Dumbledore Vs. Gandalf

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

An avada that he was prepared for. Let's not forget good old plot. Nor was his enemies teleporting like that fight Dumbledore had. You are just too hung up on destructive feats. A lot of you are. So what happens if he uses a cheap spell to distract Gandalf and teleport into a face shot. There wasn't that type of combat going on in lotr. Just spells and power shots.

I never said anything about destruction. Dumble simply can't kill Gandalf because he can't land the hit. I don't think a flash will distract a demi long enough for dumble to get into "sure-hit" range and not instantly die himself before he can say the 6 syllables he needs to make it work.

[shinigan no sora]

DL you seriously underestimate olorin(gandalf's original/true name) and the maiar in general.

The maiar are comparable to biblical angels and in fact there many parralells between. The hiearchy and stories of the maiar and biblical angels

Full powered lesser maiar are clearly island busters and for example sauron tanked having a very large island dropped on him

And FYI the OP did state that there are no power restrictions so both are allowed their strongest form which means dumbledor gets HARD

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Who tanked a killing shot in HP? Only two people tanked that shot. Both was due to some obscure plot nonsense. In truth avada is a childish concept for a spell. But the spell left little room for error when defending against it.

Again, the spell is subject to feats same as anything else. The fact that anything at all in the HP verse has survived it tells me that it's not killing him, so show me the spell killing something as powerful as Gandalf........but I know you can't do that since I've read both series myself and know that such a feat doesn't exist.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Who tanked a killing shot in HP? Only two people tanked that shot. Both was due to some obscure plot nonsense. In truth avada is a childish concept for a spell. But the spell left little room for error when defending against it.

IIRC Dragons and other powerful magical entities are stated to be flat out immune to it

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

Again, the spell is subject to feats same as anything else. The fact that anything at all in the HP verse has survived it tells me that it's not killing him, so show me the spell killing something as powerful as Gandalf........but I know you can't do that since I've read both series myself and know that such a feat doesn't exist.

Lol how about no Gandalf and the mair fought in mortal battles. Like it matters he is a demigod in lotr he still needs the feats to tank.such magical attacks. Tell that story to the half a dozen fictional human wizard.that fight higher beings.

Originally Posted by shinigan no sora

DL you seriously underestimate olorin(gandalf's original/true name) and the maiar in general.

The maiar are comparable to biblical angels and in fact there many parralells between. The hiearchy and stories of the maiar and biblical angels

Full powered lesser maiar are clearly island busters and for example sauron tanked having a very large island dropped on him

And FYI the OP did state that there are no power restrictions so both are allowed their strongest form which means dumbledor gets HARD

They still get killed and since when does being a demo god matter. He still needs the abilities and reaction to counter. Which I still haven't gotten a clear answer on just general abilities of the Mair.

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I never said anything about destruction. Dumble simply can't kill Gandalf because he can't land the hit. I don't think a flash will distract a demi long enough for dumble to get into "sure-hit" range and not instantly die himself before he can say the 6 syllables he needs to make it work.

So where is the speed and precog Comming from for Gandalf. Not only that you are just thinking of a simple flash when.dumble can do way more.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I would love to know why Gandalf is being harmed by someone he can just kill by looking at him too hard?

or why any one is insane enough to think Albus stands any chance against him as Olorin?

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Lol how about no Gandalf and the mair fought in mortal battles. Like it matters he is a demigod in lotr he still needs the feats to tank.such magical attacks. Tell that story to the half a dozen fictional human wizard.that fight higher beings.

No see, that's not the way this works......IWD has listed many feats that consistently put Gandalf above the HP verse in terms of magic. Now you're claiming that despite that difference in magical powers, the spell will still work even though it has no feats of killing someone with that much power. You're making the claim that it can kill Gandalf despite the feats presented, so you get to back that claim up with feats of avada kedavra killing something that powerful. But the truth is, it hasn't killed someone with that much power, so it can't just be assumed that it would. And I will once again remind you that Gandalf has magic barriers to block even if they aren't necessary.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

it can't even kill HP Dragons from what I remember

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

No see, that's not the way this works......IWD has listed many feats that consistently put Gandalf above the HP verse in terms of magic. Now you're claiming that despite that difference in magical powers, the spell will still work even though it has no feats of killing someone with that much power. You're making the claim that it can kill Gandalf despite the feats presented, so you get to back that claim up with feats of avada kedavra killing something that powerful. But the truth is, it hasn't killed someone with that much power, so it can't just be assumed that it would. And I will once again remind you that Gandalf has magic barriers to block even if they aren't necessary.

Lol you are pretty confused. You are steadly avoiding the simple answer that could end my
arguement when has Gandalf tanked a spell designed to specifically take life. Its that simple but you haven't brought up a single feat supporting such a claim. All this back and forth is boring and you arguement really.doesn't matter until you bring actual evidence. Not just saying he can.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

it can't even kill HP Dragons from what I remember

One don't ever.remember a dragon being hit with the spell. Two.dragons in fiction period has been known for their high tolerance.against magic. Some are out right immune. Third Gandalf is not an HP dragon. What is his endurance when it comes to these type of attacks?

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Lol you are pretty confused. You are steadly avoiding the simple answer that could end my
arguement when has Gandalf tanked a spell designed to specifically take life. Its that simple but you haven't brought up a single feat supporting such a claim. All this back and forth is boring and you arguement really.doesn't matter until you bring actual evidence. Not just saying he can.

You're entire argument is based on the premise that the spell can kill anything that hasn't survived being hit by it or something that's basically the same. That is an illogical premise. The spell can't be assumed to kill anything more powerful than what it's been shown killing otherwise you're just using nlf. Gandalf is more powerful than anything it's killed before, therefore, it won't kill him. He doesn't need a feat specifically against that attack when his feats already put him above anything that attack has hurt.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

You're entire argument is based on the premise that the spell can kill anything that hasn't survived being hit by it or something that's basically the same. That is an illogical premise. The spell can't be assumed to kill anything more powerful than something it's been shown killing otherwise you're just using nlf. Gandalf is more powerful than anything it's killed before, therefore, it won't kill him. He doesn't need a feat specifically against that attack when his feats already put him above anything that attack has hurt.

No I assume the spell.can anything that can be mortally wounded. Which is gandalf and all his forms. He is not a god he is not immune to magic. So you have to show him tanking such an attack.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

No I assume the spell.can anything that can be mortally wounded. Which is gandalf and all his forms. He is not a god he is not immune to magic. So you have to show him tanking such an attack.

I'm still waiting on this amazing feat that somehow a guy who fights armies is going to be caught off guard by a wizard.

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

No I assume the spell.can anything that can be mortally wounded. Which is gandalf and all his forms. He is not a god he is not immune to magic. So you have to show him tanking such an attack.

I believe most anything besides omnipotents can be mortally wounded, so I'm not sure how that logic works unless you want to say that Dumbledore can kill anything less than a true omnipotent as long as they stand still for him. And you've said yourself that the attack isn't about destruction, so there's really nothing to tank......either it works or it doesn't. But it has no feats to suggest it'd work on him.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I'm still waiting on this amazing feat that somehow a guy who fights armies is going to be caught off guard by a wizard.

My point is simple Albus is a teleporter. Albus knows pretty.much every spell in HP. Which ranges from mind wiping to killing to transmutation. When has Gandalf faced an individual with such a diverse set of abilities. The answer is he hasn't . I am nog saying either side will win. But where does this confidence come from stating that he would win casually. Lotr doesn't even have such fights as this. Just beings with relatively the same abilities.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

My point is simple Albus is a teleporter. Albus knows pretty.much every spell in HP. Which ranges from mind wiping to killing to transmutation. When has Gandalf faced an individual with such a diverse set of abilities. The answer is he hasn't . I am nog saying either side will win. But where does this confidence come from stating that he would win casually. Lotr doesn't even have such fights as this. Just beings with relatively the dame abilities.

Shield of Isatri should give him enough time to knock his staff down and D. blast Dumbledore. Plus I dont think he is in character to Adava right off the bat...

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

I believe most anything besides omnipotents can be mortally wounded, so I'm not sure how that logic works unless you want to say that Dumbledore can kill anything less than a true omnipotent as long as they stand still for him. And you've said yourself that the attack isn't about destruction, so there's really nothing to tank......either it works or it doesn't. But it has no feats to suggest it'd work on him.

So you are still dodging the answer. When has Gandalf tanked that type of spell. Its that simple bro. He still follows the rules of death to a certain extent. Untill you prove otherwise your arguement is hollow.

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

So you are still dodging the answer. When has Gandalf tanked that type of spell. Its that simple bro. He still follows the rules of death to a certain extent. Untill you prove otherwise your arguement is hollow.

No, you're actually the one trying to dodge here. I'm not sure what part of "Gandalf is more powerful than anything that spell has been shown to affect" you don't get. Again, unless you want to claim that the spell can kill anything that isn't a true omnipotent then it has to follow the same rules of feats like everything else, which means we can only assume it can kill things as powerful as what it's been shown to kill, which is a category that Gandalf doesn't fall under. Saying it can kill things more powerful than it's been shown to is just nlf.

[Frost ninja]

I dont have to answer it because Dumble won't be landing it before Gandalf taps his stick. I need some proof that dumble breaks character and then somehow has something more powerful than sauron's blast.

A killing strike is only effective if it hits. Proof me the shield can't block it.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Shield of Isatri should give him enough time to knock his staff down and D. blast Dumbledore. Plus I dont think he is in character to Adava right off the bat...

See this is the type of answer I am looking for actual abilities not hype. So how would he fair against getting his mind wiped?

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

See this is the type of answer I am looking for actual abilities not hype.

Nobody's hyping Gandalf; IWD listed his feats, and I explained how that puts him out of avada kedavra's killing ability. Plus, it's also already been said that he has barriers, so it's not exactly new information.

So how would he fair against getting his mind wiped?

Does it matter to this fight? Dumbledore dies before he can pull off the spell, and it'd be blocked by a barrier anyways. But I seem to recall him having telepathic abilities, but I'm not rereading the series to find them.