Spoiler Looking back, Itachi Twist is Incredibly Lame

[Master Splinter]

Itachi : Im' your daddy !

/ master splinter kisses Itachi's ass

[Maruko]

He's just using his advantage of being immortal.
If he wasn't, the fight would have been completely different.

C'mon, Sasuke used 3 friends against Bee and he still got knocked the f out!
Itachi > Sasuke

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Kabuto is just in the perfect environment and perfect place. Itachi outsmarts him, since he knows he's a zombie, he's not really afraid of dying because he knows he'll regenerate.

Itachi is better, definetely.

[Kreegah!!!]

Itachi has been dumbed down in order to empower him. Why, I ask?

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

Kabuto is just in the perfect environment and perfect place. Itachi outsmarts him, since he knows he's a zombie, he's not really afraid of dying because he knows he'll regenerate.

Itachi is better, definetely.

Except the fact Itachi has no defense when he killed for seconds, AND he has no defense against Kabuto while he is rebuilding.


Fact: Kabuto sliced Itachi in half

Fact: Itachi could do nothing about it

Fact: Itachi could not stop Kabuto from taking over his mind

Fact: Itachi failure
You can come up with any excuses and justifications, but clearly Itachi was in way over his head.

The only one to praise here is Sasuke surprisingly enough. And Itachi tried to prevent Sasuke from fighting with him. His strategy is on the order of Sakura failure.

Sakura: " I am going defeat Sasuke"

Itachi: "I am going to beat Kabuto."

Sakura:" I better make sure I get rid of anyone that tries to help me."

Itachi: "Stay here Sasuke."

Sakura: "Oh no I can't do it. ;~;"

Itachi" OSHIT I am cut in half."

Sakura: "Naruto!"

Itachi" SASUKE!"

Naruto saves the day

Sasuke saves the day
The parallels here are so good.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

In related news, water is wet.

A man of reason.

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

We'll Kabuto IS Itachi's dog at the moment.

Continually deal with it - the Izanami way !

The chapter shouts:

"whos your daddy Kabuto ?"

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

Itachi : Im' your daddy !

/ master splinter kisses Itachi's ass

I think I jusst did.

[Maruko]

Itachi didn't even try to dodge/avoid/counter Kabuto's attacks, he knows that he cannot die.

Even if you hate Itachi, you must admit that he is by far the smartest character in Naruto.

[Wooster]

Yes, and that false arrogance almost allowed Kabuto to put Itachi back under control. Because when Itachi is attacked he can't do crap.

Sasuke saved his bacon; the same Sasuke Itachi tried to prevent from following him. Itachi's battle plan was attrocious. He is a moron.

The smartest character in Naruto is Danzo by far.

[Maruko]

Well, I guess you never know what's really going on when Itachi is the subject.

Like he said: ''People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts… their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?''

I never know what he's really up to.

[Wooster]

Probably smoking pot with Nietzsche.

[paradigm1977]

I believe Izanami is actually a three step process. I' ll go into story details later.

1. recording- Recorded actions are individual "events," or actions that Itachi told Kabuto he had control over. (How Kabuto reacts during the fight is his decision).

2. Casting/activation- right before Itachi was cut in two. He did cast in time (and BTW, he was cut in two on purpose - not by his mistake). This is stand-by mode. Izanami/fate now waits for an "event" to occur that matches an "event" in the recording.

3. Effect- The common/trigger "event" occurs a second time in real life. The loop is now closed. The recording starts playing what happened after the event first occurred...in the victims mind. And the caster's eye is sealed.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Yes, and that false arrogance almost allowed Kabuto to put Itachi back under control. Because when Itachi is attacked he can't do crap.

Sasuke saved his bacon; the same Sasuke Itachi tried to prevent from following him. Itachi's battle plan was attrocious. He is a moron.

The smartest character in Naruto is Danzo by far.

Itachi by far.

You saw exactly what Kabuto saw. You both saw Itachi's moves and thought there was no way Itachi should win. But Kichi gave you clues within the pages to read and Itachi gave Kabuto a riddle...though that was just to annoy kabuto after he realized how he lost.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

I believe Izanami is actually a three step process. I' ll go into story details later.

1. recording- Recorded actions are individual "events," or actions that Itachi told Kabuto he had control over. (How Kabuto reacts during the fight is his decision).

2. Casting/activation- right before Itachi was cut in two. He did cast in time (and BTW, he was cut in two on purpose - not by his mistake). This is stand-by mode. Izanami/fate now waits for an "event" to occur that matches an "event" in the recording.

3. Effect- The common/trigger "event" occurs a second time in real life. The loop is now closed. The recording starts playing what happened after the event first occurred...in the victims mind. And the caster's eye is sealed.

2 is wrong. The cast was when his eye changed.
Meaning Itachi was screwed when Kabuto cut him in two.

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Itachi by far.

You saw exactly what Kabuto saw. You both saw Itachi's moves and thought there was no way Itachi should win. But Kichi gave you clues within the pages to read and Itachi gave Kabuto a riddle...though that was just to annoy kabuto after he realized how he lost.

Itachii. Yes. Explain to me the part where he told Sasuke to hate more.

Ohh, and the part where he had this fail safe plan for Naruto that he just threw away. Oh, wait the part where he killed everyone in his clan but his brother. Or maybe the part where he just did Akatsuki's bidding.

[Rasen_Chidori]

You know, it's pretty much impossible to argue this Itachi certainly allowed the fact that he is immortal to cloud his judgement and it was certainly almost his undoing. And it's undeniable that Kabuto's speed and sharpness >>>> Itachi's reaction speed at the very least.

Only thing I can really say is that "pathetic" might be a little harsh, he is still a strong fighter and for the most part his actual battle tactics are fine, but he does seem to have a bit of an issue with his plans in that they don't seem to be overly logical, this also applies for his plan for Sasuke.

It probably wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact Kishi keeps trying to make him out to be a genius of the highest level

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Wooster

2 is wrong. The cast was when his eye changed.
Meaning Itachi was screwed when Kabuto cut him in two.

Itachii. Yes. Explain to me the part where he told Sasuke to hate more.

Ohh, and the part where he had this fail safe plan for Naruto that he just threw away. Oh, wait the part where he killed everyone in his clan but his brother. Or maybe the part where he just did Akatsuki's bidding.

No that wasn't the cast. That was when the parameters were met.

If you cast a spell or (Naruto) jutsu that is a trap, is it cast when if goes off? no. it goes off when it goes off, after you cast it. Same thing.

Though neither argument is definitive, the fact that Itachi has to prep a time loop before locking someone into it makes my argument the more likely.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Rasen_Chidori

You know, it's pretty much impossible to argue this Itachi certainly allowed the fact that he is immortal to cloud his judgement and it was certainly almost his undoing. And it's undeniable that Kabuto's speed and sharpness >>>> Itachi's reaction speed at the very least.

Only thing I can really say is that "pathetic" might be a little harsh, he is still a strong fighter and for the most part his actual battle tactics are fine, but he does seem to have a bit of an issue with his plans in that they don't seem to be overly logical, this also applies for his plan for Sasuke.

It probably wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact Kishi keeps trying to make him out to be a genius of the highest level

If his goal was for Kabuto to release the jutsu his plan is highly suspect.
Itachi wanted to prevent Sauske from joining the battle.

In that case, his entire thought processes rots because that not only would led to Kabuto not releasing the jutsu, but putting Itachi back under his control.

And as my other thread has already states, Kabuto is an idiot or at least Kiashi made Kabuto an idiot here. So, I don't know what that makes Itachi.

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

No that wasn't the cast. That was when the parameters were met.

If you cast a spell or (Naruto) jutsu that is a trap, is it cast when if goes off? no. it goes off when it goes off, after you cast it. Same thing.

Though neither argument is definitive, the fact that Itachi has to prep a time loop before locking someone into it makes my argument the more likely.

I still doubt it. Kabuto cut Itachi in twain with the chakra blade. The sword seems to have more to do with it, and Kabuto didn't put Sasuke's sword in his hand until riight before Itachi's eye changed.
If the trap is set as you say, it still obviously took a long time to close after that.

In any case, I think if Kabuto regain control over Itachi the jutsu would have no affect as Kabuto would just have Itachi not complete the casting of it or closing of the trap.

[Maruko]

So, Itachi's is a mage, warlock, wizard? He's ''casting'' jutsus.

I've always thought of him as a warlock, castin' illusions and fear, but he does act a bit like a ninja.

[Jakropha]

So, in a perfect plot, Itachi would have been prepared for those seal tags?

Bad writing on Kishi's part, going out of Itachi's character and having him make a 'mistake'.

[Wooster]

Or at least be bale to defend himself. Or bring fodder along to defend himself.
As said, Itachi's plan was the equivalent of Sakura' plan. Neither had any chance of success as drawn out by either of them.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Or at least be bale to defend himself. Or bring fodder along to defend himself.
As said, Itachi's plan was the equivalent of Sakura' plan. Neither had any chance of success as drawn out by either of them.

OK the thread is ready for you Itachi/Kishi doubters.