Abortion: Moral or Immoral?

[Blind Uchiha]

Yes, I know this debate is ancient, overdone, and stale, but I am curious as to the forums general opinion on it.

Any stage in pregnancy is fair game. Debate.

[NBT]

Don't want the baby,that's your business.

[Lone_Espada]

^That.
Sometime it's the only thing you can do.

[Kunoichi]

here's a question, do you think the father of said possible abortion should have a say in whether or not a fetus is terminated?

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Blind Uchiha

Yes, I know this debate is ancient, overdone, and stale, but I am curious as to the forums general opinion on it.

Any stage in pregnancy is fair game. Debate.

If they don't want it, or it's better off not being born, then it's whatever. Morals are constantly shifting, building, deluding, collapsing, I'm not going to weigh myself down with tiresome ideals that don't even have any solid ground.

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

here's a question, do you think the father of said possible abortion should have a say in whether or not a fetus is terminated?

Yes. We helped make it, we deserve a valid say in its existence, whether for its destruction or survival.

[Kunoichi]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

Yes. We helped make it, we deserve a a valid say in it's existence, whether for it's destruction or survival.

Ok, but to what extent?

[Lone_Espada]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

here's a question, do you think the father of said possible abortion should have a say in whether or not a fetus is terminated?

Hers's a question, do you think it's fair being sixteen and pregnant? How would you feel if that was you? In some cases you just have to make a choice.

[Kunoichi]

Originally Posted by Lone_Espada

Hers's a question, do you think it's fair being sixteen and pregnant? How would you feel if that was you? In some cases you just have to make a choice.

I think fair has nothing to do with being pregnant. Unless you were raped it was your own personal choice, regardless of what age you are.

How would I feel if i were 16 and pregnant? I suppose I'd feel like an idiot, probably humiliated and shameful.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

Ok, but to what extent?

Circumstantial.

[Kunoichi]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

Circumstantial.

Well give me an example, or a few, I wanna hear your thoughts vorn.

[HokageSoulReaper]

It actually depends not only of the situation and/or the beliefs of the female.....BUT, to each their own, if a female is hellbent on aborting, let her

and besides, the creature doesn't have the fault, but if a female is raped, and she can't bear it, she indeed better abort, than having the kid and ending up abusing it since it reminds her of the rapist

In the end, though, that's the decision of the female and/or the couple, and if she's a minor, her parents

[Kreegah!!!]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

Morals are constantly shifting, building, deluding, collapsing...



Yes. We helped make it, we deserve a valid say in its existence, whether for its destruction or survival.

Morals "change" because people in power want to do their evil and get away with it--usually tacking on new ridiculous biases as they go.

If you don't want the baby, use your hatred to miscarry. Works. Or here's a hangar.

Rape is a different matter.

Father should have some say--just as he should have some responsibility if the child lives. Our parenting should not mimic spiders.

If you're young and pregnant, and you were willing, then you should have to pay for your foolishness, again with the father included. Know what you have to deal with on delivery day? Crapping your sheets; pushing out a blood-soaked, mucous-covered, smelly fleshball that may tear your vaginal lining because modern medical practice has you in the absolute worst position to deliver a baby; and having something latched to your tits for the better part of the day while you think on all your upcoming financial troubles. Suitable punishment indeed.

Or you could send your baby to an orphanage so it can labor under the assumption that its parents are dead instead of unwilling/unable to rear it (as would happen if left for adoption)--he may even get adopted instead of spending his childhood in foster care!

Or you could take some pills to neutralize the leech.

After-birth abortions are OK on a per-basis only approach. Hitler was aborted righteously, for instance.


Or I could wait until I'm in better straits and post something relevant, but I think I'll stick by this.

[tsuki]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

here's a question, do you think the father of said possible abortion should have a say in whether or not a fetus is terminated?

Nope. He can certainly offer advice and support (unless he is a rapist) but ultimately it is up to the female.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

Well give me an example, or a few, I wanna hear your thoughts vorn.

Too much work to think of scenarios. :P

[KimikoUchiha]

i think it should be up to the mother, it could be a danger to the health of the baby and/or the woman. and even if it was mad illegal people would still do abortions on thier own making it even more dangerous

[sasori2701]

Situational.

[Blind Uchiha]

Hmm, no true pro-lifers here. Intriguing.

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

here's a question, do you think the father of said possible abortion should have a say in whether or not a fetus is terminated?

It's outright hypocrisy to deny the father any say. Birth control is not one hundred percent effective. If a man were to take every precaution necessary (short of making the woman undergo an abortion) to avoid conception and the woman still had a child, the father would be required to support the unwanted child. Why should the woman be the only one to have a say?

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Blind Uchiha

It's outright hypocrisy to deny the father any say. Birth control is not one hundred percent effective. If a man were to take every precaution necessary (short of making the woman undergo an abortion) to avoid conception and the woman still had a child, the father would be required to support the unwanted child. Why should the woman be the only one to have a say?

Because the woman houses the child, obviously. It takes its toll mentally and physically on them, therefore they get the say so in its life while it is within them.

I hope no female that thinks that is a stay at home mom with a working partner that pays for their house, otherwise the irony of that line of thinking might pop their head off were someone to inform them of it.

[Shikamaru Nara]

To each their own.

And just for the record, anyone who's sixteen and pregnant is obviously not ready to handle a baby unless the rubbers broke (she should also be on the pill anyway) or she was raped.

Here's another question:

Is abortion killing a baby?

[Maruko]

Immoral.
It's basically murder, those doctors who do it are shallow and twisted persons.