Haku vs Mei

[MinatoXNaruto]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

That was a genin Sasuke. Not impressive at all. Mei was able to battle against Sasuke, and even though he was exhausted, he was still faster than when he was a genin. So are you saying that Mei can't react to a genin Sasuke?

[Leewannabe]

Even though Haku is talented and fast, he dont have a chance against a kage , sorry sam...

[Kioroshi.]

Haku got beat BY chakra boost naruto.And kuro said she is fast as sasuke.Its true but PTS SASUKE!

[Uchiha Sora]

Everyone keeps saying he got beat by Kn0 naruto. It's not like they had a full on fight where haku was getting blitzed. Haki was blitzing past, naruto caught him and broke his arm, then punched him through the mirrors. that's all. Not to mention haku was getting overwhelmed by the surging kyuubi chakra

[Frost ninja]

To be fair, Mei's acid should do fine to take care of anything...
Like just acid cloud from the get go. Auto-win since Haku's only other chance is his senbon which PTS sasuke reacted to well enough to block them all despite being nabbed in quite a few pressure points in all of his limbs.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Haku got beat BY chakra boost naruto.And kuro said she is fast as sasuke.Its true but PTS SASUKE!

Haku is a boy moron.

[Uchiha Sora]

That may not work that well since they aren't in an enclosed area

[Frost ninja]

Maybe not, but then if Haku goes into mirrors like he did in his only real fight (Can we call it OOC?) Then he would unknowingly zip into some poison mist. It still clouds and has to disappate outwards, and since I don't see Haku's mirrors being better than susanoo I'd say letting some mist would do the job.

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by NBT

Haku is a boy moron.

Don't get me started idiot...


I always thought he/she was a girl I found it hard to think that zabuza is pedo....

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by MinatoXNaruto

That was a genin Sasuke. Not impressive at all. Mei was able to battle against Sasuke, and even though he was exhausted, he was still faster than when he was a genin. So are you saying that Mei can't react to a genin Sasuke?

I don't believe I ever expressed that Mei would lose, I was just stating how ridiculous that guy is.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts, bar references to databooks, which aren't taken seriously here considering Kishi's horrible judgement of strength and how he rates them.

If Kishi actually had any form of just thinking in terms of stats, a couple things wouldn't have happened. One, Tsunade wouldn't have been a Hokage, since the Hokage is the strongest Ninja in the village, unless this somehow changed since I last read the manga. I can name countless people who are stronger than Tsunade in the Leaf Village.

As for your debate:



Since you're using databooks as the base of your argument, it's clear that you value Kishi's stats and his opinion.

What was written in the manga is that "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me."

Clearly, if you take the databook's stats and use them in your debate, you should also include all dialogue and drawn proof of whatever statements you've made. Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.



Now, since you have taken the databook into account, and you are using it in order to prove that Mei > Haku, we must automatically assume the position of saying that Haku is in fact lightspeed.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

Again, no problem with that, but you are inconsistent, because you claim that Haku's stats are his stats and that his abilities are set in stone based on those stats, but you then turn around and say that the stats are wrong because Haku isn't lightspeed?

How could you possibly base that argument off anything if you're contradicting yourself? You can't.



Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.


Mei is probably strong enough to take out Haku with just Taijutsu, huh? I think I'm beginning to see some sort of wanking here, in you. Mei hasn't displayed Taijutsu (since I last read at the beginning of the war) feats ever, yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

Flesh off of bone? I can do that with my stove if I wanted to.

You have to understand that it's not pure ice, there's also chakra in it, therefore it won't be melted because it's reinforced with a difference substance that ups its resistance to fire.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.

WOW GUYS I'M GOING TO PROVE I'M PSYCHIC, ARE YOU READY, THIS IS JUST A RANDOM GUESS HERE...ARE...YOU...CULT OF PERSONALITY??? What happened did you get banned? This is hilarious same style of argument, same word choice, same ad hominem attacks, same sweeping generalizations...either you have a twin brother or you can't access your other account for some reason.

1.) No factual evidence, oh so my points about Zero Tails Naruto catching Haku, the feats of genin Sasuke's fire vs. Mei's lava and Sasori's flamethrower all of those things weren't points in my favor, just stop.

2.) Databooks weren't the "base" of my argument they were supplementary, I formed an argument and added on information.

3.) Hokage isn't based on pure strength it's based on the best fit for leader of the village. I've explained in plenty posts why Tsunade was the best suited to become Hokage in part 1 behind Jiraiya. First of all the village wasn't in a time of war they needed to rebuild. As soon as Tsunade arrived she healed Kakashi, Sasuke, and Lee those are things no other shinobi could do. She instantly made the village a better place. Tsunade also has more experience than all the other shinobi in the village. Tsunade is extremely intelligent. Besides all the things I just mentioned she is strong the only people in the village she would probably lose to were Danzo and Gai, I doubt Part 1 Kakashi would be able to beat her due to his lack of MS and stamina.

4.) I was just using the databook to add to my point that Haku was only genin level and Kishi understood this. I don't have to automatically assume everything Kishi says is pure gold, especially if one of those things would completely destroy any sort of character scaling in the show. If you accept Haku is light speed than you must accept 0 tails Naruto is also faster than light speed and Sasuke's sharingan can keep up with this speed and his fire techniques are also that fast. That would mean that genin Lee with his weights on his faster than light since Sasuke couldn't see him, and so is Kimimaro which would mean part 1 Gaara's sand is also faster than light since it caught CS2 Kimimaro and so on...I don't have to accept a premise if it renders every other aspect of the manga illogical.

5.) LOL Haku is as fast as genin Sasuke without the mirrors do you want to see how low that puts him on the totem pole, that's not some amazing feat my friend...

Haku=Genin Sasuke <<<Weighted Lee <<<< 0 Tails Naruto <<<Neji <<< Lee w/o Weights <<< Kakashi < Gai

Oh yeah there's also a panel of Haku going at "faster than light" speed to try and attack Kakashi and getting two Konoha whirlwinds to the face from Base Lee and Base Gai. Just stop it here.

Mei's only taijutsu feat was kicking Black Zetsu in the stomach and sending him flying I was just making an assumption by the fact that all the Kages (except Gaara) have shown proficiency and taijutsu and the manga hints the same is true for Mei.

6.) You can melt flesh off bone with your stove, that's strange since it takes a long period of cremation at heats higher than your stove can reach to accomplish that feat, and Sasuke after hitting Naruto directly in the face with his fire only left Naruto with a few burns. Haku said his ice couldn't be melted with fire of "that level" which was referring to genin Sasuke's weak attacks not powerful KKG like lava release which also have chakra flowing through them and earth element to make it stronger and like I said earlier can melt flesh from bone.

[Lone_Espada]

Shika isn't Cult. Shika is a mod over the BG, they wouldn't let Cult be a mod.

[Cult of Personality]

He thought Shika was me?


Anyway, Mei annihilates.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Lone_Espada

Shika isn't Cult. Shika is a mod over the BG, they wouldn't let Cult be a mod.

Wow, I wonder if they are friends...I thought the "debates with style" and "debates with panache" thing were too similar for them not to be the same person...oh well...they debate the same: condescending, pseudointellectual, creepy obsession with some form of the word "wank," and all the other things I mentioned in my previous post...oh well I eagerly await his response

[Uchiha Sora]

Shika and Cult have the same style? lolwut Shika never actually debates like that

And wank is an official term in the BG rules iirc

[Shikamaru Nara]

Well I can't give you a full response until I get onto a computer, although I doubt I will have to, allow me to elaborate on things:

We have a number of people who have access to the council who play a role in our system of running things but don't have any sort of power.

Secondly, it is now within the rules to call somebody out for being stupid, which you are, by comparing the character to a data book.

Thirdly, you are not psychic -- just delusional. Unfortunately, you have become more of an idiot by accusing me of using an alt to support my argument. Said alt then disagreed with me after. Cult and I are very different people.

So now that you are educated, I will follow with this:

In no way, shape, or form did I state that Mei would lose. The sole purpose of my debate was to call you out on a bad post. See ya later.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora

Shika and Cult have the same style? lolwut Shika never actually debates like that

And wank is an official term in the BG rules iirc

Apparently he does debate this way considering his response to mine was exactly like Cult's are.

Well I can't give you a full response until I get onto a computer, although I doubt I will have to, allow me to elaborate on things:

We have a number of people who have access to the council who play a role in our system of running things but don't have any sort of power.

Secondly, it is now within the rules to call somebody out for being stupid, which you are, by comparing the character to a data book.

Thirdly, you are not psychic -- just delusional. Unfortunately, you have become more of an idiot by accusing me of using an alt to support my argument. Said alt then disagreed with me after. Cult and I are very different people.

So now that you are educated, I will follow with this:

In no way, shape, or form did I state that Mei would lose. The sole purpose of my debate was to call you out on a bad post. See ya later.

@Shika It wasn't a bad post, already explained to you why. Never brought up your intelligence because I like letting you make a fool of yourself, it makes it even more humorous when you try to call me stupid. I already answered all the things you "called me out" on in my last post. I accused you of being an alt because you were debating like the alt I accused you of being and I went on to list the qualities you two shared in a previous post. Try reading my posts and putting that brain of yours to work so you can understand them.

[Uchiha Sora]

Shika out of the BGs is extra chill lol

[Sagepain]

Cult and Shikamaru debate way differently, I see no similarities between them at all.

Big difference between the 2..........Cult never admits he wrong because he thinks he's always right.

Shikamaru on the other hand actually admits when he's wrong, well that or he never responds. *Looks back at old threads*

[JLI2infinity]

Ok I don't know Shika and Cult all that well I have debated each of them once and this is why I thought they were the same personn since everyone seems to think my statement was outlandish here are the similarities I saw between the two with my limited exposure...

The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts

Immediately begins with this broad generalization about ALL my posts. I've never debated this guy once so I don't know why he would speak with such certainty unless he'd debated me before. This is similar to the way Cult spoke in the forum about Shikamaru vs. Neji if you want to see the argument there where I received an infraction just take a look at the thread.

Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.

Making huge assumptions and faulty premises with no basis is a horrendous method of arguing. I already addressed why these things were wrong in my last post but this is why I thought he was Cult again because of the terrible logic here.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

I didn't know wank was such a common word, apparently it is but since the only person I'd seen use it before was Cult again I made a bad assumption. Oh yeah I also ripped this bad logic to pieces in my last post.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.

I never even talked to this kid before yet he was trolling me, that seems like someone who already disliked me, once again leading me to the conclusion that this was Cult.

BUT In retrospect the name Shikamaru should've given it away since Cult has the annoying habit of flexing is third grade brain to insult that character with the name "Suckamaru." That was the dead give away along with the Rep power but since I haven't been on this site for long I didn't know to look at that.