Was George Zimmerman Justifed?

[Wooster]

Media is smart, dontcha know.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Media is smart, dontcha know.

True they are.

Though not in a very honest way.


Media=propaganda.

And this goes for BOTH sides of the aisle.

[Wooster]

I don't know what you are talking about. I am sure NBC had a very good reason to edit out that 911 operator asking what Martin's race was.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

I don't know what you are talking about. I am sure NBC had a very good reason to edit out that 911 operator asking what Martin's race was.

Good in what sense...morally speaking or skill?

[Wooster]

Skill I think. Probably started the whole mess.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Skill I think. Probably started the whole mess.

The media shot Trayvon and punched Zimmerman?

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Zimmerman was invistigating someone who appeared suspicious, which was his duty as captain of the neighborhood watch He was only told he did not have to keep track of him by the police not that he shouldn't.

He then lost track of Martin. Martin approached him from behind and decked him by his car. Then Martin proceeded to straddle Zimmerman and beat his head into the ground, verified by a witness by the way and Zimmerman's physical condition afterwards. After Zmmerman screamed for help and no one came. He then shot this 17-year 6'2" man that was beating the crap out of him.

Please tell me what he did wrong.

I don't care if his face was getting pulverized and he was going to get a concussion, the fact is that he pulled out a gun and shot a teen, after putting himself in that situation. He should not have followed that kid, and he should not have been armed.

THAT'S what he did wrong.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by ItachiAnbu

I don't care if his face was getting pulverized and he was going to get a concussion, the fact is that he pulled out a gun and shot a teen, after putting himself in that situation. He should not have followed that kid, and he should not have been armed.

THAT'S what he did wrong.

I don't know why he followed Trayvon and perhaps he was not justified there but I disagree that he shouldn't be armed. Trayvon COULD have killed him. I say it would be self defense if not for the fact Zimmerman was the one following Trayvon. That just seemed to be asking for trouble.

But I wasn't there so I don't know.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

The media shot Trayvon and punched Zimmerman?

Bombshell!!!!

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by ItachiAnbu

I don't care if his face was getting pulverized and he was going to get a concussion,

That's nice..you don't value your own life how fortunate for whoever tries to rob you

Originally Posted by ItachiAnbu

the fact is that he pulled out a gun and shot a teen, after putting himself in that situation. He should not have followed that kid, and he should not have been armed.

THAT'S what he did wrong.

No he should not have followed the kid...that does not change we still don't know the entire story and his recent arrest was entirely political

[Wooster]

Apparently, the entire case rest on the voice being Martin's. Also some clap trap about Zimmerman not being told to follow, but any half decent lawyer will have that thrown out.

Which means, if the mother says one thing and acquaintances of Zimmerman say another, the whole case will be laughed out of court.

I can only assume they charged 2nd degree murder to get a plea bargain for manslaughter? Nothing else really makes sense.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Yeah I'll laugh if he gets sent to jail for the rest of his life

but Casey Anthony is still at large

[MinatoXNaruto]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

my issue with this case is how badly this has been handled and the hypocrisy of covering this with such fury and righteous indignation when this happens EVERY OTHER GOD DAMN MINUTE IN THE GHETTO.

Now that's just stereotyping. That's plain wrong. How do you know this happens every minute in the ghetto? Do you live somewhere that's considered ghetto? Is there an actual calculation for this?

[MinatoXNaruto]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Yeah I'll laugh if he gets sent to jail for the rest of his life

but Casey Anthony is still at large

She should've been jailed. It's just the prosecutors failed to bring a strong argument and didn't answer enough questions, I guess

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by MinatoXNaruto

Now that's just stereotyping. That's plain wrong. How do you know this happens every minute in the ghetto? Do you live somewhere that's considered ghetto? Is there an actual calculation for this?

..are you kidding me? That's stereotyping? There be all sorts of people in Ghetto's whites too..no you can accuse me of being classicist maybe (you'd still be full of crap) but being a bigot" noooo

Originally Posted by MinatoXNaruto

She should've been jailed. It's just the prosecutors failed to bring a strong argument and didn't answer enough questions, I guess

The prosecutor did just fine...The jury was full of retards

[JLI2infinity]

Well this case was interesting and a little close to home for me. As a black teenager who lives in Florida the fear that this tragedy could befall me was a little shocking, it was a media storm I couldn't really be numb to even if I tried. I understand that identifying my race I already made myself appear biased but so be it. I am also the son of two police officers so I do have an above average understanding of how the situation should've been handled and how the respective parties should've acted, I also see some key information being left out of these comments.

1) Zimmerman calls police, he had already been over zealous in his job as neighborhood watch captain calling them dozens of times in a single year he should've been relieved of his duties already but w/e hindsight is 20/20

2) On the phone Zimmerman sounds frustrated he makes it clear that he thinks Trayvon has already committed some sort of crime, saying things like "these guys always get away"

3) I don't care how you try to spin it, anyone who heard the calls can clearly tell he said " coons" before he hung up, that is why the race card cannot leave this situation this man made a racial slur.

From these three things alone we already know that Zimmerman is inclined to overreact, has already jumped to conclusions, and has some sort of prejudice against black people.

4) He is told not to follow him (it wasn't a suggestion), the dispatcher clearly stated "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman clearly engaged Trayvon putting himself at risk and thus violating the premise of the "Stand Your Ground" law people have been saying works in his favor.

5) Of course this is where the most interpretation and who's opinion is worth more arguments come in. People who heard the confrontation and made the call identified the voice of the person screaming "help" as that of a young man, I heard the tapes and also thought the same thing. Of course no one can prove any of this but one interesting thing to note is that as soon as Trayvon was shot the cries for help stopped, even if Zimmerman was shocked that he'd killed someone he could've at least continued asking for help and trying to get the attention of his neighbors but he did no such thing.

6) Police arrive on the scene, they take NO photos of Zimmerman's face (the videotapes of him arriving at the station show no signs of visible damage but again it's up for speculation), they make NO arrests, and they perform NO drug tests on Zimmerman BUT they sure remembered to test Trayvon's corpse. If there's a racial issue in here it's not just that one deranged man stereotyped a young child, it's the utter travesty of these police officers representatives of law enforcement...individual prejudice is terrible but systemic discrimination is undoubtedly more dangerous.

Anyways this case is being abused by the media but at least Zimmerman is being prosecuted now. That's my 2 cents about the whole thing, hope some people read this and do research of their own.

[Wooster]

1) There were eight bugarliers in the past few months. THe calls were not that high, as they were over several years.

2)Yes, because of the eight bugarlies.

3) Audio analysis has firmly come down on "f'ing punks" No if, and, not ,or ,buts about it.

4) It was a suggestion. Sorry try again. And pretty lear Martin confronted Zimmerman near his car i.e they confronted each other twice.

5)Shoot a gun while talking See if you stop talking. Dollars to doughnuts you will. It's kinda loud.

6) But they did of his head. See below. :3

ABC just released this:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...CP4CdBfZhpcM2K
That's one bloody head.

[Jinchiruuki]

The whole situation was orchestrated to create racial tension within the country.

Facts:

1) Trayvon is dead.


That's pretty much the only widely known fact. None of us were there to see what happened therefore we know nothing. In the first couple days of the media reporting this, CNN, Fox and others reported Zimmerman as a WHITE COP, When in fact he's hispanic and a member of the neighborhood watch, not a cop.

Think for yourselves. This entire situation was and is still being fueled by propaganda to create racial tension in this country and to divide us as a people.

[Wooster]

Sadly, that seems pretty much true.

[Cult of Personality]

If a bit of racial division is what it takes to get justice for a murdered young man, then bring on the divide.