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Old 03-18-2012, 01:50 PM   #3841
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Sasuke has never loved Sakura, there's NO PROOF either in the manga or anime, he may have indeed cared for her at one point as teammate and friend, but that's it, and even if Sasuke ends up coming back, even if Naruto himself tries to make him hook up with Sakura (due to Naruto wanting to see Sakura happy, no matter what) Sasuke just won't do it, and there's no way anyone can prove to me ''Oh Sasuke loves Sakura but has not realized it yet'', I mean, confused or not, he did tried to kill her WITHOUT HESITATION at least twice

Now, it's been said before , so I won't go into details, but even if she couldn't, Sakura did tried to go kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, that is one of MANY factors that point out she loves him as a man to a certain point. (I mean, in RL when you're willing to at least try to do what she tried to do, means something) and quite frankly, IF Sasuke were to come back, there's more real chance of SasuNaru happening than SasuSaku

Now, when Naruto posed as Sasuke? really? a prank Naurto did out of fun before he realized despite being unrequited (at the time, IMO) he actually LOVES Sakura? even I have done pranks to girls I like , for crying out loud! he had not become Sasuke's best friend at that point in time either

Now I know to each his/her own, but Sakura's feelings for Naruto reached romantic levels ever since she decided to, outta the blue, ''confess her feelings''. Remember how everyone was in shock? And yeah, at the time it was more a ruse, but trust me, Kishi wouldn't have started that complicated angle if he isn't going anywhere with it, the Hinata confession was just that, Hinata confessing, there's no sign after that that indicates Naruto looking to Hinata as more than a friend.

Again, I think NS has the highest chance of happening, followed by NH, and then SakuLee, and although I may be wrong, there one thing I can say that isn't wrong: Sakura will never be with Sasuke, either because he's doesn't love her, or what I believe will happen in the end for Sasuke to redeem himself with Naruto, he'll wound up being killed by the last villain saving Naruto, OR if Sasuke does turn to be the last villain, he'll be killed by Naruto
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:21 PM   #3842
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Okay why not?

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Yeah, he doesn't, because he never said such a thing. But how many people in his life did he thanked for something? Only her as far as I can remember. Or how many people he bonded with? Only two, Naruto and Sakura. So if Sasuke changes and decides to have any relationship, Sakura was the one that filled his lonely existence at the beginning. Not to mention she loves him to this day.
Well he also bonded with Hawk. You know, Suigetsu, Juugo....Karin. Karin in particular is the only girl who Sasuke ever respected AND the only girl Sasuke was so desperate to save. He's also still close to Itachi(in his mind at least...possibly).

Sakura helped fill his lonely existence but you can't forget the affect Kakashi and Naruto also had on Sasuke. Though it kind of sucks that Kakashi never got a proper good-bye from him until part 2 lol.

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I don't remember Sakura thinking about that part where Naruto changed into Sasuke. She never did really. If she thought about Sasuke, it was this time when he called her annoying, or said 'thank you'. Complemeting her forehead wasn't the reason she had fallen for Sasuke. Because she liked him from the time she was little, because he was popular etc. Later it developed into more mature feeling, but it was when she noticed his imperfections and love for his family. So complementing her forehead didn't hold much meaning to her.
But if she would find out that was Naruto that tricked her, I wouldn't want to be in his pants. Because seriously, he cheated on her and that was not a right thing to do.
The problem is, for all of her matured feelings she NEVER understood Sasuke himself(though to be fair neither did Naruto).

I think you mean Naruto cheated her not cheated ON her. Because that would mean they were together at that point and they kinda weren't haha. But if it really isn't that big of a deal I don't think Sakura would be mad if she found out. Naruto's safe.

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It wasn't the only nice thing 'Sasuke' did in her eyes, he thanked her and saved many times as well. She was the first person Sasuke talked with, about his life story. He praised her as well. So she has a lot of other memories beside of 'forehead complement' to base her feelings on.
I don't know about that 'thank you' because he knocked her out right afterwards and was still rejecting her feelings. I mean it was probably the best he could say at the time without provoking her. Don't get me wrong. It was nice of him, but I don't know if Sakura sees it that way(like 'Sasuke-kun was so NICE to thank me after I poured my heart and soul out to him!!').

He only saved her once in the Chunin Exams. Before then the only time Sakura was in danger was in the Zabuza arc and she was only saved by Kakashi. After that the only time she was in danger was in the Gaara fight and NARUTO saved her then.

Could you give us proof, like actual manga chapters, where we see Sasuke tell Sakura about his past? I'm a little skeptical...but I also honestly forgot.

He praised her for her genjutsu skills once yeah.

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NaruSaku is not two sided. It's one sided, because Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Her confession was fake an later she thought about Sasuke in romantic context. Naruto wasn't present in her thoughts. So rest is only your speculation, manga is a proof of her love for Sasuke, and that's a solid fact.
This love is standing strong.
Are you trying to imply that SasuSaku is two-sided?

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Don't bring unfinished Yamato's sentence into this, because when Sakura confessed he was pretty much shocked in disbelief. Besides at the beginning he didn't know nothing about Sasuke. So that's no proof to me.
So do you have an idea of what he was going to say? And I think he was shocked at her timing not necessarily her confession. He did know about Sasuke. He had to all about Team 7 before he could lead them so he knew the mission they were going on was going to get incredibly emotional for Sakura and Naruto. It was in fact the main reason he was there. Naruto goes too emotional=release of Kyuubi.

I get that he may not have known she really liked Sasuke. But he had to have known that Sasuke was incredibly important to Team 7. And who knows? Maybe he could've connected the dots haha.

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Sakura's feelings for Naruto had surely grown (because she disliked him at the beginning), but they're nowhere close to being romantic.
Gimme proof? Databooks and Sakura's lack of 'I think of Naruto as a friend/brother' thoughts say otherwise !

Is it so hard to believe she could be in love with two guys?

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I saw him moving on when Sakura hugged Sasuke in the hospital. Naruto saw Sasuke's concerned face, and understood that he should support Sakura's happiness. He wants her to be happy, and he knows that Sasuke is the only one that she loves. Never giving up on Sakura's love would be selfish, even if Sasuke would be there for her. Sometimes you just need to be reasonable, especially when it comes to someone's feelings.
He hasn't moved on, he's at a stalemate of sorts. He wants to confess to her, but for the reasons you said he's holding himself back(except he THINKS that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. He won't know for sure until she tells him). Sakura just needs to sort out her feelings and actually admit from her mouth(not through pictures in her head and not through Sai) like clearly and confidently say who she loves before we get a resolution.

About your selfish argument, then Sakura was selfish for chasing after Sasuke despite him making it clear that he didn't return her feelings. And Hinata's selfish for chasing after Naruto even if Sakura would be there for her.

Naruto's love is truly selfless because he has made it clear he would NEVER force her to be in a relationship with him and he won't even get into a relationship with her when he believes she loves someone else. Just because he still has feelings for her, doesn't make it selfish.

And as for reasonable, again Sasuke made it clear he wasn't interested in romance. Sakura didn't give a damn and aggressively chased him anyway. Same logic applied to NaruSaku in the beginning at least. In part 2 Sakura showed more signs of returning his feelings(the hug, the ramen-feeding(or attempt to), and of course 'do I look more womanly?' *blush*).


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Naruto is already looking in Hinata's eyes and complementing her, he knows just by looking at her what does she think about.
He does that with everybody.

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Hinata's love was there from the beginning for a certain reason.
It was to help create a more diverse cast. Or are you also saying that Ino's love for Sasuke and Lee's love for Sakura give them big chances too?

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Sakura's for Sasuke as well, who knows if she won't be the one to heal his broken heart.
Sasuke's broken heart? He wasn't jilted in love, he was hurt by family. Only Itachi can help him there.

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He needs someone like her, and Naruto needs someone like Hinata.
Sasuke only needs Itachi to be straight up with him . Naruto doesn't need someone like Hinata. He's doing great without her. She helped him at certain points I'll give her that but for the most part it's not like he thinks of her constantly nor is she essential to everything going on in his life. In fact his two main problems, Kyuubi and Team 7, she has nothing to do with.

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Naruto falled for Sakura because of her smile for Sasuke, because he wanted to be loved like she loved him.
Filler dude. Chapter 3 states that he fell for Sakura initially because he thought she was cute, then he fell deeper once he saw that she craved acknowledgement like he did, and now he loves her because of all the time they've spent together. His crush ain't that shallow.

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And guess who looked at him this way all this time.
Well if we're counting filler Shion wants to have his baby. Doesn't matter how long Hinata's been looking at him if another girl asks him first...

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Now it's only the time for him to notice that.
I think he has. She said straight to his face that she loved him and he most likely remembers it. All we need to hear is the reply.

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Ok, lets say Sakura still loves Sasuke.....that doesn't mean he loves her back, or that IF he comes back they'll end up together, and it doesn't mean either she hasn't fallen for Naruto in a romantic extent, and when she was thinking of Sasuke before she got attacked, at least to me, it was like ''Why do I still feel some kind of attraction to him? I can't help it'' clearly having DOUBTS about those feelings (meaning, they're slowly fading away)
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:53 AM   #3844
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Nobody argued against this??


Yeah, he doesn't, because he never said such a thing. But how many people in his life did he thanked for something? Only her as far as I can remember. Or how many people he bonded with? Only two, Naruto and Sakura. So if Sasuke changes and decides to have any relationship, Sakura was the one that filled his lonely existence at the beginning. Not to mention she loves him to this day.
NOPE. Naruto was the one that eased his pain of loneliness. It's pretty hilarious how you stick to what turned out to be a mistranslation of the first databook, that was never mentioned again anyways and even moreso, contradicted by the canon story. Naruto was the one he let in, Naruto was the one that could touch him in a way no one could since his family's massacre.

It doesn't matter of Sakura loved him, or still does. It cannot reach him, and never had much of an effect on him anyways. At the most, he appreciated her as a comrade, but it never went further than that. He is not one to hide his feelings or hold back on his words, as evidenced by his outright admittance that he considered Naruto his best friend. These hopes of Sasuke becoming Sakura's Casanova are laughable, I mean why would you even want it at this point? He has done terrible things to her that no self-respecting individual should tolerate.

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I don't remember Sakura thinking about that part where Naruto changed into Sasuke. She never did really. If she thought about Sasuke, it was this time when he called her annoying, or said 'thank you'. Complemeting her forehead wasn't the reason she had fallen for Sasuke. Because she liked him from the time she was little, because he was popular etc. Later it developed into more mature feeling, but it was when she noticed his imperfections and love for his family. So complementing her forehead didn't hold much meaning to her.
But if she would find out that was Naruto that tricked her, I wouldn't want to be in his pants. Because seriously, he cheated on her and that was not a right thing to do.
My god, you hold Naruto's little deception against him, but you are gonna overlook that Sasuke tried to kill Sakura three times already? Seriously? Not even counting that, Sasuke has been insensitive, callous, and indifferent to Sakura before then.

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It wasn't the only nice thing 'Sasuke' did in her eyes, he thanked her and saved many times as well. She was the first person Sasuke talked with, about his life story.
Wrong. He monologued, she overheard. That isn't exactly the same thing you know.

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He praised her as well.
OH, THAT GENJUTSU COMPLIMENT. How could we forget! Because that completely overrides the insensitivity, and callousness he displays afterwards!

Oh, and again, the whole trying to kill her thing...

Naruto and many others have complimented her as well, but that doesn't seem to mean much to you, hmmm I wonder why? No, wait, I already know the answer.

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So she has a lot of other memories beside of 'forehead complement' to base her feelings on.
No she didn't. It was actually pathetic her flashbacks of Sasuke consisted of him being belittling or indifferent and her just fawning like some puppy over its master.

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NaruSaku is not two sided. It's one sided, because Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Her confession was fake an later she thought about Sasuke in romantic context. Naruto wasn't present in her thoughts. So rest is only your speculation, manga is a proof of her love for Sasuke, and that's a solid fact.
They are all one-sided.

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This love is standing strong.
Actually, no. She's given up on him on three separate occasions and even now appears to be in doubts over her feelings. That isn't exactly strong...
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:02 AM   #3845
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Sakura wanted to kill Sasuke, to stop him from sinking any lower (because she loves him) and take this burden from Naruto. But Naruto doesn't really want to kill him, this is the last thing that he wants to do. He wants to save him because of facts that Sakura doesn't know about. Because he kept the truth for himself.
Sakura could do NOTHING. Not in emotionally appealing to him or physically disabling him. Because her bond is that weak with him, that he was able to try and kill her without a word, with no remorse, and that she is that much weaker than him.

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Don't bring unfinished Yamato's sentence into this, because when Sakura confessed he was pretty much shocked in disbelief. Besides at the beginning he didn't know nothing about Sasuke. So that's no proof to me.
Sakura's feelings for Naruto had surely grown (because she disliked him at the beginning), but they're nowhere close to being romantic.
Don't talk if you're gonna bring in speculative BS about Sasuke's feelings, which haven't even entertained the thought of reciprocation.

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I saw him moving on when Sakura hugged Sasuke in the hospital. Naruto saw Sasuke's concerned face, and understood that he should support Sakura's happiness. He wants her to be happy, and he knows that Sasuke is the only one that she loves. Never giving up on Sakura's love would be selfish, even if Sasuke would be there for her.
Wow. That's a argument. His expression, even by objective observers, makes it clear that he STILL has feelings for Sakura. As a matter of fact, that particular scene just shows how deep his feelings can go for her. He does want her to be happy, with whomever, he'd just be elated if it turned out to be him.

And never letting go would not be selfish, it's not even selfless. It has nothing to do with either.

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Sometimes you just need to be reasonable, especially when it comes to someone's feelings.
YES. When someone TRIES TO KILL YOU, maybe you should um...MOVE ON.

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Naruto is already looking in Hinata's eyes and complementing her, he knows just by looking at her what does she think about.
What an awful argument, seriously? Taking your FCs title as an argument? He understands A LOT OF PEOPLE, just by looking at them. Hinata is one of many, Sakura is one of many, SASUKE is the cream of the crop for this! This i another bs argument, but it's not like I didn't expect sideshipping hypocrisy to show up...

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Hinata's love was there from the beginning for a certain reason. Sakura's for Sasuke as well, who knows if she won't be the one to heal his broken heart.
Naruto's love was there from the beginning too, you'd know that, if you like, actually read the manga, maybe that has a purpose as well. Of course, I'd expect you to deny all this to high heaven.

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He needs someone like her, and Naruto needs someone like Hinata.
No they don't. They all need what everyone needs, a solid support structure of family and friends, romance isn't a necessity. It's only what YOU want for them.

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Naruto falled for Sakura because of her smile for Sasuke, because he wanted to be loved like she loved him. And guess who looked at him this way all this time. Now it's only the time for him to notice that.
That's my opinion. I could go on and on and on about it. But it doesn't make much sense.
"Not making much sense" pretty much describes your response.
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do you guys know where i can read the konoha high school manga?
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do you guys know where i can read the konoha high school manga?
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about then I should let you know it's not a manga. It was an ending to Naruto Shippuden and I think they made this OVA of it. Try Youtube...

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Fans have made a Manga off it, though

Gotta ask, why Naruto has to love Hinata out of the blue? his feelings don't matter? so what we all know is love has to be a sisterly love towards Sakura because most of the fandom wants NaruHina? and what about Naruto's willingness to step aside if Saskue comes back and were to end up with Sakura (that latter part unlikely, though)
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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about then I should let you know it's not a manga. It was an ending to Naruto Shippuden and I think they made this OVA of it. Try Youtube...

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Is this what you're talking about?

Hate to burst your bubble guys, but any Viz-owned material are not allowed. So, remove the link if you must, please.

Also Joon, you're kinda being off-topic. This thread is about debating with pairings.

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naruto and sakura have the most percentage to end up together, but also may be end up all be single.
sakura is being more and more considerate to naruto anyway, and naruto loves her more than anyone else.
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narusaku. kishima name every character with special meaning. narusaku is the name of a kind delicious food-- ramen, namely ramen decorated with the flower " sakura”.

and we all know naruto's favorite food is ramen.
hnn= =, i want to mention kishima's wife is the type of sakura anyway.
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Black Owl~ Well, it was actually Data Book 2 that had this info about Sakura filling his lonely existence, and there was only her name written there. Naruto was close to him as well, but Sasuke was more open towards Sakura.

For me, it matters if Sakura loves Sasuke. I like her character, and I want her to be happy. You can't say what kind of effect her love will have on him when he changes. He was always the kind of guy that didn't show any emotions, maybe because of what happened to him in his life. You can laugh, but I didn't called Sasuke Sakura's casanova at all. You're laughing from your own words. That's kinda odd xD

I know Sasuke did wrong, I'm not justifying that. He's all guilty, and I didn't liked what he did. But if Sakura still loves him, I'm supporting that.
There was a guy called Vegeta, very similar to Sasuke, character in DBZ. He became Majin, killed people on the stadium, almost killed Bulma that was standing there. And she forgave him, at the end things worked out good for them. So I hope this will work to. Because Kishi was inspired by Dragon Ball when he made Naruto.

Sakura doesn't have doubts on her feelings for Sasuke, where have you read that? She loves him to this day on ,that's why her love is standing strong.
Naruto is doing fine without Sakura returning his feelings as you can see. He's all happy and cheerful as he had always been. And Sakura is crying a lot because of Sasuke's loss.

I won't continue to reply, because all you're doing is denying my words without any solid proof from the manga. Yes, I want NH and SS to happen, I think it's better than NaruSaku. At least Hinata and Sakura strongly love those guys and that was proven by two honest confessions. It's usually about girls feelings in shonen mangas, guys don't even care at the beginning. They're starting to have interest later, or after marriage. What they're interested in mostly is fighting.
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Well, it was actually Data Book 2 that had this info about Sakura filling his lonely existence, and there was only her name written there. Naruto was close to him as well, but Sasuke was more open towards Sakura.
No he wasn't. Objectively, what's already been established by ALL parties including Sakura herself is that Sasuke was closest to Naruto, and trusted him the most. He was the only one that was really able to reach him, and to this point in the story, is the only one that makes Sasuke react emotionally with words alone.

Also, if you like using the databooks so much...Sakura isn't mentioned at all as of the recent one in Sasuke's profile. What is more is they describe his parting with Naruto as "tearing his own body in half".

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For me, it matters if Sakura loves Sasuke. I like her character, and I want her to be happy.
Hard to tell, especially considering it'd be kinda hard for her to be happy if she were dead.

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You can't say what kind of effect her love will have on him when he changes.
Yes, I can. We've already seen the "effect" it has had when he was at his best, and at most he merely appreciated her for her friendship, but clearly did not reciprocate her feelings.

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He was always the kind of guy that didn't show any emotions, maybe because of what happened to him in his life. You can laugh, but I didn't called Sasuke Sakura's casanova at all. You're laughing from your own words. That's kinda odd xD
Wrong. This shows that you have an extremely loose grasp on his character. Sasuke was a distant individual, but he was very emotional, and he made no qualms in hiding how he felt about and what he thought of others and their actions.

I laugh because your arguments are based on fantasy and a poor grasp of the story and its characters. You have more than discredited yourself by claiming that Sakura was closer to Sasuke, when even the youngest of readers could tell this is not the case.

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I know Sasuke did wrong, I'm not justifying that. He's all guilty, and I didn't liked what he did. But if Sakura still loves him, I'm supporting that.
Essentially, you support a loss of self-respect. It doesn't matter how demeaning it is to her character or how much she gets thrashed, SHE LOVES HIM. It's abusive, but you don't even seem to care about that. As a Sakura fan, I'd think you'd want her to not be in such predicaments or at least realize that attempts on her life should be intolerable.

Well, you have made it clear you don't give a about Naruto's perspective, but w/e no surprise there.

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There was a guy called Vegeta, very similar to Sasuke, character in DBZ. He became Majin, killed people on the stadium, almost killed Bulma that was standing there. And she forgave him, at the end things worked out good for them.
argument because one, this isn't DBZ. Secondly, that pair was only to bring about Trunks' part in the storyline, and third, Sasuke and Vegeta aren't really alike at all. They only serve a similar purpose in their stories, but their characters are totally different.

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So I hope this will work to. Because Kishi was inspired by Dragon Ball when he made Naruto.
He was also inspired by Akira, where Tetsuo killed his love interest.


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Sakura doesn't have doubts on her feelings for Sasuke, where have you read that?
She has constantly wavered. From when Naruto came back from his first fight with Sasuke, to wanting to give it up after witnessing Naruto's suffering, to wanting to give up on him during the Kage Summit Arc. What's more is that she was even willing to throw him under the bus so to speak. Yes, that speaks VOLUMES about her love "standing strong".

She's always been the first to give up, and her hope in Sasuke has been artificially sustained by Naruto's own. She's weak, an emotional parasite, and her infatuation with Sasuke only emphasizes these shortcomings.

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She loves him to this day on ,that's why her love is standing strong.
Everyone's crushes are the same, it's not standing strong. It's her pathetic clinging to the past, which our peek into her inner thoughts made more than clear.

Regarding my first statement, I know due to nothing more than hypocrisy you would not argue that Naruto's feelings are "standing strong". Because you can't possibly reconcile that acknowledgment with your sideshipping arguments for NaruHina.

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Naruto is doing fine without Sakura returning his feelings as you can see. He's all happy and cheerful as he had always been. And Sakura is crying a lot because of Sasuke's loss.
Naruto is just as fine as Sakura is in regards to the crushes lack of reciprocation. Again, this is just further example of your terrible reading comprehension. What is causing angst for both is Sasuke's turn to darkness, not because he doesn't love her.

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I won't continue to reply, because all you're doing is denying my words without any solid proof from the manga.
I am, what is more is that you aren't using proof of the manga at all. You are warping and twisting characters and the events around you in accordance to the fantasy settings you have concocted for them. You have more than shown an inadequate comprehension of the most basic themes of the story and the most basic characteristics of the relationships between the characters in it.

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Yes, I want NH and SS to happen, I think it's better than NaruSaku.
Yes, plain hypocrisy. You would hold NS's flaws against it, but you will make excuses till your blue in the face when confronted with the flaws SasuSaku has, which, since you seem unaware, has all the flaws NaruSaku does and then some.

If I can make it more clear to those bothering to read this, you would hold Naruto's deception in ch.3 against his relationship with Sakura but you would continuously excuse Sasuke's three attempts at murdering Sakura in cold blood.

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At least Hinata and Sakura strongly love those guys and that was proven by two honest confessions.
That's because Naruto has put everything at a standstill until he rescues Sasuke. Again, if you had actually read the story, you'd know this.

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It's usually about girls feelings in shonen mangas, guys don't even care at the beginning. They're starting to have interest later, or after marriage. What they're interested in mostly is fighting.
That's a argument too. Most shonen mangas emphasize the guys' feelings, when they have them and this story isn't any different. It's not the centerpiece of their characters because they tend to be more multifaceted.
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Sorry to "break the ice" here.

Narusaku seems to be the most likely to become canon here. I've been researching for info for the past week. I really was undecided then, but when I saw proof from NS and NH, I could predict right from the start of Part II (Shippuden) that it was most likely NS.

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Sasuke has never loved Sakura, there's NO PROOF either in the manga or anime, he may have indeed cared for her at one point as teammate and friend, but that's it, and even if Sasuke ends up coming back, even if Naruto himself tries to make him hook up with Sakura (due to Naruto wanting to see Sakura happy, no matter what) Sasuke just won't do it, and there's no way anyone can prove to me ''Oh Sasuke loves Sakura but has not realized it yet'', I mean, confused or not, he did tried to kill her WITHOUT HESITATION at least twice.
HokageSoulReaper might have a point here. Would you really try to kill someone you genuinely love twice without hesitation?

Also, I found something from the official NaruSaku forum (Heaven & Earth) that also proves a point here:

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Actually it's in the official databook 3 in Sakura's profile that she no longer is in love with Sasuke and has developed feelings for Naruto. In her character description in Viz's official (meaning this is approved by Kishimoto) English adaption of his manga it says Sakura "used to be" in love with Sasuke. She is no longer- which is freaking obvious if you actually read the manga- as is her being in love with Naruto not Sasuke. Let's compare her reactions to seeing Naruto vs Sasuke for the first time in about 3 years.

With Naruto- Sakura blushes, smiles and flirts in an overt way with him, inviting to look her body in a sexual manner. Also I suggest reading chapters 296-7, 343, 429, 450, 458-9 and others in part 2 of the manga.

With Sasuke- no smile, no blush, much less any attempt at flirting (and look at part 1, she blushes, smiles and tries to flirt with Sasuke all the time. If she was still in love with him at minimum she would have blushed at how sexy she thought he looked- instead, no reaction of that sort at all) She is scared of him, and then angry when he threatens Naruto's life, she attempts to act to protect Naruto.

The animators have picked up on the obvious- Sakura is in love with Naruto and using symbols to show that. Note as well she is the only one shown actually drinking the NARUTOnic water and Hinata is the only other person with a can of it. Obvious symbolic reference to their connection to Naruto- Hinata has feelings for Naruto but Naruto isn't connected to her- one sided attraction. Sakura drinks the water- bringing Naruto inside her (LOL that sounded like a reference to sex) meaning their attraction is mutual and deep. Sakura scribbles out Sasuke's name from under her umbrella because she no longer has romantic feelings for him and has become completely comfortable with acknowlwedging that, she's free of her one sided feelings for him, and is happy and confident in herself, she is open to letting Naruto in.
Courtesy of ciardha of the Heaven & Earth forum. Having that in mind, the manga and anime is leaning in toward a NaruSaku ending.

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Exactly, couldn't have said it any better! and going a bit off topic with the DBZ, Vegeta and Sasuke have another thing in common, they started one way, ended up the opposite (Vegeta was a bad guy turning good, Sasuke a good guy going bad)
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Based on the amount of evidence that everyone has, Sakura and Hinata are on equal ground here. Hinata has loved Naruto since day 1, Naruto has 'loved' Sakura since day 1, Sakura has 'loved' Sasuke since day 1.
Naruto likes Sakura and therefore doesn't really acknowledge Hinata. Same goes with Sakura. And Sasuke is too busy plotting to kill Itachi/destroy Konoha to acknowledge Sakura.
Maybe no pairings will happen? That is possible because if you haven't noticed Part 2 has been about getting Sasuke back to Konoha... and Naruto never giving up. The whole anime is about friendship and rivalries. Examples: Naruto/Sasuke, Shikamaru/Chouji, Kakashi/Guy, Haku/Zabuza, Naruto/pretty much everyone in Konoha... Thats the best suggestion seeming as there is no way Kishi is gonna drop a Y bomb on us...
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Based on the amount of evidence that everyone has, Sakura and Hinata are on equal ground here. Hinata has loved Naruto since day 1, Naruto has 'loved' Sakura since day 1, Sakura has 'loved' Sasuke since day 1.
Naruto likes Sakura and therefore doesn't really acknowledge Hinata. Same goes with Sakura. And Sasuke is too busy plotting to kill Itachi/destroy Konoha to acknowledge Sakura.
Maybe no pairings will happen? That is possible because if you haven't noticed Part 2 has been about getting Sasuke back to Konoha... and Naruto never giving up. The whole anime is about friendship and rivalries. Examples: Naruto/Sasuke, Shikamaru/Chouji, Kakashi/Guy, Haku/Zabuza, Naruto/pretty much everyone in Konoha... Thats the best suggestion seeming as there is no way Kishi is gonna drop a Y bomb on us...
The first half of the message, I second that.

As for the second part, what if the outcome is different? What if Sasuke never returns to Konoha for purposes other than revenge on the Senju clan, who almost left his clan extinct, which is practically his mission. If he is that evil, he doesn't deserve to be loved. Might as well leave him alone.

Why do you think there might be no room for romance? Kishi has built up a lot of romantic tension, particularly in the love square including Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura and Hinata. Plus, many fans do want an end to the shipping wars at the end of the series. In many shows, they leave many plotholes open. Fans get enraged by that, and if that happens, that will only leave the shipping wars ignited.

Who knows, Kishi might drop a Y bomb on us .....*threat of Y bomb shows on manga chapter*
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The first half of the message, I second that.

As for the second part, what if the outcome is different? What if Sasuke never returns to Konoha for purposes other than revenge on the Senju clan, who almost left his clan extinct, which is practically his mission. If he is that evil, he doesn't deserve to be loved. Might as well leave him alone.

Why do you think there might be no room for romance? Kishi has built up a lot of romantic tension, particularly in the love square including Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura and Hinata. Plus, many fans do want an end to the shipping wars at the end of the series. In many shows, they leave many plotholes open. Fans get enraged by that, and if that happens, that will only leave the shipping wars ignited.

Who knows, Kishi might drop a Y bomb on us .....*threat of Y bomb shows on manga chapter*
Part 1 (Lol)
I agree with what your saying and I think Kishimoto has kinda dug himself a hole. He's made Sasuke so evil that it would be really hard to 'love' him as you say . But he is the only reason the plot of Naruto has to stay alive. In order for the story to be a success Naruto needs to become Hokage. Naruto said he will not be Hokage if he can't save his friend. Therefore Sasuke is kinda keeping everything from becoming shitty. And also he wants to prove Jiraya/ero-sennin/Pervy Sage wrong. That you can't just turn away from your friends. And it's a really emotional thing he's trying to prove as Jiraya couldn't 'save' Orochimaru and he feels the same way he does.

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I didn't say there might not be room for romance there certainly is. And I'm all for shipping, but wouldn't it be kinda sucky to just see at the very end, just out of the blue:
Sasuke: I love you Sakura... marry me.
Just out of the blue after all these years after everything he's done... he's gonna be with the girl who loves him?
And I'm not sure if anyone notices... he's more of an asexual then anything else. He doesn't care about all the girls around him (Sakura/Ino/Karin) and he really just isn't interested. But if there is a shipping... I'd go with Naruhina only on the basis that I dig shy girls... haha

P.S:Yaoi in a mainstream anime/manga would be a first right? Haha that would be pretty funny
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Based on the amount of evidence that everyone has, Sakura and Hinata are on equal ground here.Hinata has loved Naruto since day 1, Naruto has 'loved' Sakura since day 1, Sakura has 'loved' Sasuke since day 1.
Naruto likes Sakura and therefore doesn't really acknowledge Hinata. Same goes with Sakura. And Sasuke is too busy plotting to kill Itachi/destroy Konoha to acknowledge Sakura.
Maybe no pairings will happen? That is possible because if you haven't noticed Part 2 has been about getting Sasuke back to Konoha... and Naruto never giving up. The whole anime is about friendship and rivalries. Examples: Naruto/Sasuke, Shikamaru/Chouji, Kakashi/Guy, Haku/Zabuza, Naruto/pretty much everyone in Konoha... Thats the best suggestion seeming as there is no way Kishi is gonna drop a Y bomb on us...
I don't agree with you at all! I think You are a very huge biased SS or NH fan writing this. I must tell you that when i read ur post it made me very angry with what nuisance u wrote!

I don't think hinata and sakura is on equal grounds because whether u admit it or not u(and evry SS and NH fan) very well know that naruto has always loved, still loves and will always love sakura and sakura only used to have a crush on sasuke which have been turned to romantic feelings towards naruto over time! Narusaku development started way early in part 1 but still at end of part 1 sakura thought of sasuke as the person she loved because she didn't know about naruto's pain and suffering at all. But in part 2 when she came to know about them she was totally there for naruto and their are uncountable moments between naruto and sakura which are way more bigger than SS or NH! And I don't even think there is need to say that sakura was their for naruto 100% more than hinata! only placce I found hinata was during his fight with pein where sakura didn't help because she did not get much info about battle by the hyuga!

Sakura came to acknowledge naruto very early in the manga and in part 2 she also kind of acknowledge him as the person she loves, and I hope and believe that if kishi really did so much development for NS then he should make it happen! I really don't want to see SS and NH happening because they wil come from nowhere! I am not afraid to say that if NS don't happen but pairings like SS and NH happen it will be very shitty romance writing by kishi!

Also I think that why should sasuke get all the things that naruto wanted from very beginning! I mean sasuke used to get acknowledged by everyone, all girls used to go to him and heck kishi even made him defeat naruto(though it was important for story) so I think in the end it should be naruto who gets everything and not sasuke! By that i mean sakura, acknowledgement by each and every shinobi and even beating crap out of sasuke to bring him back!

I don't know why people fell for SS in first place because that seems so bad romantic story,I must say NH is a lot better than SS but if asked between the three NS was, is and always will be even if it doesn't become canon(due to shitty writing or any other bad reason) the best pairing ever developed!

I really hope SS and NH fans face reality that if their pairings happen it will be only due to faulty romance part by kishi!

i also don't agree with part where u say the manga is all about frienship/rivalries, rather it is about bonds which include love as a mjor part as well and I think NS has highest chances to happen because sakura shows deep care for naruto(which is mixed with romantic feelings) and wants sasuke back not because she loves him but because she wants naruto to be happy and team 7 redeemed, as for naruto he shows deep care for everyone and deeply loves sakura which can be easily proven because of his selfless towards her! He never wants to force her to love him(although she is now in love with him), but he just can't believe it due to old sceneries in his mind! And by the end of manga I think kishi will definitely be sensible and help naruto being happy by making NS canon(although noone can be sure but it is the only pairing so well developed, making sense and so charming)!

Also if u consider pairings by the eye of nuetral fans more than 90% will say that narusaku should happen because others will just come out of nowhere and also why make the title character always lose to his rival/brother/friend(sasuke)! I gurantee as I have seen on many other sites that nuetral fans generally say narusaku will be the best pairing to happen out of 3 because it is very sensible!

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