Common Misperceptions in the Battlegrounds

[Godaime Kazekage]

The purpose of this thread is to post a misconception believed by and used in the arguments of multiple forum goers in the Battlegrounds and then to post your reasoning as to why its a misconception. Of course other forum goers can debate with you and refute your statement if they believe what you said is false.

The format should be something like this: (the part about where the misconception comes from is optional)

The Misconception: Gaara's sand is weak to water.

Where the misconception comes from: In real life sand gets goopy when drenched with water and there was an anime filler episode in which water hardened Gaara's sand and made it unusable.

Spoiler:

Also, misunderstandings about the Gaara vs. Mizukage fight.

Why it's a misconception: You can't compare super hard, chakra loaded sand in a manga to the sand you see in real life on the beach. There is zero manga evidence for Gaara's sand being weak to water.

Spoiler:

The reason Gaara's sand was failing against the 2nd Mizukage was because the Mizukage's "water" was more oil than water in composition and the oil seeped into and broke down the sand. Gaara actually integrated hail into his sand (some of it melting into water) which didn't affect the sand as well.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Misperception isn't a word.

[Uchiha Sora]

Maybe he meant misconceptions?

Anyway water should make Gaara's sand slower and nothing more.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Misperception isn't a word.

Haha thanks-I'll fix it. I've been living in Germany for awhile now so my English is suffering as a result

Edit: just looked it up because I was curious and misperception actually is a word :P
Next time you use a post solely to educate someone on their vocabulary you should probably take the five seconds it would take to look up the word and double check if it is or is not in fact a word. This is an internet forum after all.

[Frost ninja]

Didn't mizukage render Gaara's sand useless with water when he was about to be sealed?

Though a misconception that is pretty common is that Hirudora is weaksause.

Where it comes from - Kisame survived it

In reality - A single air-pressure punch displaced enough energy and water to resemble the clashing of tectonic plates while creating a blast that dwarfed an island sized turtle. Mind you, this was also muffled by the water. Kisame is insanely durable.


Am I doing it right? <_<

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Didn't mizukage render Gaara's sand useless with water when he was about to be sealed?

Though a misconception that is pretty common is that Hirudora is weaksause.

Where it comes from - Kisame survived it

In reality - A single air-pressure punch displaced enough energy and water to resemble the clashing of tectonic plates while creating a blast that dwarfed an island sized turtle. Mind you, this was also muffled by the water. Kisame is insanely durable.


Am I doing it right? <_<

Yeah, you're doing it right And I agree about Hirudora not being weak sauce. As for the part about the Mizukage and Gaara's sand, I explained it in the OP, perhaps you didn't see it, because it was in the spoiler section?

[TheBlackChidori]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Misperception isn't a word.

I really hate when people correct people with incorrect info. Instead of making useless posts that aren't about the topic, especially to say something false like this, how about you post something Naruto-related. Mod.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/misperception

[Frost ninja]

Didn't see the spoiler. Soz ...
you thought ahead :3

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

I really hate when people correct people with incorrect info. Instead of making useless posts that aren't about the topic, especially to say something false like this, how about you post something Naruto-related. Mod.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/misperception

Yeah, Shikamaru! stop playing black ops for a bit and read a dictionary or two!

[Cult of Personality]

Misperception is a word, but it's not the right word. You're looking for misCONception.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Misperception is a word, but it's not the right word. You're looking for misCONception.

Yes, thank you for your wonderful insight-we've already established that, hence the reason I changed it in the parts of the thread I'm capable of editing. Now can we get back to the purpose of this thread instead of wasting posts on misconception vs. misperception? This is a forum about Naruto, not English grammar.

[Frost ninja]

Common misconception - That this is a forum about naruto, not English grammar.

Where it comes from - People who used improper grammar

The reality - This might actually be a valid argument in the ideal of suisui's eye. Does the victim simply misconcieve their own thoughts, or are they in a misperceptional stance in which they are not consciously aware of what is occuring.

Do they see what happens and think its okay, or do they miss everything? If its the second, then how does one access the thoughts in the first place and still keep the person not only conscious but with an unaltered chakra flow?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Funny, now being foreign is a valid excuse for poor English. IWD is foreign and has a better grasp of the language than most of us. :/ However, I do apologize for my ass-ish behavior.
Anyway;

Common misconception - Haku's mirrors are lightspeed.

The reality - Haku is not lightspeed and there are no solid calculations or any speculation about the speed of the mirrors that can solidly prove these other than databooks that are false, since Kishi apparently thinks Haku IS lightspeed. He's not. Sasuke > Base Haku, so therefore Sasuke = Lightspeed.

@Frost: Does that even deem a response?
I made a mistake. I was wrong.

At least I can admit it and keep my nose out of places it doesn't belong, which is a trait that is lost on many people. :/

[Frost ninja]

@ Shika

I based it around Suisui's eye, so if you want to respond then sure. Also don't forget anyone who reacted to Sasuke is also lightspeed or greater, and anyone who reacted to them, and so on.

[JLI2infinity]

Common Misconception: Rakiri = Chidori and is the same in power

Reality: Rakiri is an S Rank ninjutsu that Kakashi has mastered and Sasuke has not, it is superior to both the Chidori and Rasengan because it uses both shape and nature manipulation to make a more concentrated powerful attack.

Common Misconception: Gaara's sand is as fast as Raikage

Reality: Gaara stopped A while he mas in mid-air about to deliver a kick, that is strike speed not pure speed, it was already shown that A takes time when he delivers one of his patented moves such as the Liger Bomb or Elbow Bolt, it has nothing to do with how fast he arrives to attack a target...Gaara was not able to keep up with the Mizukage's water clone so he used a sand clone knowing he wasn't fast enough. Also, Madara and Muu were shown dodging Gaara's sand while Madara was unable to do anything but put his hands up against A's attack.

Common Misconception: Anyone can break Shikamaru's shadow techniques with enough will power or brute force

Reality: While this is mostly true this does not apply to Shikamaru's shadow sewing technique which physically stabs into the target's skin and holds it them in place. It also doesn't seem to apply to his Shadow Shuriken Technique which Hidan and Kakuzu didn't seem to be able to break...Kakuzu had to use the hand he placed underground to remove them.

[Uchiha Sora]

Common Misconception: Gaara's sand is as fast as Raikage

Reality: Gaara stopped A while he mas in mid-air about to deliver a kick, that is strike speed not pure speed, it was already shown that A takes time when he delivers one of his patented moves such as the Liger Bomb or Elbow Bolt, it has nothing to do with how fast he arrives to attack a target...Gaara was not able to keep up with the Mizukage's water clone so he used a sand clone knowing he wasn't fast enough. Also, Madara and Muu were shown dodging Gaara's sand while Madara was unable to do anything but put his hands up against A's attack.

Yes and no... Not as fast as V2 Armor A. But possibly faster than V1 A as Sasuke said he had to block the sand with an Blaze Release like he did with V2 A. But he didn't need to do so with V1 A. I could just be misunderstanding sasuke though

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Common Misconception: Gaara's sand is as fast as Raikage

Reality: Gaara stopped A while he mas in mid-air about to deliver a kick, that is strike speed not pure speed, it was already shown that A takes time when he delivers one of his patented moves such as the Liger Bomb or Elbow Bolt, it has nothing to do with how fast he arrives to attack a target...Gaara was not able to keep up with the Mizukage's water clone so he used a sand clone knowing he wasn't fast enough. Also, Madara and Muu were shown dodging Gaara's sand while Madara was unable to do anything but put his hands up against A's attack.

I agree with Uchiha_Sora about the yes and no, but for different reasons. This is a theory of mine so it's not proven or anything, but I think Gaara's sand is faster when used for defense than offense. This is because Gaara has to manipulate his sand when attacking whereas he can sit and do nothing when being attacked thanks to the auto defense. So when he's been battling for a while and gets tired (like in the war) it affects his sand's speed, making it easier to avoid. On the other hand the auto-defense has moved fast enough to block Amaterasu which Raikage had to use a V2 shunshin in order to avoid. Then again, Raikage never said that he was moving at max speed when battling Sasuke so he can probably move even faster than that. I guess my point is that, you're right, Gaara's sand is not as fast as Raikage, but it's still insanely fast, it blocked ammy and even his attack sand was fast enough to block Raikage's kick (even though it wasn't full speed, it was cms away from Sasuke's enton when Gaara's sand came in for the save).

@Uchiha_Sora: I think you just read a wrong translation of the chapter, the way Viz portrays it (I think, I don't have that volume with me at the moment) is Sasuke says, "I can't believe you can guard so effectively against my enton, I guess your absolute defense is alive and well."

[Frost ninja]

The Guillotine kick?

It wasn't very fast at all.

In fact, I'd say it sits at aprox. 9.81 m/s^2

[Rasen_Chidori]

The only time I'd say Gaara's sand was possibly faster than Raikage in V2 was after Onoki lightened it, normally speaking, it'd be about equal with V1 Raikage or slightly slower.

Gaara's sand did block Ammy which is virtually intantanious and it was able to travel over the entire sand village in a matter of seconds.