Was George Zimmerman Justifed?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Apparently he is not racist just bipolar as . He is known for stalking people he profiles as suspicious. He has already been reported for his behavior before this incident. He was self appointed leader of the neighborhood watch.

So basically he followed the kid like he normally does. But the kid probably told him to gtfo of his face.

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

The police tried to cover it up. They were playing favorites because Zimmerman was helping them out. The FBI had to get involved.

The guy is guilty as sin.

if what DL is saying is accurate the guy was just nuts and off his meds

wonder why someone that unstable was permitted to have a gun? I'm in favor of self defense laws..love 'em want to expand them..but you don't give maniacs weapons

[Devils Lawyer]

Thats because like cult said he helped the police. He was super snitch of the year called the police an excessive number of the times. Harassed people on the regular. I am more surprised at the fact he hasn't been shot.

[tsuki]

Originally Posted by Yori

2 Experts confirmed that the 911 screams were not Zimmermans!

Your turn Woo

Seems like he has no response. Not surprising.

[Wooster]

Posted without commentary from the Orlando Sentinel

ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin's shooting.
The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on "Good Morning America." ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."
Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.
Gutman said the video had been "clarified" by Forensic Protection Inc. Former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett told ABC that the clearer video shows "marks on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head."

[Cult of Personality]

Tell you one thing. If some guy attacked me while I was walking home from the gas station I sure as well wouldn't just let him. I'd fight back. What's that called again? Oh right. Self defense.

[zebrakiller]

oh and had Zimmerman been black the exact god damn thing would have happened to him..likely the media that has crusaded against this guy..likely never would have picked the story up in the first place!!!- which is pretty effed up in and of itself

i agree with this, but the rest is bs, the race card is real and we see it everyday, its just fact that people are ignorant, intolerant, and/or have concrete stereotypes of people that are different from them. unfortunate but true, and everyone is guilty of it to some degree.

they need to put this fool in front of a judge and let the legal system do its job.

[AgentShayd]

The point here is.. no one wins in this case... I am sorry but I think Zimmerman should pay for this. I do not believe this was actual self defense. I also believe he is hiding behind the new Florida law because he knows he seriously screwed up. This is so sad that one life is gone forever, another will be locked up.. or even threatened out of retaliation, or he will have to live with the fact that he took another person's life... and both the families of these two people will forever be scarred. Once a life is taken there is no bringing that life back. People should be able to defend themselves.. BUT I have a hard time believing that this guy was truly just defending his self. Besides he could have shot to injure not kill. But whatever... you can't turn back the clock now...

[Wooster]

Ohh, NBC and ABC...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50590

Why are you such race baiters?

Editted transcript:
ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good… he looks black.

Actual transcript:
ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he's up to no good… or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
DISPATCHER: Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?
ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

[AgentShayd]

e.e Wooster.... you are not going to win this.. Also since when is it allowed to carry a gun on neighborhood watch and since when is it a policy to follow people like a stalker. Did you ever stop to thing that maybe that kid thought HIS life was in danger? That some creepy adult following him was trying to kill him? This is the stupidest thing I see in a while. He knows he is in trouble so he hides behind a newly formed law thinking this will save his ass. Well even if the law justifies him, I doubt someone else will. We can all see what it is going to happen here.

[Wooster]

Concealed carry, most states have it. Look it up.

So he attack someone from behind? That is why guns are allowed. They are the great equlaizer. As soon as Martin attack, Zimmerman was justified in shooting. The tape back up that ZImmerman stiopped following when told not to. He did say OK. Not to mention his breathing returned to normal when he stopped moving. But all this can easily be determined by the location of Martin's body. If it is by Zimmerman's truck, then we will know what happened won't we?

The law is irrelevant. Either Martin attack, and simple self defense applies. Or Zimmerman attack, and he is not covered under any law. Stand your ground never enters the picture in this case.

The Media ran with this story with partial facts and editting facts that didn't suit their means. Just like the Lacross team rape case of a few years ago. The chance of Zimmerman ever being convicted are nil because all the facts buttress his story. Those that call Zimmerman a murderer before he has even been charged are scum, plain and simple.

[Devils Lawyer]

So the kid attacks for no reason is what you are saying. He randomly attacked someone in his fathers neighborhood. A place I am sure he can basically call home. Without he provocation he did this. He goes from walking around to I am gonna f*** that dude up getting into his truck. Lol you gotta admit that strange Wooster. It still doesn't match up with his story.

Never really doubted they got into a fight. Zimmerman just caught the losing end. Besides that point someone following you home suspiciously does not constitue a threat to you. From the conversation he had intent to follow. So if someone follows you for several blocks you wouldn't constitue that as suspicious. Maybe even a little hostile. People get shot for reasons like that. Zimmerman really has no ground to stand on why he was following Martin. Lol because he looks suspicous and was walking.

He may not get arrested but he will definetely get raped in a civil suit. His life is over either way.

[Wooster]

It was not Martin's fathers neighborhood twas only nearby.

Let's note it was also raining, but Martin was not walking purposefully like most people would in the rain but meandering around this neighbor. Nor was Martin walking on the road, but behind the houses on the grass. And as Zimmerman said he looked like he was on drugs. And there were a spate of eight robberies in the neighborhood in the past few months. Zimmerman's actions are logical and warranted.

The same could be said about Zimmerman, why would he attack Martin? He already called the police and, as the recording proves, lost sight of Martin.

Why Martin attack Zimmerman is mainly irrelevant; he was pissed at being followed makes as much sense as any other narrative that has developed. In any case, the evidence suggest he did. The evidence also suggest Martin got the better of Zimmerman, at that point Zimmerman was in his right to self defense, stand your ground or no.

[Devils Lawyer]

The whole entire first portion of the story unverified. Basically Zimmermans word. Who has in the past already been known to follow individuals for lesser offenses. If the kid was on drugs the news would be throwing gas on the fire now with that fact.

Second portion him following Martin was not in his rights. Zimmerman did not have the legal nor the authority to do so. He was specifically told not to. So any actions or incidents that followed puts him equally responsible.But you are right if he is proven innocent thats that. Him getting arrested was doubtful from the get go. But doesn't mean that will be the end of it. Nor does it mean he will come out unscathed. It was his decision to follow Martin so he should be prepared for the consequences. Being a good neighbor and citizen should have ended with the 911 call.

[sharingangirl]

If Zimmerman had done what he was told Trayvon would still be alive. That sums it up right there in my opinion.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

The whole entire first portion of the story unverified. Basically Zimmermans word. Who has in the past already been known to follow individuals for lesser offenses. If the kid was on drugs the news would be throwing gas on the fire now with that fact.

Second portion him following Martin was not in his rights. Zimmerman did not have the legal nor the authority to do so. He was specifically told not to. So any actions or incidents that followed puts him equally responsible.But you are right if he is proven innocent thats that. Him getting arrested was doubtful from the get go. But doesn't mean that will be the end of it. Nor does it mean he will come out unscathed. It was his decision to follow Martin so he should be prepared for the consequences. Being a good neighbor and citizen should have ended with the 911 call.

Again, not clear that Zimmerman did follow Martin after told he did not NEED to. But I wil get to that in a minute. He was never told not to.

This article is fascinating. Maps FTW.
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...dees-testimony

Gives motivation and action of both Zimmerman and Martin. More of mix between of who accousted whom. Also note where eyewitness positioned at G is. That is the one that stated that Martin was ontop of Zimmerman. That position would have seen everything.

I think the most tragic explanation would be, that when Martin saw Zimmerman reaching in his pocket for his phone, Martin attacked thinking it was a weapon. Of course, when Zimmerman was knocked to the ground and Martin continued to attack, he responded with his actual gun.

That gives the confrontation, the dual meetings, Zimmerman not following Martin, but then later following, why Martin attacked, Martin's call to his girlfriend, and the two calls to 911.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Again, not clear that Zimmerman did follow Martin after told he did not NEED to. But I wil get to that in a minute. He was never told not to.

This article is fascinating. Maps FTW.
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...dees-testimony

Gives motivation and action of both Zimmerman and Martin. More of mix between of who accousted whom. Also note where eyewitness positioned at G is. That is the one that stated that Martin was ontop of Zimmerman. That position would have seen everything.

I think the most tragic explanation would be, that when Martin saw Zimmerman reaching in his pocket for his phone, Martin attacked thinking it was a weapon. Of course, when Zimmerman was knocked to the ground and Martin continued to attack, he responded with his actual gun.

That gives the confrontation, the dual meetings, Zimmerman not following Martin, but then later following, why Martin attacked, Martin's call to his girlfriend, and the two calls to 911.

The incident was more than likely accidental. More likely a situtation overblown I never disagreed with that. But if he was told to stop he should have. It's that simple. He did his part why press the issue and continue pursuit. The situation could have been less intense. Now he is a situation that he need not be in. All behind being self righteous and judgemental. He is technically not even neighborhood watch. I guess he considers himself a rogue.

[Gaia]

I can't agree with these people more, to name a few: Yori, Tsuki, Cult of Personality, Nick Tasogare. I find the fact people can actually argue about this if it isn't already obvious, pretty bull-.

Here's a video for you guys either way.

YouTube:

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

The incident was more than likely accidental. More likely a situtation overblown I never disagreed with that. But if he was told to stop he should have. It's that simple. He did his part why press the issue and continue pursuit. The situation could have been less intense. Now he is a situation that he need not be in. All behind being self righteous and judgemental. He is technically not even neighborhood watch. I guess he considers himself a rogue.

None of that is a crime.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by zebrakiller

i agree with this, but the rest is bs, the race card is real and we see it everyday, its just fact that people are ignorant, intolerant, and/or have concrete stereotypes of people that are different from them. unfortunate but true, and everyone is guilty of it to some degree.

they need to put this fool in front of a judge and let the legal system do its job.

Really the race card is real? So when was the last time any of us minority posters encountered legitimate organized state sanctioned bigotry designed to keep any one of us down? Hmm? I haven't I mean whatever I've seen laws designed to politically oppress people: but not employed in the US.

And every single US citizen has the right to defend his or her or it's self via legal means against the "race issue" organizing protests to illegalize something as basic as self defense...putting bounty on peoples heads and igniting a nation wide lynch mob..when the guy hasn't even gotten to trial..and then playing politics..does nothing to improve any racial issues in this country.

For the record: I don't like the idea of anyone gunning someone down after a cop tells you to stop: I don't like vigilante justice when there is no reason or justification for it. This guy in my mind broke the law the moment he pursued the kid after he was told not to: but I'm not gonna be on the jury and I'm no judge or Lawyer

my issue with this case is how badly this has been handled and the hypocrisy of covering this with such fury and righteous indignation when this happens every other god damn minute in the Ghetto.

Get pissed about that get even more pissed that the hypocrites in the media do nothing about this ...let the law handle the wannabe Bronson affect social change where it's god damn needed for once..

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

The incident was more than likely accidental. More likely a situtation overblown

See I agree with this: While it certainly highlights a need for all of us to have more common sense and awareness of ones situation: this is one of the reasons why I think all the attention it's getting is idiotic

This likely occurred because both parties used poor judgment.

[mrsticky005]

Since I wasn't there and am not a witness I honestly have no idea.

Though the media sure seems like they already got things figured out.