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Old 03-28-2012, 09:34 AM   #1
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George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Was he justufied?

Here's an article: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...john-r-lott-jr
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He killed someone and is still free. He followed this kid after the cops told him to stop so strike 1. He said the kid looked like he was up to no good, stroke 2. After he shot the kid all the boy had was skittles and some Arizonia Ice Tea, strike 3.

I just find it funny how in this country if you shoot a kid your not arrested but if you throw flower on Kim Kardashian you are arrested immediately. America, America, America.
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He killed someone and is still free. He followed this kid after the cops told him to stop so strike 1. He said the kid looked like he was up to no good, stroke 2. After he shot the kid all the boy had was skittles and some Arizonia Ice Tea, strike 3.

I just find it funny how in this country if you shoot a kid your not arrested but if you throw flower on Kim Kardashian you are arrested immediately. America, America, America.

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Zimmerman was invistigating someone who appeared suspicious, which was his duty as captain of the neighborhood watch He was only told he did not have to keep track of him by the police not that he shouldn't.

He then lost track of Martin. Martin approached him from behind and decked him by his car. Then Martin proceeded to straddle Zimmerman and beat his head into the ground, verified by a witness by the way and Zimmerman's physical condition afterwards. After Zmmerman screamed for help and no one came. He then shot this 17-year 6'2" man that was beating the crap out of him.

Please tell me what he did wrong.
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Sorry but please tell me how will you still have movement in your body if your head was banged against the ground numerous of times?

Also did you hear the 911 call? Did you hear Martin screaming for help numerous of times, seconds later you can hear the gun off. So here is the deal, when Martin was screaming for help Zimmerman should have fall back and let the cops came. No he took matter in his own hands and ended the kid life. Just search for the 911 call and you can hear Martin screaming and the gun going off as plain as day.
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Doesn't this happen everyday? People getting shot by other people?
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Sorry but please tell me how will you still have movement in your body if your head was banged against the ground numerous of times?

Also did you hear the 911 call? Did you hear Martin screaming for help numerous of times, seconds later you can hear the gun off. So here is the deal, when Martin was screaming for help Zimmerman should have fall back and let the cops came. No he took matter in his own hands and ended the kid life. Just search for the 911 call and you can hear Martin screaming and the gun going off as plain as day.
Witness and physical conditions verify that's what happened. WE are not God. We can't know everything.

It has been verified by the witness that it was Zimmerman screaming for help, not Martin.
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The same was said for Martin. Zimmerman screaming for help, but he immediately shuts up right after the gun go off? Doesn't sound right. He seen standing over martins body? Doesn't sound right. There have also been reports that other than the women and her family in the 911 call, there are two voices. The screaming one we heard, and a calmer voice. Reports have also said throughout the screaming the calmer voice has been heard speaking thoughout the screaming.

So with that said, if I'm trayvon am I going to be talking to you in a calm voice while I'm whooping your ass for following me, because I look like I'm up to no good? No. If I'm Zimmerman am I going to stop screaming immediately after I shot my gun? Also don't forget I'm standing over the person I shot body, but I'm so injured from getting my ass whooped..

Just doesn't sound right. Zimmermans 911 call even raised questions on whether he was intoxicated throughout the whole ordeal.
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That is all speculation. The police can only go on evidence all of which points to self defense.

The witness saw a man in a hoodie on top of a man in a red shirt. Heard the man in a red shirt scream for help and then a gut shot, then he called 911.

How the confrontation started we can't know besides what Zimmerman says, which of course would be biased. But at the time of the shot, Zimmerman was acting in self defense.
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That is all speculation. The police can only go on evidence all of which points to self defense.

The witness saw a man in a hoodie on top of a man in a red shirt. Heard the man in a red shirt scream for help and then a gut shot, then he called 911.
You keep saying that, but there have been several reports of witnesses reporting the exact opposite.

So you are basing your decision on testimony that may or may not be accurate.
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Exactly what I been saying
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You keep saying that, but there have been several reports of witnesses reporting the exact opposite.

So you are basing your decision on testimony that may or may not be accurate.

Or maybe he's trying to start a debate since you're in the debate section...
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Whether or not Zimmerman was justified is irrelevant. The police should have at least taken him in until the details of the incident were clear.
The other thing that the police did that Kingsnoke finds really weird is the fact that the police made no real effort to identify Trayvon after the incident. They put his body in a morgue under the name John Doe until he was identified by his parents when they were filling out a missing persons form. Trayvon had a cell phone on him, and had the police made any effort to identify him they could have.
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Sorry, there are no witnesses that support the so called shooting an "innocent" Martin. theory.

From the LA Times:

As Florida braced itself for what could be the biggest day of protest yet in the Trayvon Martin case, police revealed new details that depict the slain 17-year-old as the aggressor and appear to support George Zimmerman's claim that he was acting in self-defense when he shot the teenager.
Martin was killed one month ago today. That's one month of justice denied, according to protesters who are expected to amass throughout the day to continue their demand for Zimmerman's arrest in the Sanford, Fla. case.
A forum hosted by CNN commentator Roland Martin is being held at noon today in that city, followed by a 4 p.m. rally that is expected to draw thousands. Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson plans to lead protesters to the Sanford City Commission meeting being held this evening, and attended by the slain teen's parents. And students at Florida State University, the University of Florida and Florida A&M University will hold rallies on their campuses.
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that police sources say Martin was the aggressor on Feb. 26, knocking Zimmerman to the ground with a single punch and then climbing on top of the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain and slamming the back of his head into the ground. Police say this account, given by Zimmerman, is supported by eyewitnesses, according to the Sentinel's report.
One such witness reportedly told police that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, striking the man, while Zimmerman cried out for help. The attack left Zimmerman bloodied, police sources told the Sentinel, and led him to fire at Martin in self-defense.
Police say Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a fat lip and confirm that the back of his head was cut. He received first aid at the scene but refused to go to the hospital and received medical treatment the following day, according to the Sentinel's sources.
The Sentinel's story also makes public new details about the circumstances leading up to the deadly confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.
At the time, Martin was suspended from high school after he was found to be in possession of an empty marijuana baggie, according to the Sentinel. Martin's school has a "zero-tolerance" drug policy, the newspaper added.
Zimmerman was heading to the grocery store when he spotted Martin and called police to report a black youth acting suspiciously, possibly on drugs.
Zimmerman stepped out of his SUV to follow Martin, even though a police dispatcher told him he didn't need to do so.
Zimmerman told police he he'd lost sight of Martin and was heading back to his car when the youth suddenly stepped into his path. According to the Sentinel, Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cellphone. Martin then said something like, "Well, you do now" and punched him, according to the Sentinel's sources.

Even the Zimmerman's story that is not verified makes sense. Was not the confrontation heard on Zimmerman's cell phone? WHy would he hunt a kid down and then call 911 and not talk to them?
Makes more sense he would try to call 911 when confronted and then had the living stuffing knocked out of him.

The details are pretty clear. They were just not released to the public. Everyone rushed to an assumption before they knew the facts, which the police did know.
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Ha giving the footage of Zimmerman the night of after the police too him in, Zimmerman had NO injures. If he was truly getting a beat down like he said then the guy shouldn't even be walking. Your ignoring that fact woo.

Also when trayvon body was in the morgue the examiner stated that there were NO bruises on trayvons hand. That would be impossible if he repeatedly hitting Zimmerman. Also the examiner stated that the way the gunshot had entered trayvons body, theres a strong possibility that this wasn't a point blank shot.
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That is grainy and is not dispositive. The police report is the police report. Zimmerman was treated for injuries.

You are looking for excuses now. It is certainly possible to punch someone without brusiing your hand. Not to mention banging someone's head agaisnt the ground does not require punching.

Edit: Ohh and are we suppose to ignore the mug shot of Zimmerman that we have already seen that backes up his injuries? ALso ,blows up the story that Zimmerman wasn't arrested. Unless being coffed and brought to the police station was for a tea party.
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If Martin was "supposedly" on top and beating him then why do several witness reports state that they found Zimmerman outside their home on top of Martin.

Oh and did we forget the part where the police didn't even try to identify Martin even though they had his cell phone. His parents came in to file a report on him being missing and found him in the morgue. Great Police work there.

Wooster you are just Bullshitting and not taking all of the facts, only the ones you like.
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Wooster stop ignoring when I said that Immerman shouldn't even had movement in his body if he suffered that kind of beating. Your head being bashed to the ground over and over again, but you still have movement to pull out a gun, and pull the trigger? You still have the mobility to move on your own? Hell no
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If Martin was "supposedly" on top and beating him then why do several witness reports state that they found Zimmerman outside their home on top of Martin.

Oh and did we forget the part where the police didn't even try to identify Martin even though they had his cell phone. His parents came in to file a report on him being missing and found him in the morgue. Great Police work there.

Wooster you are just Bullshitting and not taking all of the facts, only the ones you like.
You say things, where is your proof?

How does that have anythign to do with anything?

So far I have been the only one with cited facts. Follow your own advice.
Innocent until proven guilty, good sir. You haven't even gotten beyond unfounded allegations yet.
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Wooster stop ignoring when I said that Immerman shouldn't even had movement in his body if he suffered that kind of beating. Your head being bashed to the ground over and over again, but you still have movement to pull out a gun, and pull the trigger? You still have the mobility to move on your own? Hell no
That is nonsensical.
Did you miss the part where is said he was treated, but then not go to the hospital until that next day? He was being beat on, explain how that would be impossible to reach for a gun and shoot.
Your arm is not your head.

He is another intersting fact, when police first let Martin's fater hear the tape, he said the person screaming for help was not his son. He later changed his story.
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Oh and ouch.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/

It is shame when a piece of evidence goes agaisnt you.
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