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Old 03-13-2012, 01:42 PM   #1
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Default Rinnegan theories everywhere?

Ok,Sharingan user can probably awaken the Rinnegan but the Rinnegan is not the final stage of Sharingan!

As we know,every stage of Sharingan has the same power as the one before plus some new unique powers.

1 tomoe Sharingan-Can copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc.
2 tomoe Sharingan-Can copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc. on higher level than the first
3 tomoe Sharingan-Can perfectly copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc,more advance than first two stages
Mangekyou Sharingan-power of the 3 tomoe + unique jutsus like Amaterasu.
Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan-power of the 3 tomoe + unique jutsus like Amaterasu plus eternal light(aka you can't go blind)

BUT
Rinnegan-Sees chakra,awakens some new unique jutsus like Shinra Tensei,it can't predict nor copy moves(as far as we know),doesn't grant the same jutsus like MS and EMS,it gives 6 paths powers etc.

Even a blind man can see that Rinnegan is not the final form of Sharingan! It doesn't even look like Sharingan!
Sharingan user can probably awaken the Rinnegan but the Rinnegan is not the final stage of Sharingan,it's a completely different Doujutsu granted to those who do i don't know what with themselves.
So those who support this can GTFO! I am annoyed -.-
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Default Re: Rinnegan theories everywhere?

Well, it's kind of complicated, even though they aren't really connected, nor in looks or abilities they might be CONNECTED. Please note that's just a theory that makes sense, but Kishi likes to be a troll doesn't he

Here's mine :
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It's very complicated.
It's not really sure but wait ..

Rikudo Sennin
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Uchiha Ancestor Senju Ancestor

Rikudo possessed the Rinnegan and had a great life force, also a great body.

Uchiha A. - inherited Rikudo's eyes = Rinnegan
Senju A. - inherited Rikudo's life force and body.

If the Uchiha possess the Sharingan, and their ancestor possessed the Rinnegan then it kind of means Sharingan's ORIGIN is the Rinnegan.

So it is : Sharingan - > Mangekyo Sharingan - > Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan - > Rinnegan.

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When U. Ancestor's face was shown, it wasn't exactly the pattern of the Rinnegan, it was twirled, same as Uzumaki Clan's Logo.

Later then, in the anime, that eye had the color of Byakugan.
Also stated by Hiruzen / Kakashi (not sure) : Byakugan is the origin of the Sharingan.

And since the U. Ancestor is the Ancestor of the Uchiha, and the Uchiha possess the Sharingan, that assumption is true.
U. Ancestor's eyes are a mutation of Rinnegan and Byakugan.

Byakugan has no levels.
Sharingan has. And the final one is the Rinnegan.


U. Ancestor's Dojutsu : Rinnegan (Sharingan at its highest level) + Byakugan.
That's it. But it's like a mutation, definetely not the same power as the Rinnegan I think.
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Something extra.

After all that explained, and also the Byakugan having a relation with Sharingan, both deriving from one MAN, it means the Hyuga and Uchiha are related. Only exception is that the Hyuga don't have the Uchiha Hatred, but instead they have the Will of Fire. Basically the U. Ancestor is more RELATED to the Uchiha than the Hyuga.

Also stated, the Senju and Uzumaki are related.
Since the S. Ancestor inherited the Sage's lifeforce, body, physical energy and also was a kind MAN he is also related to the Uzumaki.

Uzumaki is a clan known for their Fuinjutsu, also for their great body strength and lifeforce.
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Yep! Agree with it.. It makes sense.. like I said before the pattern of evolution from 1 tomoe to EMS doesnt add up to Rinnegan at all.. The presentation and abilities between the two doujutsu are so different..

Also check these facts..

1. Nagato didnt use any Sharringan jutsu..

2. Tobi kept right eye Sharringan and left eye Rinnegan..
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Yep! Agree with it.. It makes sense.. like I said before the pattern of evolution from 1 tomoe to EMS doesnt add up to Rinnegan at all.. The presentation and abilities between the two doujutsu are so different..

Also check these facts..

1. Nagato didnt use any Sharringan jutsu..

2. Tobi kept right eye Sharringan and left eye Rinnegan..
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If Rinnegan is an advance form of Sharingan then why didn't Tobi take both Rinne eyes?
Why did he leave one simple Sharingan?
Simple:Cuz Rinnegan doesn't have the same power as the Sharingan has.
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Yep! Agree with it.. It makes sense.. like I said before the pattern of evolution from 1 tomoe to EMS doesnt add up to Rinnegan at all.. The presentation and abilities between the two doujutsu are so different..

Also check these facts..

1. Nagato didnt use any Sharringan jutsu..

2. Tobi kept right eye Sharringan and left eye Rinnegan..
That's because Tobi doesn't have Mangekyou. Or so we think.
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Isn't there a Rinnegan with tomoe on the lines of the rinnegan? Thats probably the last stage
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Isn't there a Rinnegan with tomoe on the lines of the rinnegan? Thats probably the last stage
Juubi's eye.

Sage of the Six had a normal Rinnegan.
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Isn't there a Rinnegan with tomoe on the lines of the rinnegan? Thats probably the last stage
That's the juubi's eye, but I don't think anyone has ever gotten that form
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Ok,Sharingan user can probably awaken the Rinnegan but the Rinnegan is not the final stage of Sharingan!

As we know,every stage of Sharingan has the same power as the one before plus some new unique powers.

1 tomoe Sharingan-Can copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc.
2 tomoe Sharingan-Can copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc. on higher level than the first
3 tomoe Sharingan-Can perfectly copy and predict moves,see chakra flow etc,more advance than first two stages
Mangekyou Sharingan-power of the 3 tomoe + unique jutsus like Amaterasu.
Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan-power of the 3 tomoe + unique jutsus like Amaterasu plus eternal light(aka you can't go blind)

BUT
Rinnegan-Sees chakra,awakens some new unique jutsus like Shinra Tensei,it can't predict nor copy moves(as far as we know),doesn't grant the same jutsus like MS and EMS,it gives 6 paths powers etc.

Even a blind man can see that Rinnegan is not the final form of Sharingan! It doesn't even look like Sharingan!
Sharingan user can probably awaken the Rinnegan but the Rinnegan is not the final stage of Sharingan,it's a completely different Doujutsu granted to those who do i don't know what with themselves.
So those who support this can GTFO! I am annoyed -.-
I`ve been saying the same thing about the whole doujutsu story. I think the ultimate doujutsu is 10 tail`s eye. Also if u want u can read my opinions just check my account and what threads and comments i`ve posted. I think they`ll be in use of u, i mean they are very interesting. Check them out .

I think SO6P didnt have 10 tails doujutsu because there used to be hostility between them. Just like Naruto and Kurama. When they didnt like each other Naruto used only his Kurma Chakra Cloak/Form. But when they became allied Naruto entered his full Kurama mode.
And if SO6P made Juubi a firend of his he`d have gained 10 tails eyes.
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Eyes, eyes, eyes!

I also think there is a higher evolution of dojutsu. I mean, if Sharingan goes to Mangekyo Sharingan, maybe the Rinnegan has a Mangekyo-like form, so I agree with that.

Only dojutsu's we haven't had any clarification on are the Elder Son's spiral eyes and the 10 tails eyes. IMO tobi has access to better dojutsu than Sharingan and Rinnegan, that's got to be his trump card.
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Yep! Agree with it.. It makes sense.. like I said before the pattern of evolution from 1 tomoe to EMS doesnt add up to Rinnegan at all.. The presentation and abilities between the two doujutsu are so different..

Also check these facts..

1. Nagato didnt use any Sharringan jutsu..

2. Tobi kept right eye Sharringan and left eye Rinnegan..
Tobi stated that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato, if that was true, then that's the only reason Nagato didn't use a Sharingan Jutsu, and if he didn't possess the Sharingan at all it means he couldn't use any.

If you just give the eye, it doesn't need to evolve, or it could, if you're skilled enough (like Kakashi when he got MS), but since Rinnegan is the highest level Nagato had no need to evolve it.

Also, Nagato had the Rinnegan activated all time, if it was a natural possesser of the Rinnegan (having Sharingan, etc.) just like Madara, he'd have the ability to turn it off.

Same as Kakashi, he has the Sharingan implanted therefore he can't turn it off.

Tobi kept his Sharingan so he can use Sharingan Jutsu + his teleportation Jutsu which is his BEST move.

Also, we've seen Madara use Susano'o while having the RINNEGAN activated. That is truly awesome, also a proof that RINNEGAN is the final level of Sharingan.
Basically the Rinnegan also grants the powers of MS but Nagato never had those powers therefore he didn't use them, because he never had the Sharingan and have it evolve to the Rinnegan like Madara did.

Nailed it.
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Tobi stated that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato, if that was true, then that's the only reason Nagato didn't use a Sharingan Jutsu, and if he didn't possess the Sharingan at all it means he couldn't use any.

If you just give the eye, it doesn't need to evolve, or it could, if you're skilled enough (like Kakashi when he got MS), but since Rinnegan is the highest level Nagato had no need to evolve it.

Also, Nagato had the Rinnegan activated all time, if it was a natural possesser of the Rinnegan (having Sharingan, etc.) just like Madara, he'd have the ability to turn it off.

Same as Kakashi, he has the Sharingan implanted therefore he can't turn it off.

Tobi kept his Sharingan so he can use Sharingan Jutsu + his teleportation Jutsu which is his BEST move.

Also, we've seen Madara use Susano'o while having the RINNEGAN activated. That is truly awesome, also a proof that RINNEGAN is the final level of Sharingan.
Basically the Rinnegan also grants the powers of MS but Nagato never had those powers therefore he didn't use them, because he never had the Sharingan and have it evolve to the Rinnegan like Madara did.

Nailed it.

Your explaining it too much making this issue so confusing..

The eye transplant is out of the equation here.. So just get rid of that about turning it off and on or whatever..

Read this between the lines.. This is so simple..

If the final form of Sharringan is Rinnegan.. Then Rinnegan should have been carrying other abilities that Sharringan has right?

Also Nagato and Tobi's Rinnegan came from one single person and that is Madara.. Madara evolved it to Rinnegan which has Sharringan base and when get transplanted to Nagato or Tobi then suddenly they can't use any Sharringan jutsu from their Rinnegan eye? That's stupid..
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Not stupid.

If you have Sharingan naturally you can turn it off.
Transplated -- can't turn it off.


Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato.
Nagato had Rinnegan non-stop (can't turn it off) , also couldn't use Sharingan jutsu because he didn't have Sharingan and have it evolve to RINNEGAN.

Madara had EMS , evolved to Rinnegan and right now he's using Susano'o with Rinnegan like a boss.

U. Ancestor's Dojutsu : Rinnegan (Final Form of Sharingan) + Byakugan -- a mutation of these two.
That's how the Uchiha have the Sharingan.

Madara has evovled Rinnegan starting from the Sharingan.
Tobi had it evolved too (I think) then gave it to Nagato.
Nagato had just Rinnegan / not evovled.
Tobi takes back the Rinnegan and now he can't turn it off / has it transplanted.


Basically the Rinnegan does have the powers of Sharingan, if one has the skill to use them or the knowledge of their existence. Nagato had no idea about Sharingan Jutsu, therefore he didn't use them, he also didn't possess the Sharingan, therefore he couldn't use those Jutsu.

Madara is the only one to have Sharingan and finally get Rinnegan.
The only reason his Susano'o is still activated while his Rinnegan is too because the Sharingan's final form is RINNEGAN.

Even though Sharingan doesn't look like Rinnegan at all, they are still related. Kishi just wanted to make a major diversion so that people don't know, and later he revealed that Sharingan leads to Rinnegan.
Also, it's engraved in the Uchiha Tablet that the one that possesses EMS can later achieve Rinnegan (it's also explained how) and the only ones that can read it are the ones that possess EMS.

Calling me / my theory / my opinion stupid isn't really a good act.

It's my opinion and I do think that it deserves to be respected. I will believe that Sharingan's final form is Rinnegan if you would explain it by details and also turn down my theory. That's when I will change my mind.
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Geez! The Off and On thingy has nothing to do with Rinnegan being the final form of Sharringan.. Why keep on discussing that.?

Its already confirmed long time ago that when a certain doujutsu got transplanted it never turns off.. so whats the connection of this topic to the Rinnegan being the final form debate? I'll wait for your explanation on this..


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What!!!!? Seriously!?? Evolved it from where?? from what?? Could you elaborate on this..

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It's my opinion and I do think that it deserves to be respected. I will believe that Sharingan's final form is Rinnegan if you would explain it by details and also turn down my theory. That's when I will change my mind..
Lol.. I just realized this..

Well in my perception..

The common rule of evolution is when something evolved to final stage.. It would be the Final form has to be the best and the strongest.. Means whatever abilities of the base should be carried over to the final form..

Example is EMS.. it carried all of Sharringan base abilities..

1 tomoe - predict movement
2 tomoe - copy techniquies and predict movement
3 tomoe - more advanced of 2 tomoe abilities
MS - 3 tomoe abilities + Susanoo' + Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi
EMS - Infinite MS abilities

now.. if the Rinnegan is the final stage it should be like this..

Rinnegan - EMS abilities + Six paths jutsu..

however Nagato had Rinnegan as well but he never used any of Sharringan jutsu.. Knowing that he's Rinnegan came from Madara who has a based form of Sharringan.. So if what youre saying Rinnegan is the final form then we should have been seeing Nagato spamming susanoo' like Madara is doing..

Madara was able to cast anything is just because of the fact that He had sharringan eyes to begin with.. He activated the normal Sharringan first then EMS then Rinnegan..

I think his EMS is still active deep inside his Rinnegan eyes.. like a contact lense.. LoL
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:07 PM   #15
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Concerning Nagato, that's where exactly the transplation thingy comes in.
Rinnegan = EMS abilities + Six Paths + other Rinnegan Only Jutsu.

Also, concerning Tobi's evolving thing (I am most definetely not sure about this and I stated that I THINK about it, but most chances say it is not true)

Also the connection of transplantation :

As seen - Kakashi's Case :

Kakashi had his Sharingan transplated from Obito to him.
Kakashi keeps his Sharingan hidden and closed so it doesn't drain his chakra.
Kakashi cannot turn off the Sharingan and keep a normal eye.


Nagato's Case :

Tobi gives Nagato the Rinnegan (both eyes)
Apparently, the Rinnegan doesn't drain the chakra (surprising).
Nagato's Rinnegan is always ON, can't be turned off.
Nagato cannot use MS / EMS jutsu because he never possessed the Sharingan, therefore he has no knowledge about EMS jutsu.
Nagato had no knowledge about the Rinnegan being the final stage of Sharingan.


According to Madara / Kabuto, in the Uchiha tablet it is explained on how to obtain the Rinnegan.
Only people with EMS can read that certain part.
Uchiha Tablet is a monument left behind by Rikudo Sennin (or the U. Ancestor, it is unknown).

I noted that it was Tobi who gave the Rinnegan and not Nagato (unknown on how Tobi got the Rinnegan, maybe when Madara died since they were accomplices).

Nagato was still a baby during the time he obtained it, so he didn't know anything about Tobi or how he got his eyes.
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:46 PM   #16
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Nagato cannot use MS / EMS jutsu because he never possessed the Sharingan, therefore he has no knowledge about EMS jutsu.
Just because Nagato didnt posses Sharinggan doesnt mean that he has no knowledge about it..

Before Itachi died.. Sasuke never possess EMS and yet you can see him spamming Susanoo and Amaterasu now.. once you've acquired the required eyes you will be able to use all of its abilities with no problem..

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Again using your own logic.. Nagato had no knowledge of Rinnegan as well.. It was just a myth until he awakened it.. See my point? Its weird that he learned only the power of Rinnegan and not the power of Sharringan.. Like I said once you've acquired the required eyes you will be able to use all of its abilities w/o problem..

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I noted that it was Tobi who gave the Rinnegan and not Nagato (unknown on how Tobi got the Rinnegan, maybe when Madara died since they were accomplices).
Still its Madara's Rinnegan with a base form of Sharringan..
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We didn't see Nagato's eyes before he killed those 2 Konoha Shinobi. How do we know that he didn't have the Rinnegan?
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Look.. Nagato's eyes (Rinnegan) never turned off.. which means its transplanted .. You tackled that with your own theory right?
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Yes they are transplanted. He got the Rinnegan directly, without having the Sharingan first and then have it EVOLVE to the Rinnegan.

That's the basic reason he had no knowledge of Sharingan Jutsu. He also didn't know about Rinnegan being the final stage of Sharingan.
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Yes they are transplanted. He got the Rinnegan directly, without having the Sharingan first and then have it EVOLVE to the Rinnegan.

That's the basic reason he had no knowledge of Sharingan Jutsu. He also didn't know about Rinnegan being the final stage of Sharingan.
You're still not getting it.. Scroll up a bit and read my previous post again..

You said Rinnegan is the final stage.. Nagato had it which is the final stage as you said.. He can access high level jutsu's but He CAN'T access lower level jutsu?

Comman man.. What kind of logic is that..

All of eye jutsu's doesnt require knowledge that much it will auto populate inside your system at the same time when you get certain doujutsu.. You just need the eyes.. In fact Sasuke never trained when he start spamming Susanoo and Amaterasu..

When Kakashi got his sharringan from Obito.. He was able to use it right away in the middle of the war with no training..

Thus, by getting the eyes.. knowledge comes along with it.. No need to search no need to train..

You just need the eyes baby.. the eyes..
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