The Bleachverse and the DBZverse

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by colorles

seems post was deleted, very well

anyways though 'waterluffyG2'..'good point' as 'fighting entire fight in less that second' seems kinda 'vague', so wateva

anyways though, since i wont post links now, gotenks 'flying around the world' is still somewhat disputed, although a thread on MVC addressing this

theres a recent thread at MVC addressing some of the 'speeds' (but not limmited too) in DragonBall, but wateva it was in the post in this thread that was deleted so wateva

yeah you will cease mentioning that site on this forum and promoting their ideals..

your trolling corlorless that's all you do and I will not be tolerating it any more from you..are we clear? Contribute in a meaningful capacity or I'll be getting you out of here sooner or later

[colorles]

very well

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by colorles

very well

thank you

I welcome a return to actual debating by you..like you used too around here once upon a time

[Vongolatheeleventh]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Okay, let's go into powerscaling logic. Let's assume Byakuya is hypersonic, since he blitzed Ichigo and Ganju. Bankai Ichigo was blitzing Byakuya, so he is mid hypersonic. Hollow mask Bankai Ichigo is high hypersonic, since he was blitzing Grimmjow who was laughing at Bankai Ichigo. Ulquiorra in second release was roflblitzing Ichigo in Hollow mask, so he is massively hypersonic. V2 Hollow Ichigo was blitzing Ulquiorra, so he is ultra hypersonic. Anyone around that, such as base Aizen is massively hypersonic.

(Well there you go I tried, this is my last post on the topic of Bleach vs DBZ)

DBZ has presented by far better speed feats and durability feats. The only thing bleach has on the DBZverse is DBZ has little cutting durability feats. I'd stick to low end DBZ characters vs high end Bleach if anything though.

Originally Posted by Colorles

also Ichigo in bankai deflecting thousands of byakuyas petals coming at him simultatnosly from multi-sides and angles, in whats portrayed as notably fast

Portrayal means nothing in legitmate comparisons. Anything can be portrayed as anything the author wants. The flower petals were an impressive feat in Bleachverse. It wouldn't however, be an impressive feat is performed by a DBZ character (Since they have limited swordsmen, lets say like Trunks).

[colorles]

Bleach has its 'portrayals'..DBZ has its 'portrayals'

[Vongolatheeleventh]

It's true, but what is impressive in one verse wouldn't be considered impressive towards another. That's all I mean

[colorles]

Originally Posted by Vongolatheeleventh

It's true, but what is impressive in one verse wouldn't be considered impressive towards another. That's all I mean

yeah

"whats impressive in one verse wouldn't be impressive towards another"....indeed, if the two verse in question are portrayed 'differently'. it seems your 'getting at' that, well for example, lets say shinigami Aizen is portrayed as a 'god' in his own verse ; however, would shinigami Aizen be considered a 'god' in DBZ due to being considered a 'god' in Bleach? perhaps not. this is just an example of what you seem to be getting at. each verse has its own portrayals in this sense

thus characters being portrayed in their respective verse as things like 'gods' in comparison to their own verse doesnt really compare well to other verses

however, direct portrayal of a characters abilities and capabilities is essentially what 'really matters' in vs debating

[Vongolatheeleventh]

Originally Posted by colorles

yeah
direct portrayal of a characters abilities and capabilities is essentially what 'really matters' in vs debating [/U][/SIZE][/FONT]

It's not the portrayal that matters at all. It's only the abilities and capabilities that were demonstrated in comparison to the contrasting opposition.

[colorles]

Originally Posted by Vongolatheeleventh

It's the abilities and capabilities as are portrayed in the canon sources,,in comparison to the contrasting opposition.

yep..

[waterluffyG2]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Okay, let's go into powerscaling logic. Let's assume Byakuya is hypersonic, since he blitzed Ichigo and Ganju. Bankai Ichigo was blitzing Byakuya, so he is mid hypersonic. Hollow mask Bankai Ichigo is high hypersonic, since he was blitzing Grimmjow who was laughing at Bankai Ichigo. Ulquiorra in second release was roflblitzing Ichigo in Hollow mask, so he is massively hypersonic. V2 Hollow Ichigo was blitzing Ulquiorra, so he is ultra hypersonic. Anyone around that, such as base Aizen is massively hypersonic.

(Well there you go I tried, this is my last post on the topic of Bleach vs DBZ)

Powerscaling doesn't work like that. Blitzing just shows he is faster, not how much faster. You do realise the huge gap between hypersonic and massivly hypersonic, don't you?

[the endless]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Okay, let's go into powerscaling logic. Let's assume Byakuya is hypersonic, since he blitzed Ichigo and Ganju. Bankai Ichigo was blitzing Byakuya, so he is mid hypersonic. Hollow mask Bankai Ichigo is high hypersonic, since he was blitzing Grimmjow who was laughing at Bankai Ichigo. Ulquiorra in second release was roflblitzing Ichigo in Hollow mask, so he is massively hypersonic. V2 Hollow Ichigo was blitzing Ulquiorra, so he is ultra hypersonic. Anyone around that, such as base Aizen is massively hypersonic.

(Well there you go I tried, this is my last post on the topic of Bleach vs DBZ)

Okay let's go by your logic.
Tao is mach 14 which is hypersonic+, Tao was blitzed by Tien at 23rd Budokai so Tien is ultra hypersonic, Tien was blitzed by Piccolo so Piccolo is massively hypersonic, Piccolo was blitzed by Raditz so Raditz is massively hypersonic+, Nappa easily blitzed Raditz level fighter so Nappa is high-end massively hypersonic, Nappa was blitzed by over 8000 Goku so this Goku is relativistic, Vegeta who's equal to kaioken Goku was blitzed by Zarbon so Zarbon is relativistic+, everyone I mentioned couldn't react to 1st form Frieza so he's light speed, ssj1 blitzed 4th form Frieza so he's FTL, Androids blitzed ssj1 level fighters so they are FTL+, Perfect Cell blitzed fpssj Goku so he's massively FTL, ssj2 Gohan bltzed Cell so he's massively FTL+, Buu blitzed them all so he's nearly omnipresent, Vegito blitzed Buu so he's omnipresent

In short, this logic fails really hard

[Devils Lawyer]

Bleach for the most part can't even be calced. Db for the part had good and easy feats to calc. Bleach calcs are often time some graph someone did to please people. Bleach has hardly any real world correlations to use as feats. Same goes for Naruto the most solid speed feat has to be guy gated feat.

Alot of calcs is bs in my opinion. Especially for manga. Most of it is stylized and hardly stand on solid ground. Certain series is suspect. Yu yu hakusho is a prime example of this.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Yu yu hakusho is a prime example of this.

agreed Yu Yu hakusho is a nightmare to quantify even if your just ignoring calcs and going by feats

for example one of the best calcs has S classes physically stronger than first form Freiza and faster then Zarbon

of course they'd be horribly raped due to energy projection and destructive capacity but one of the most well done calcs has them put above in brute force people who can kill them with a mere gesture

and then you have all the statements about planet and universe busting power

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

agreed Yu Yu hakusho is a nightmare to quantify even if your just ignoring calcs and going by feats

for example one of the best calcs has S classes physically stronger than first form Freiza and faster then Zarbon

of course they'd be horribly raped due to energy projection and destructive capacity but one of the most well done calcs has them put above in brute force people who can kill them with a mere gesture

and then you have all the statements about planet and universe busting power

That goes hand and hand with the fact they don't use normal attacks. Kinda hard to calc weird ass attacks. Bleach falls into the same category because of thier attacks.

[megabbaut]

/recalls Aizen vs Raditz

How was this a stomp again? Imagine Aizen in Raditz's scenario when he died

/Kyoka Suigetsu

Goku: OMG YOU MADE PICCOLO KILL MY SON I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOU AIZEN YOU BASTARD

Goku lets his guard down and gets blitzed and sliced in half

(I know this isn't how the real fight would go since I guess now we all know that Aizen would be rapestomped)

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

That goes hand and hand with the fact they don't use normal attacks. Kinda hard to calc weird ass attacks. Bleach falls into the same category because of thier attacks.

no you can quantify their attacks the issue comes when you try to calc say striking power off the feat where Sensui upper cut Yusuke and leveled the plateau by proxy

is that a result of the physical strength of Sensuis blows? or was it chi based? Chi in YYH has a really wide array of odd affects to the environment and the line between meta physical and physical is blurred a great deal for those who are spiritually aware..

and that to me always made it hard to quantify - whether Sensui has say high mid tier strength or that was just his energies interacted with the environment augmenting his strength

there are other examples as well

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

no you can quantify their attacks the issue comes when you try to calc say striking power off the feat where Sensui upper cut Yusuke and leveled the plateau by proxy

is that a result of the physical strength of Sensuis blows? or was it chi based? Chi in YYH has a really wide array of odd affects to the environment and the line between meta physical and physical is blurred a great deal for those who are spiritually aware..

and that to me always made it hard to quantify - whether Sensui has say high mid tier strength or that was just his energies interacted with the environment augmenting his strength

there are other examples as well

I have to disagree. I would say that the scene was a clear demonstration of both of their powers colliding together. Now saying each can display that type of power on their own is the real question in my opinion. I would say yes. But that it is limited to a degree. I disagree with Yusuke outputting that on the regular. He ususally goes all out and ends up hitting E.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I have to disagree. I would say that the scene was a clear demonstration of both of their powers colliding together. Now saying each can display that type of power on their own is the real question in my opinion. I would say yes. But that it is limited to a degree. I disagree with Yusuke outputting that on the regular. He ususally goes all out and ends up hitting E.

no the plateau busting was a clear cut punch

your thinking of the titty mountain that they dual busted

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Actually, if I would add my personal made character in Naruto, actually if Kishi would, Goku would be no match, basically I created a jutsu he can use that can destroy 5 Nations at once.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

Actually, if I would add my personal made character in Naruto, actually if Kishi would, Goku would be no match, basically I created a jutsu he can use that can destroy 5 Nations at once.

we don't entertain fan fiction here

but if you seriously think leveling a few small nations is gonna impress anyone above king King piccollo your sadly mistaken