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Old 02-11-2012, 08:12 PM   #1
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Question For the Fantasy lovers! :Eregon and Saphira vs Earendil and Throndor

The man who killed Galbatorix and his magical dragon

vs Earendil father of Elrond and Elros and basically the mack daddy grand pappy of the line of the sea kings..and slayer of a dragon the size of three mount Everest.. riding Thondor the 182 foot jumbo jet sized eagle and personal pet bird of Manwe!

battle takes place on the same battlegrounds where Eregon slew Durza The Shade..

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Eragon kills himself, naturally.
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^ while saphira pleasures herself at the though of her new master?
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No Saphira kills herself too.
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^ while saphira pleasures herself at the though of her new master?
the question is will Earendil keep her as the new family pet? or Will he allow Throndor to take her

I mean I'm sure he'd got kids to feed being

edit- COP BK and anyone else in the thread..how big is Saphira? Because Throndor was rocking a hundred and eighty foot wingspan according to some material is he literally big enough to grab her in his talons and just drop her from a high height after shredding her wings like modern Eagles will do? Or can she actually physically fight him and wrestle him

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If said opponents can get mind raped they lose no matter their size. Now if they can resist then they win. The fight is that simple. Oh yeah needs to be a powerful magician.
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edit- COP BK and anyone else in the thread..how big is Saphira? Because Throndor was rocking a hundred and eighty foot wingspan according to some material is he literally big enough to grab her in his talons and just drop her from a high height after shredding her wings like modern Eagles will do? Or can she actually physically fight him and wrestle him
I don't know the number but not big enough. Even the remaining dragon that survived from the time when Darth Sidious destroyed the Jedis wasn't much bigger than Saphira, who Luke Skywalker isn't utterly dwarfed by.
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If said opponents can get mind raped they lose no matter their size. Now if they can resist then they win. The fight is that simple. Oh yeah needs to be a powerful magician.
Earendil could be susceptible to mindrape being half-elf, half-human, thus possessing the frailties of created ones. Throndor may not even be a simple mega-eagle. If he's even Maiar-class, he'd have helped somewhat in bringing forth creation. So I think he'd be largely immune to such as that. Now facing off against Saphira is another matter, but his majestic spread would inspire awe in her, and leave her vulnerable to an osprey strike to the face.
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I don't know the number but not big enough. Even the remaining dragon that survived from the time when Darth Sidious destroyed the Jedis wasn't much bigger than Saphira, who Luke Skywalker isn't utterly dwarfed by.
right and IIRC she had trouble carrying two people correct?


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Earendil could be susceptible to mindrape being half-elf, half-human, thus possessing the frailties of created ones.
to be fair his two sons were crack telepaths from a family of crack telepaths..Elros and every other Numenorian related to him were prescients...and Elrond is only exceeded in mental fortitude by Galadriel Gandalf and Saruman

those three can mind rape across countries and can even affect intangible objects..

While Earendil himself has no feats it's hard to believe Eregon could take him out with a generic mind rape..it'd have to be very top notch and there's no guaranteeing him not being able to defend that


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Throndor may not even be a simple mega-eagle. If he's even Maiar-class, he'd have helped somewhat in bringing forth creation. So I think he'd be largely immune to such as that.
while he wasn't Manwe's top herald (that was Eonwe ) he was his chief source of information and intel on middle earth but suffice to say he wasn't a generic if very large bird

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Now facing off against Saphira is another matter, but his majestic spread would inspire awe in her, and leave her vulnerable to an osprey strike to the face.
I can imagine her being awed by him

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Been forever since I read the books but that sounds about right.
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Been forever since I read the books but that sounds about right.
so thirty to forty foot range

‘Now, even as Fingon bent his bow, there flew down from the high airs Thorondor, King of Eagles, mightiest of all birds that have ever been, whose outstretched wings spanned thirty fathoms; and staying Fingon’s hand he took him up, and bore him to the face of the rock where Maedhros hung.

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right and IIRC she had trouble carrying two people correct?




to be fair his two sons were crack telepaths from a family of crack telepaths..Elros and every other Numenorian related to him were prescients...and Elrond is only exceeded in mental fortitude by Galadriel Gandalf and Saruman

those three can mind rape across countries and can even affect intangible objects..

While Earendil himself has no feats it's hard to believe Eregon could take him out with a generic mind rape..it'd have to be very top notch and there's no guaranteeing him not being able to defend that




while he wasn't Manwe's top herald (that was Eonwe ) he was his chief source of information and intel on middle earth but suffice to say he wasn't a generic if very large bird



I can imagine her being awed by him
You pretty much described the level of Eragon mind and power by the end of the series. His mind was capable of grasping entire massive cities and all life forms. A kingdom or a region is the minimum on the abilityXazavier can even handle that much without the aid of cerebro. Though most elves in series has a decent mental fortitude. But the majority of inheritance fighting centered around mind breaking. This fight outcome id dictated by how powerful the bird is. Magical resistance and all that.
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right and IIRC she had trouble carrying two people correct?




to be fair his two sons were crack telepaths from a family of crack telepaths..Elros and every other Numenorian related to him were prescients...and Elrond is only exceeded in mental fortitude by Galadriel Gandalf and Saruman

those three can mind rape across countries and can even affect intangible objects..

While Earendil himself has no feats it's hard to believe Eregon could take him out with a generic mind rape..it'd have to be very top notch and there's no guaranteeing him not being able to defend that




while he wasn't Manwe's top herald (that was Eonwe ) he was his chief source of information and intel on middle earth but suffice to say he wasn't a generic if very large bird



I can imagine her being awed by him
Such a shame about that Morgoth fellow...

I'll have to dig into my hard copies, but I think the eagles were only eagles in form. I may be wrong on that...

Aye, it may even humble her, but I think that's asking too much. Also, I'm glad you actually responded to that part--most people would just think I'm trolling due to syntax.

[QUOTE=The Immortal Watch Dog;5906873]so thirty to forty foot range

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Ah, what the crap? Half my crap got nixed.
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Ah, what the crap? Half my crap got nixed.
copyright defense thing...you gotta post any book text plain and maybe bolded but that's it and usually with a foreward by yourself after it

and yeah some of the Eagles were Maiar at least and Thondor was esentially Manwe's cheif herald on ME basically Eonwe's second in command or something
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copyright defense thing...you gotta post any book text plain and maybe bolded but that's it and usually with a foreward by yourself after it

and yeah some of the Eagles were Maiar at least and Thondor was esentially Manwe's cheif herald on ME basically Eonwe's second in command or something
I don't recall posting much more than saying 30 fathoms was about 180 feet.

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I have no idea why that'd be worth deleting..good lord

although if you want to speculate a little more I'd say the look of sheer terror on Saphiras little blue face when a 747 sized Eagle blocks out the sun above her wings fully spread and ready to dive
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I hear dragon tastes like chicken. At least, when Cajuns cook it. Next chapter of LotR: Throndor's Day at the Bayou.
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I have no idea why that'd be worth deleting..good lord

although if you want to speculate a little more I'd say the look of sheer terror on Saphiras little blue face when a 747 sized Eagle blocks out the sun above her wings fully spread and ready to dive
Doubtful 747 can get took out by a an f-15. Which is why I am debating this fight. LOTR may be the superior novel but it's still debatable which of the two groups in this thread is more powerful.
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Earendil could be susceptible to mindrape being half-elf, half-human, thus possessing the frailties of created ones. Throndor may not even be a simple mega-eagle. If he's even Maiar-class, he'd have helped somewhat in bringing forth creation. So I think he'd be largely immune to such as that. Now facing off against Saphira is another matter, but his majestic spread would inspire awe in her, and leave her vulnerable to an osprey strike to the face.
Resistance is not the only factor. How powerful said resistance is and magical capabilities. Size is not really a factor. He can easily get torched in his eyes and Saphira scales are are stronger than armor. I have read both series. LOTR is better but overall from what I read only a few characters have more powerful abilities than Eragon.

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