Nagato vs Madara

[Dr Salt]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

true but he can only use it twice so say for the sake of argument nagato uses shira tensei to survive one meteor and the laser from the asura path to possibly split the other in half and madara used that izanagi twice because he thought it would hit both times.

You honestly think Asura path could split a meteor in half?

Gaara and Onoki had to combine their two strongest area Jutsu just to hold one of them up. If Onoki can't destroy it with Dust Release, how is a laser going to split one in half?

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Dr Salt

You honestly think Asura path could split a meteor in half?

Gaara and Onoki had to combine their two strongest area Jutsu just to hold one of them up. If Onoki can't destroy it with Dust Release, how is a laser going to split one in half?

I'm going to correct you here the old man used up his chakra so he couldn't use the dust jutsu so we don't know if he could destroy it or not go look at the manga and tell me where you see him using the dust element on the meteor. Second the one him and gaara stopped he made lighter that had no effect on the second one he brought down on top of it.

In the end it's just a gigantic rock, as you may already know lasers can cut through steel so a giant boulder even at that size wouldn't be that hard to destroy.

[Dr Salt]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

I'm going to correct you here the old man used up his chakra so he couldn't use the dust jutsu so we don't know if he could destroy it or not go look at the manga and tell me where you see him using the dust element on the meteor. Second the one him and gaara stopped he made lighter that had no effect on the second one he brought down on top of it.

In the end it's just a gigantic rock, as you may already know lasers can cut through steel so a giant boulder even at that size wouldn't be that hard to destroy.

He had plenty of chakra, Tsunade healed him and Gaara before Madara dropped the meteors. He didn't use Dust Release because there was no chance it would work. He can carry Islands but he had no hope of destroying that Meteor, hence the combo attack.

You're looking at the Meteor like its a boulder. It's not a boulder. It is about 1000x larger than a boulder. That's like saying that because someone can destroy a toolshed, they can rip through a skyscraper. It doesn't work that way. Asura Path has never shown that much destructive power. Not even a fraction of what it would take to destroy that meteor, which was many many many many many times larger then Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, which took a menacing ball, Susanoo, and a Rasen-Shuriken to destroy.

The meteor itself was larger than Konoha, so I'm wondering why Pain just didn't use Asura Path to blow up the city.

Silly comment is silly.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Dr Salt

He had plenty of chakra, Tsunade healed him and Gaara before Madara dropped the meteors. He didn't use Dust Release because there was no chance it would work. He can carry Islands but he had no hope of destroying that Meteor, hence the combo attack.

You're looking at the Meteor like its a boulder. It's not a boulder. It is about 1000x larger than a boulder. That's like saying that because someone can destroy a toolshed, they can rip through a skyscraper. It doesn't work that way. Asura Path has never shown that much destructive power. Not even a fraction of what it would take to destroy that meteor, which was many many many many many times larger then Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, which took a menacing ball, Susanoo, and a Rasen-Shuriken to destroy.

The meteor itself was larger than Konoha, so I'm wondering why Pain just didn't use Asura Path to blow up the city.

Silly comment is silly.

Bro before you go on please read the manga you starting to look foolish. She didn't come until after the two meteors.

[Dr Salt]

Could be true. I only read that chapter once anyway. But it doesn't change the fact that you're claiming Asura path could destroy a Meteor. That's the foolish comment here.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Dr Salt

Could be true. I only read that chapter once anyway. But it doesn't change the fact that you're claiming Asura path could destroy a Meteor. That's the foolish comment here.

No it's not you are comparing the less powered up asura power, you don't know it's destructiveness when nagato himself is at full power with all the paths in him, so just saying it can't is the silly thing here.

[Dr Salt]

Asura's powers are only as great as the weapons he's equipped with. So unless he has a few nuclear missiles tucked away, he isn't doing much.

And even if he did manage to somehow split the gargantuan meteor with his puny laser, that just leaves 2 large falling objects instead of one. I don't know why you're arguing this.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

No it's not you are comparing the less powered up asura power, you don't know it's destructiveness when nagato himself is at full power with all the paths in him, so just saying it can't is the silly thing here.

That's not how things work here. Asura is only as strong as we have seen. Thus far, it only has a few rockets than make 10 meter explosions at best.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Dr Salt

Asura's powers are only as great as the weapons he's equipped with. So unless he has a few nuclear missiles tucked away, he isn't doing much.

And even if he did manage to somehow split the gargantuan meteor with his puny laser, that just leaves 2 large falling objects instead of one. I don't know why you're arguing this.

No buddy each of the paths are powered by chakra so the stronger the chakra the stronger the laser. Second if you split something falling from over you it doesn't fall in the same position but in two separate directions which means it wouldn't fall on top of you, and once again the jutsu would still kill madara as well since it would fall on him too, and he wouldn't be able to call down two because that move takes too much chakra and izanagi also takes too much chakra.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Wooster

That's not how things work here. Asura is only as strong as we have seen. Thus far, it only has a few rockets than make 10 meter explosions at best.

That would be nice if we were talking about the missiles but no its the laser and we're not talking about the ability when they were split up because as you saw when they were all inside of nagato each ability was much stronger. Also as you saw in the manga when he had all the abilities in him asura came fro his own boy so on the missiles comment you don't know how many he could make

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

That would be nice if we were talking about the missiles but no its the laser and we're not talking about the ability when they were split up because as you saw when they were all inside of nagato each ability was was much stronger.

We saw Asura too. It was faster not stronger and able to hold KB. That was the upgrade.

Besides drilling a 10mm X 10 mm hole in a city sized meteor even if all the way through, wouldn't do Nagato any good.

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

No buddy each of the paths are powered by chakra so the stronger the chakra the stronger the laser. Second if you split something falling from over you it doesn't fall in the same position but in two separate directions which means it wouldn't fall on top of you, and once again the jutsu would still kill madara as well since it would fall on him too, and he wouldn't be able to call down two because that move takes too much chakra and izanagi also takes too much chakra.

That is not how physics works. try again.

There is something called momentum. Which surprising a laser pulse does have even though it is light, but sadly it is parallel to the meteor trajectory not transverse. The two pieces would fall right next to each other. Not saying Asura could cut the meteor in half, it can't.

[Dr Salt]

It's like trying to teach physics to a monkey.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Wooster

We saw Asura too. It was faster not stronger and able to hold KB. That was the upgrade.

Besides drilling a 10mm X 10 mm hole in a city sized meteor even if all the way through, wouldn't do Nagato any good.

First why does everyone thing the blast from the laser or the missile would be that small, get more realistic people it would cause a greater hole than that.

Secondly if he stood in the path of the hole it would give him enough time to use the shira tensei to protect himself from the falling meteor.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Dr Salt

It's like trying to teach physics to a monkey.

it's like teaching common sense to a new born.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

First why does everyone thing the blast from the laser or the missile would be that small, get more realistic people it would cause a greater hole than that.

Secondly if he stood in the path of the hole it would give him enough time to use the shira tensei to protect himself from the falling meteor.

I am being realistic. A 10 mm x 10 mm laser pulse that can eat through rock is huge. That would be on the megawatt, minimum scale. For a 10 mm x 10 mm laser pulse to go though an entire meteor, probably TW or beyond. But I agree, it is unrealistic that Asura has a laser the power of a sun in his repertoire.

I knew Nagato was thin, but that is ridiculous.

[Cult of Personality]

Pain's never proven capable of using Shinra Tensei to repel something as large as Madara's meteor. Similarly, Brain Lazer no Jutsu has not proven strong enough to bisect something as big as Madara's meteor, even if it were capable of being directed and not just go kaboom.

And you're really not in any position to be criticizing the sense of other people.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Pain's never proven capable of using Shinra Tensei to repel something as large as Madara's meteor. Similarly, Brain Lazer no Jutsu has not proven strong enough to bisect something as big as Madara's meteor, even if it were capable of being directed and not just go kaboom.

And you're really not in any position to be criticizing the sense of other people.

No it has not but once again shira tensei is simply a barrier so against a falling rock yes it could protect him from it. next while we may not know the rock itself is just a rock there is nothing special about it, it wasn't shown to do anything but fall, lets not compare the power of a laser in the naruto world to something from ours because as we all know theirs is more powerful.

And the biggest part which everyone seems to be missing is madara wouldn't win using that move because he would be dead too.

Next if people don't want me to question their sense then don't try to question mine.

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

No it has not but once again shira tensei is simply a barrier so against a falling rock yes it could protect him from it.

Can you prove it? I mean with actual proof, not just baseless wank?

next while we may not know the rock itself is just a rock there is nothing special about it, it wasn't shown to do anything but fall, lets not compare the power of a laser in the naruto world to something from ours because as we all know theirs is more powerful.

You do realize that that's not really proof, right?

ext if people don't want me to question their sense then don't try to question mine.

I'm not questioning your sense. I'm saying you don't have any. Big difference.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Wooster

I am being realistic. A 10 mm x 10 mm laser pulse that can eat through rock is huge. That would be on the megawatt, minimum scale. For a 10 mm x 10 mm laser pulse to go though an entire meteor, probably TW or beyond. But I agree, it is unrealistic that Asura has a laser the power of a sun in his repertoire.

I knew Nagato was thin, but that is ridiculous.

Next to this one your just looking at what would happen after the initial impact but hitting the point of entry with missiles in one concentrated area first then then firing the laser would change that since part of the entry had already been made.

Next it's already been proven that before you reach the middle of a solid object it will shatter so once again yes he can destroy the meteor.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Can you prove it? I mean with actual proof, not just baseless wank?



You do realize that that's not really proof, right?


I'm not questioning your sense. I'm saying you don't have any. Big difference.

First can you prove it can't besides just mouthing off, no didn't think so.

Secondly it doesn't need to be "your" proof just facts.

Finally I have more sense when I first wake up than you on your best day.