Sakura vs Hinata

[megabbaut]

In Hinata's point of view where she was using the Byakugan in that episode, we saw chakra points in Guren's body perfectly.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Of course it would do damage, but it's main purpose is to block chakra points.

And how was she improving her technique looking for beetle? She was improving on precision because the beetle was small and chakra points are small.

the 8 trigrams 64 palms was not a neji original because Hinata's father already knew what it was. If you remember when Neji too his stance her father said "that stance, it can't be" which mean he already knew what the move was.

The reason he was questioning if the main branch had been surpassed was because Neji learned it all on his own without any help.

And as for when Hinata blocked Chakra point the only other times I ca recall is on against this guy who was using some kind of magnet jutsu and she struck his a chakra point to make him magnetic, not true this was not blocking, but she did his his chakra point.

Secondly would be when her and Neji did the 8 trigrams 64 palms on a monster in a movie.

Have I seen anyone else do it? no but it has been implied that other people in the hyuuga clan can and, the fact still stands that move was made mainly for blocking chakra points.

Doesn't mean Hinata can use it's main purpose.

I think she was looking for the bettle, not it's chakra points.

THat is only the stance not the technqiue. If it was a technique he already knew, why did he think the main branch was surpassed? It would only be equaled if Neji learned it by himself. Cleary, someone had to to develop it from the main household without being taught it if otherwise. Thus, still not surpassed.

I don't recall that. Maybe so in anime, or just an attack on the chakra network, however.

One could say Neji blocked the chakra points if monsters have chakra points..

Yes, a move developed by Neji who can block chakra points.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

In Hinata's point of view where she was using the Byakugan in that episode, we saw chakra points in Guren's body perfectly.

Kakashi said chakra points where the size of pin heads. Yet, whenever they are shown, they appear larger. What we see is not what the character sees. And when Kakashi talked about them they were shown too. Doesn't mean Kakashi can see chakra points.

[Wild Dark]

The main house hold was being surpassed because the branch families are not supposed to know those techniques but Neji did know them. They are moves designed for the main house hold, how Neji learned them is anyone's guess but since he knew the stance and that stance hasn't been associated with anything else you can only say it's for the 64 palms. Neji is more precise when hitting chakra points so it's his best move but it's not an original he thought of himself.

[Wooster]

That is not the definition of surpassed. Look it up.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Doesn't mean Hinata can use it's main purpose.

I think she was looking for the bettle, not it's chakra points.

THat is only the stance not the technqiue. If it was a technique he already knew, why did he think the main branch was surpassed? It would only be equaled if Neji learned it by himself. Cleary, someone had to to develop it from the main household without being taught it if otherwise. Thus, still not surpassed.

I don't recall that. Maybe so in anime, or just an attack on the chakra network, however.

One could say Neji blocked the chakra points if monsters have chakra points..

Yes, a move developed by Neji who can block chakra points.



Kakashi said chakra points where the size of pin heads. Yet, whenever they are shown, they appear larger. What we see is not what the character sees. And when Kakashi talked about them they were shown too. Doesn't mean Kakashi can see chakra points.

The Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms is a Taijutsu that should only be passed down in the main house of the Hyuuga. It is a dangerous technique that is appropriately handed down from father to only a single child within the Hyuuga clan. It is a manoevre of the Gentle Fist fighting style. With the Byakugan's near 360 degree field on vision, the user envisions an Eight Trigrams circle. Then the enemy within this circle is hit with a series of violent blows. By strikingsixty-four of the tenketsu throughout the oppenents Chakra Pathway System, their chakra flow is stopped, making them unable to move.

Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou is a Taijutsu technique unique to the Hyuuga bloodline. Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou is a variation of Hakke Rokujujuuyonshou, a technique passed down through the main family line. When an opponent is within the clan members divination field of attack, they can quickly begin their assault. The technique allows the clan member to use the Byakugan eye to make nearly double the normal 126 strikes, striking 254 times against their individual foe or opponents. First the clan member will strike 2 times then 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 and finally 128 times

And these are the explanations they give for it on Narutopedia and leafninja. Now even though there are some differences they both say that its main family line technique and it is stated on Narutopedia that it is used to block 64 of the tenketsu which are chakra points.

So as you can see Neji did not invent this move, it already existed. Hinata's father thought they might have been surpassed because one Neji learned the move all on his own, two the mian branch is supposed to be stronger that the side branch and Neji beat Hinata who was supposed to be the main branches heir and he knew that he was stronger that Hanabi who was supposed to be stonger than Hinata.

As we have seen even though it was a crystal clone that Hinata can apparently see and hit 32. The crystal clones can fool the byakugan and appear to have chakra networks which is why she believed that she had blocked at least 32 of her chakra points.

And yes Hinata was looking for beetle, but what you seem to be ignoring is that the beetle was small so she has to adjust her vision with the byakugan to be able to see smaller object more clearly so that she could find it.

And of course Kakashi can't see chakra points, but that doesn't mean that Hyuuga didn't make some kind of chart so he could see or explain it to him.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Hotarubi Hyuuga: stick to shown feats for Hinata only cease powerscaling off her cousin who has shown himself to be superior - at this junction you're just causing a possible sh**storm

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

The Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms is a Taijutsu that should only be passed down in the main house of the Hyuuga. It is a dangerous technique that is appropriately handed down from father to only a single child within the Hyuuga clan. It is a manoevre of the Gentle Fist fighting style. With the Byakugan's near 360 degree field on vision, the user envisions an Eight Trigrams circle. Then the enemy within this circle is hit with a series of violent blows. By strikingsixty-four of the tenketsu throughout the oppenents Chakra Pathway System, their chakra flow is stopped, making them unable to move.

Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou is a Taijutsu technique unique to the Hyuuga bloodline. Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou is a variation of Hakke Rokujujuuyonshou, a technique passed down through the main family line. When an opponent is within the clan members divination field of attack, they can quickly begin their assault. The technique allows the clan member to use the Byakugan eye to make nearly double the normal 126 strikes, striking 254 times against their individual foe or opponents. First the clan member will strike 2 times then 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 and finally 128 times

And these are the explanations they give for it on Narutopedia and leafninja. Now even though there are some differences they both say that its main family line technique and it is stated on Narutopedia that it is used to block 64 of the tenketsu which are chakra points.

So as you can see Neji did not invent this move, it already existed. Hinata's father thought they might have been surpassed because one Neji learned the move all on his own, two the mian branch is supposed to be stronger that the side branch and Neji beat Hinata who was supposed to be the main branches heir and he knew that he was stronger that Hanabi who was supposed to be stonger than Hinata.

As we have seen even though it was a crystal clone that Hinata can apparently see and hit 32. The crystal clones can fool the byakugan and appear to have chakra networks which is why she believed that she had blocked at least 32 of her chakra points.

And yes Hinata was looking for beetle, but what you seem to be ignoring is that the beetle was small so she has to adjust her vision with the byakugan to be able to see smaller object more clearly so that she could find it.

And of course Kakashi can't see chakra points, but that doesn't mean that Hyuuga didn't make some kind of chart so he could see or explain it to him.

Websites are not canon sources even if they strip their material from databooks, also not canon sources.

According to the manga, only Neji can see chakra points, there has never been a dispute about that. We can use anime feats, but were the is contradiction the ulitmate canon source triumphs.

In the case of the anime again, what we see is not what Hinata sees. Even if she can see them, she can't seal them. She has never shown that feat in manga nor anime.

So she can see a beetle, that isn't the head of the pin yet is it?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Hotarubi Hyuuga: stick to shown feats for Hinata only cease powerscaling off her cousin who has shown himself to be superior - at this junction you're just causing a possible sh**storm

I'm not trying to powerscale off of her cousin. I already know Neji is better than her there has never been any doubts about that. However; I am trying to state a simple fact that Neji did not invent the 8 trigrams 64 palms and, that it is possible for Hinata to have been learning the move. Because it was shown that she attempted to do the 8 trigrams 32 palms and believed that she had hit Guren, now since Hinata's strength is not precision unless she was trying to block chakra points wouldn't it not make sense for her yo use her open palm technique of which she is best at?

when she attacked the crystal clone, she could see the chakra network and believed that she was blocking Gurens chakra points, that's all I'm saying.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Wooster

So she can see a beetle, that isn't the head of the pin yet is it?

you are seriously missing the point here, if she could adjust her eyes to see something as small at a beetle a huge forest when she was a kid, do you not think that could learn to adjust them to see something as small as the head of a pin within the time skip?

[Wooster]

Not when only Neji out of the entire history of the clan can do it.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Not when only Neji out of the entire history of the clan can do it.

However; it is heavily implied that he's not.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Wooster

That is not the definition of surpassed. Look it up.

What he meant was that hinata of the main house family couldn't do it and not even her sister but a side branch family member who isn't even supposed to know the art can. Therefore he surpassed in his generation of in the clan.

Next since he knows what the stance is and in the manga the stance has never been used with anything but the 64 palms it can only be tied to that one fighting technique showing once again it's not Neji's original move but a move he somehow learned.

[Sagittarius]

And yes Hinata was looking for beetle, but what you seem to be ignoring is that the beetle was small so she has to adjust her vision with the byakugan to be able to see smaller object more clearly so that she could find it.

She was getting frustrated because they were too small to see. Until Shino explained that since it had been raining Hinata should be able to spot them easier.

Not sure if I'm explaining it good, so here's a quote from scene.

Shino: This rain might be very convenient for you.
Hinata: What do you mean?
Shino: The temperature has dropped, so the plants and animals in the area will be more distinct.

I am trying to state a simple fact that Neji did not invent the 8 trigrams 64 palms and, that it is possible for Hinata to have been learning the move.

You're right about the first part. The second part you said it yourself-it's possible. Only, her having access to Hyuga moves doesn't mean she knows them. In manga, she never uses a trigram technique. In anime she uses a 32 version of it that seems to less effective.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Sagittarius

You're right about the first part. The second part you said it yourself-it's possible. Only, her having access to Hyuga moves doesn't mean she knows them. In manga, she never uses a trigram technique. In anime she uses a 32 version of it that seems to less effective.

Yes she did use the 32 version in the anime which is weaker, but also in a movie she and Neji both used the 64 version on a monster from two different sides as well.

Go to YouTube and type in Nikudan Hari Sensha,Gatsuuga,Hakke Rokujuuyon Shou,Konoha Senpuu

They are are like the third from the last to attack it.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

However; it is heavily implied that he's not.

In the manga, the opposite is implied. All disagreements go to the original material .

[Prue]

Both Sakura and Hinata are strong especially when it comes to protecting someone that are important to them. Sakura is all about not being a burden and Hinata is all about changing herself. No competition. You either love them or hate them ^^

Kishi better Show both Sakura and Hinata kicking ass......especially the Rookies.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

21 to 15 Hinata wins.

[Saiyan]

Gentle Fist > Everything in Sakura's Arsenal

[Fukai Tsumi]

I much prefer Hinata.

But I think Sakura would win; she is more intelligent and quicker thinking, has a fighting style centred around not being hit, and can put Hinata down in one strike.

[PrinceofPeace]

BUt what plan????? Sakura is smarter but that does not mean she will win. Shikamaru is smarter than Naruto but Naruto would stomp him

Spoiler:

Keep in mind that Sakura may avoided some of Sasori's attacks (with the aid of CHiyo) BUT SHE COULD NOT DODGE CLOSE UP ATTACKS FROM... Saskue with Posion kunai, and a fodder kumo ninja (you know the one with Omio with a flat chest who was taught by Bee... she has red hair and is like a tom-boy) 4 tails Naruto also hit her close up