Sakura vs Hinata

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Night Blade852

Sure, she can do some damage to Sakura. But we hardly know jack squat about Hinata and you can't argue that. You know what. It's not even worht the time arguing with a major Hinata fan. Truthfully I don't even know why I still come here since I've pretty much dropped Naruto. I have my own writing to carry out. I could spend the next 40 days arguing with you, but you'd still come up with storys of how Hinata is so much stronger and what not.

Obviously you don't know this, but is anything I'm a Gaara fan so if this was an argument over him you might have a point.

Do I like Hinata yes, but I also like Sakura just as much, so your "I'm a Hinata fan" comment really has to value.

Once again if this were Gaara or Ino you might have a point, but since its not no.

Plus I have admitted many time that even though I would like to think that he is the bomb that know Gaara isn't the strongest character.

And I don't make stuff up so um yeah

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Hinata cannot block off chakra points as we know of yet, only the generic Gentle Fist. She can overcome this by her Twin Lion jutsu if she must however.

They showed her do it in a movie and if you don't want to count that then against Guren and as much as you say Fillers don't count I would like to believe that Kishimoto wouldn't leave something as important as the three tails out of the Manga and, since that was basically all the Guren arc was about then there.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Hinata shovels down Sakura's throat.

Sakura may have nice reaction feats when fighting Sasori, but there is absolutely no way she can reac to Hinata.

Assuming she could... The actual chance of her hitting Sakura is very low. She seems to have immense strength but can't actually hit anyone.

I will provide pages later if I care or remember.

[Night Blade852]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

They showed her do it in a movie and if you don't want to count that then against Guren and as much as you say Fillers don't count I would like to believe that Kishimoto wouldn't leave something as important as the three tails out of the Manga and, since that was basically all the Guren arc was about then there.

FILLERS DON'T FREAKING COUNT!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!! Movie=filler, filler=DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

The ONLY time Hinata has done ANYTHING was in filler! Fillers are NOT cannon with the manga. Fillers are just used to lenthen out the show, and have no importance whatsoever.

[Zatamizu Yougan]

Originally Posted by Night Blade852

FILLERS DON'T FREAKING COUNT!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!! Movie=filler, filler=DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

The ONLY time Hinata has done ANYTHING was in filler! Fillers are NOT cannon with the manga. Fillers are just used to lenthen out the show, and have no importance whatsoever.

She can still block off chakra points even without anime feats. The gentle fist is about releasing the users chakra to the opponents chakra system. Even if she coudn't see tenketsu (which she can), she could still attack to chakra system.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Night Blade852

FILLERS DON'T FREAKING COUNT!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!! Movie=filler, filler=DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

The ONLY time Hinata has done ANYTHING was in filler! Fillers are NOT cannon with the manga. Fillers are just used to lenthen out the show, and have no importance whatsoever.

OK by your standard if it was filler it didn't happen and it doesn't count and the reason I don't buy this is for three reasons.

One the three tails arc

Two the Six tails arc

And finally the curry of life

all from what I hear are considered to be fillers

OK so if my your standard the fillers mean nothing and have to value there for they don't count then. Why I ask you are things from these fillers so darn important to the actual manga which you say is the only thing that counts.

Example one curry of life. In this so called filler that doesn't count by your standards I might add. you meets Ranmaru and Raiga, Raiga is one of the seven swordsman of the mist and during the war which I might add IS in the Manga they once again show these same swords that were in this so called not counting filler. So by you standards those swords shouldn't even exist, am I right?

Example Two the three tails arc where hinata was shown using her ability to block chakra points (though is was a crystal clone) In this arc Naruto and the others were trying to seal three tails while Orochimaru and the akatsuki where trying to capture it. Yet in the Manga they show this tailed beast again in the war. so once again by your standards this tailed beast should not exist right?

My last and final point the six tails arc where they meet the six tails jinchuuriki. This was also a fillers that was not in the manga from what I hear (and I say thing because I started reading around the pain vs Naruto fight) and yet this same jinchuuriki was caught my pain in a filler and, was shown during the war with his demon. So by your standards nor he or his tailed beast should exist.

So since nothing from a filler counts and, if it happen in a filler it didn't happen then tell me why all of these fillers seem to hold such great importance to the manga?

In my eyes. What a filler is, is Kishimoto going back to explain some things that he may have forgotten to do before. Now are some of them just silly fun little episodes, yes. However; fillers do hold value and, I believe that even you can't deny that at this point. However; stranger things have happened so I won't hold my breath

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Night Blade852

FILLERS DON'T FREAKING COUNT!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!! Movie=filler, filler=DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

The ONLY time Hinata has done ANYTHING was in filler! Fillers are NOT cannon with the manga. Fillers are just used to lenthen out the show, and have no importance whatsoever.

Sorry to say this but they do, while some are for just expanding the length of the show. there are those that tie directly in to the manga story line. Fillers are the ideas that came after the manga had already been released, you can't recall all manga when a new idea comes to mind so they make fillers because what you said the swords raiga used, the three tails and the six tails shouldn't exist because they were showed in fillers.

[Cult of Personality]

Sakura-chan drop kicks Hinata's severed head to Kirigakure.

No, fillers do not count. Not only do fillers not count, the anime in its entirety does not count. Manga is the primary source of canon and unless the original poster specifies otherwise, it is the only thing used. Period.

If the Kiba swords existed in the anime but not in the manga they would not. Repeat. WOULD NOT. Exist. But the swords do exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

If the Three Tails were a turtle in the anime but *random animal* a jellyfish in the manga, the three tailed turtle would not exist. But the 3TT does exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

If the Six Tails were a slug in the anime but *random animal* a giraffe in the manga, the six tailed slug would not exist. But the 6TS does exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Sakura-chan drop kicks Hinata's severed head to Kirigakure.

No, fillers do not count. Not only do fillers not count, the anime in its entirety does not count. Manga is the primary source of canon and unless the original poster specifies otherwise, it is the only thing used. Period.

If the Kiba swords existed in the anime but not in the manga they would not. Repeat. WOULD NOT. Exist. But the swords do exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

If the Three Tails were a turtle in the anime but *random animal* a jellyfish in the manga, the three tailed turtle would not exist. But the 3TT does exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

If the Six Tails were a slug in the anime but *random animal* a giraffe in the manga, the six tailed slug would not exist. But the 6TS does exist in the manga, so your point ceases to exist.

But all of these things were seen in the anime before the manga showing these things came out therefore the anime does count.

The three tailed turtle seen in the anime first, then the war come up and oh what is that I see a three tailed turtle, the same three tailed turtle that was in the filler.

But they don't count right.

The point is that they all appeared in the anime first and are the exact same thing that they are in the manga which they appeared in after the fact. so in closing the fillers do count.

So my point continues to exist.

[Cult of Personality]

Irrelevant. If they appeared in the anime first, it just means that someone had a good idea and Kishimoto decided to adapt it into the manga. That means that those specific ideas are canon. It doesn't meant that anything else that happened is also canon and it certainly doesn't mean that filler counts.

Once more, manga is the primary canon and unless the thread starter specifies otherwise, it is the only canon.

Filler counts less than your opinion, which let me tell you, could not possibly count less in any reasonable discussion in any sane universe. On account of you being an idiot.

Also, you got the Green Lantern oath wrong.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Irrelevant. If they appeared in the anime first, it just means that someone had a good idea and Kishimoto decided to adapt it into the manga. That means that those specific ideas are canon. It doesn't meant that anything else that happened is also canon and it certainly doesn't mean that filler counts.

Once more, manga is the primary canon and unless the thread starter specifies otherwise, it is the only canon.

Filler counts less than your opinion, which let me tell you, could not possibly count less in any reasonable discussion in any sane universe. On account of you being an idiot.

Also, you got the Green Lantern oath wrong.

Wow are you really getting upset.......over this? I mean call me crazy, but I think the real idiot is the one who catches a hissy fit over something that isn't even real.

Oh and um by the way I'm on the honor roll and, I'm not even trying and by the way the last time I took an IQ test I scored WAY too high to be an idiot.

Also, big freaken deal I got the green lantern oath wrong, yet no one else seems to care, but you. I know I got it wrong. It sounds better TO ME this way. It's my signature I can write what I want on it.

EVERYONE ELSE seems get the point that his is debate except for you. I state my opinion , you state yours and no one throws a major tantrum , but NO you have try the stupidest move on this thread.

One you catch a hissy fit and throw tantrum over something that isn't even real and, for what? Because a few people think that fillers count?

Two you insult my intelligence, something that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at all. The only reason we are even talking about filler in the and the manga in the first place is because it ties into what we are talking about and then you go on to talk about what you THINK I did wrong in my signature.

Naruto belongs to Kishimoto, you can't do anything official with Naruto unless he approves it or else he can sue you and, no one would willing put themselves in position to be sued by using someone else stuff without their approval, especially when it is copyrighted.

I mean i like Naruto, but not about to have fit because someone has the thought processing skills to have their own opinion that's different from mine. You know maybe you should spend less time trying to bash people and spend more time you know getting in touch with reality.

Also congratulations you are the first person I've ever been rude to on this site, but if your bad enough to pass on you bad enough to take one, so at this point I really don't care and, you know what the funny thing about this is.

I'M STILL NOT ANGRY

[e710]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Wow are you really getting upset.......over this? I mean call me crazy, but I think the real idiot is the one who catches a hissy fit over something that isn't even real.

Oh and um by the way I'm on the honor roll and, I'm not even trying and by the way the last time I took an IQ test I scored WAY too high to be an idiot.

Also, big freaken deal I got the green lantern oath wrong, yet no one else seems to care, but you. I know I got it wrong. It sounds better TO ME this way. It's my signature I can write what I want on it.

EVERYONE ELSE seems get the point that his is debate except for you. I state my opinion , you state yours and no one throws a major tantrum , but NO you have try the stupidest move on this thread.

One you catch a hissy fit and throw tantrum over something that isn't even real and, for what? Because a few people think that fillers count?

Two you insult my intelligence, something that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at all. The only reason we are even talking about filler in the and the manga in the first place is because it ties into what we are talking about and then you go on to talk about what you THINK I did wrong in my signature.

Naruto belongs to Kishimoto, you can't do anything official with Naruto unless he approves it or else he can sue you and, no one would willing put themselves in position to be sued by using someone else stuff without their approval, especially when it is copyrighted.

I mean i like Naruto, but not about to have fit because someone has the thought processing skills to have their own opinion that different from mine. You know maybe you should spend less time trying to bash people and spend more time you know getting in touch with reality.

Also congratulations you are the first person I've ever been rude to on this site, but if your bad enough to pass on you bad enough to take one, so at this point I really don't care and, you know what the funny thing about this is.

I'M STILL NOT ANGRY

you have hyuuga in your name and keep saying hinata>sakura which is way off. Sakura>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hinate in every way. Hinate has almost never fought and Sakura killed Sasori, with Cihyo's help but its better than anything hinate has done. Even in fillers Sakura is better.

[megabbaut]

Actually, neither Sakura or Chiyo could have solo'd Sasori and it took major teamwork to defeat him. That, and Sasori allowed himself to lose at the end.

I've read the Chiyo & Sakura vs Sasori fight so many times, it's not even funny. She jumped up from attacks to one central direction, it's just a single jump up. It can't be used to say that she will dodge Hinata's Jyuuken strikes. Basically, Sakura's style is:-

1) Raise fist
2) Rush to opponent

Leaving her open to opponent's attacks. In martial arts sequence, you have to keep your feet in place and avoid attack so you can counterattack in close-range hand-to-hand combat. Both Sakura and Hinata are close-range fighters, they have to get close to launch an attack or if they want hits to land. Since Hinata has shown ability to parry/dodge, if Sakura raises her fist, and rushes to punch her, Hinata will just dodge, or parry, like in Chapter 79 page 9 and chapter 80 page 6.

After Hinata parries or dodges, she will strike. Take a look at chapter 273 page 11.

How will Sakura escape Hinata's strike by jumping up? I can assume Sakura can jump away, but if Sakura keeps jumping away, she will never hit Hinata, and she can only defeat Hinata by hitting the latter. Dodging and parrying here are to keep feet on the ground, veer your body a little (to the left or right) to dodge opponent's attacks, or push their wrist (parry), and counterattack with your own strikes. This is how it looks like for people who have to face a Hyuuga (if the opponents only have close-range attacks to begin with).

So how will Sakura dodge Hinata's jyuuken taps?

About dodging the iron sand, it is not the same with dodging taijutsu strikes. Sakura managed to read Sasori's finger patterns, because before that, Chiyo controlled her with Chakra strings. Basically, what she did was forwarding chakra to her fist when it hit, but it was because of Chiyo controlling her in the first place, that enabled her to read Sasori's finger patterns. Since she read the finger patterns, the iron Sand boulders were anticipated attacks.

Hinata doesn't attack using fingers, and Hinata doesn't have patterns. Chiyo will not control Sakura to let her have the time to study this time. Sakura herself stated that puppeteer's weakness is you can read their patterns with time, and Hinata is not a puppeteer. In any case that you're saying that Sakura can dodge because she's a medic nin, there are many instances that she showed she's not good at dodging. Particularly, she could not dodge Kabuto, and she could not dodge Omoi's kick. It strengthens the notion of her style: raise fist, rush and hit or miss. Since Hinata will dodge/parry, it's likely that Sakura will miss and Hinata will hit first. Two or three more taps will be enough to completely incapacitate Sakura.

Even in the war, Hinata is put where she specializes in: close combat division.

And the airpalm. Yes, it will push Sakura back, but it does not increase Hinata's chance at losing at all. Sakura has no long range attacks, except kunai and shuriken which is easily dodged.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by e710

you have hyuuga in your name and keep saying hinata>sakura which is way off. Sakura>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hinate in every way. Hinate has almost never fought and Sakura killed Sasori, with Cihyo's help but its better than anything hinate has done. Even in fillers Sakura is better.

I have Hyuuga in my name because I like the gentle fist, not because I favor Hinata over Sakura.

I've already said about three time that my favorites are Gaara and Ino I like Sakura and Hinata just about the same.

And lastly I'm entitled to my own opinion If I think Hinata's going to win I can think that Hinata's going to win. I may give you reason for why I think Hinata's going to win, but I'm not telling you that you can't think Sakura is going to win.

Also even though he let her Chiyo killed Sasori not Sakura.

[Cult of Personality]

It's amusing that you think just because I call you an idiot that I'm upset. Don't flatter yourself.

An unprovable claim made because you feel the need to defend your intelligence when someone on the internet calls you stupid. And this is supposed to convince me otherwise. Right.

IQ tests are bunk.

As to the GL Oath, as you like it, I was just pointing it out, no need to get your panties in a twist.

Just because this is a debate doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Which you are.

You stated an opinion. OMGZORZWTFLEGASP!!!! That doesn't make you not wrong.
The only one throwing a tantrum here is you. I'm perfectly calm but you're going off on a shrieking whasname about how you are teh 1337 haxx0rz because, horror of horrors, someone on the internet called you stupid. Which granted, is highly amusing, but not especially useful.

I write one sentence about the GL oath being wrong and automatically I'm going on and on about it? Very compelling logic there, Sally.

Naruto does belong to Kishimoto and I can't dictate to him what is and is not canon. But here in the Battlegrounds what Kishimoto thinks amounts largely to horse manure and what you think amounts to even less.

Blah blah a bunch of whining about how Kishimoto would sue me and how you're not throwing a hissy fit about the things I'm saying (which, you know, you are. ^_^)

I'm the first person on this site that you've been rude to. Now I feel special. I wish I could return the favor but as you may have guessed, I'm a rude person and you are far from the first. XD

In summary, whinewhinebitchbitchmoanmoan.

In even more summary, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
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Back to the subject at hand, which we were discussing before you started whining about how I'm the Anti-Christ, filler doesn't count, Hinata has nothing, Hinata dies, Sakura wins, the end.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

It's amusing that you think just because I call you an idiot that I'm upset. Don't flatter yourself.

An unprovable claim made because you feel the need to defend your intelligence when someone on the internet calls you stupid. And this is supposed to convince me otherwise. Right.

IQ tests are bunk.

As to the GL Oath, as you like it, I was just pointing it out, no need to get your panties in a twist.

Just because this is a debate doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Which you are.

You stated an opinion. OMGZORZWTFLEGASP!!!! That doesn't make you not wrong.
The only one throwing a tantrum here is you. I'm perfectly calm but you're going off on a shrieking whasname about how you are teh 1337 haxx0rz because, horror of horrors, someone on the internet called you stupid. Which granted, is highly amusing, but not especially useful.

I write one sentence about the GL oath being wrong and automatically I'm going on and on about it? Very compelling logic there, Sally.

Naruto does belong to Kishimoto and I can't dictate to him what is and is not canon. But here in the Battlegrounds what Kishimoto thinks amounts largely to horse manure and what you think amounts to even less.

Blah blah a bunch of whining about how Kishimoto would sue me and how you're not throwing a hissy fit about the things I'm saying (which, you know, you are. ^_^)

I'm the first person on this site that you've been rude to. Now I feel special. I wish I could return the favor but as you may have guessed, I'm a rude person and you are far from the first. XD

In summary, whinewhinebitchbitchmoanmoan.

In even more summary, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
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Back to the subject at hand, which we were discussing before you started whining about how I'm the Anti-Christ, filler doesn't count, Hinata has nothing, Hinata dies, Sakura wins, the end.

HaHaHa Wow

Are you really still going on about this?

Dude listen I don't care enough about you to get mad over anything you say.

I could careless rather to believe me about being smart or not.

If you read the opening to my thread you would know that I said who do YOU think would win in and all out fight between Hinata and Sakura once again THINK.

But nice try buddy, you know how you tried to cover yourself there. so I'm supposed to believe that after you just basically told me my opinion is worth nothing and called me an idiot that you just out of the goodness of your heart just telling me that I got the oath wrong. Right

Haha Wow, really.

Now if anyone has anything to say about the actual subject then I'll be glad to hear it.

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

Indeed, indeed. So we're of one mind that Sakura wins?

[Wild Dark]

Irrelevant. If they appeared in the anime first, it just means that someone had a good idea and Kishimoto decided to adapt it into the manga. That means that those specific ideas are canon. It doesn't meant that anything else that happened is also canon and it certainly doesn't mean that filler counts.

Once more, manga is the primary canon and unless the thread starter specifies otherwise, it is the only canon.

Sorry but your wrong, Kishimoto has the copyrights to Naruto and all its characters and in business you cant make anything unless you get the owners permission first you won't even be allowed to start the idea.

The fact that the filler information showed up in the manga means he gave the ok before it was made. look at it from a business sense not your opinion. The fact is that if someone uses anything from naruto to make money without his permission they would be sued immediately not opinion fact.

So the fillers count, they are to fill in certain gaps to explain what happened during certain parts in the show because they aren't going to show all the peaceful time and not even all the fights in the manga. That is because these were ideas that were thought of after the manga came out.

Example six tails they showed that pain caught the six tails but in the manga they were already past the part where naruto defeated pain. So there is no way to recall all manga just rewrite that part so it was placed before the pain fight as a filler to explain how the six tails was caught and it and its host appeared the exact same way in the manga later on.

[Cult of Personality]

Oh my goodness, Joanna, did you really make a dupe to try and support your cause? That's just sad.

So to summarize, fillers and anime are a no, manga is a yes.

[Gamaran]

Making a dupe to kiss your own ass. Pathetic.