BG Convo #32: The Return of the Lucas

[Devils Lawyer]

Thread is deleted I guess.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

It is extremely rare to have such an debate. Though Goku rapes for having an more epic show.

It is rare. We even complimented on each on it.

His arguments were odd though.

He lives in Mexico.
He has a quite a DBz oriented perspective. (example: Gogeta is so fast that Omega Shenron couldn't see him etc etc)
I told him for any fictional debate you must take a step back and look from above such all to make a best answer.

He also thought finger ray of Gogeta would immobilize Nearly full galactus whom I used as my character to prevent any jobbing or etc etc claims.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

It is rare. We even complimented on each on it.

His arguments were odd though.

He lives in Mexico.
He has a quite a DBz oriented perspective. (example: Gogeta is so fast that Omega Shenron couldn't see him etc etc)
I told him for any fictional debate you must take a step back and look from above such all to make a best answer.

He also thought finger ray of Gogeta would immobilize Nearly full galactus whom I used as my character to prevent any jobbing or etc etc claims.

The show leads you to that type of mindset. If you wanna blame anything for that mindset blame the powerup. Powering up from a casual onlooker gives a misleading read on db. They seem so powerful when they do it especially at the end of the series.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Congratulations Watchdog you actually made me speechless for a few second.

just look at this guys posts and tell me isn't whack

ere is what I believe should be done for the selection.

Order of first to go:

- Convicts: Those who have committed acts of violence should be up first for the chopper
- Those unable to function: Severe elderly, severely disabled, severely mental retarded, etc.
- Sickly: Those who will likely not live or have a debilitating illness

the disabled and severely ill are comparable to violent criminals

After that I feel those who are culturally and economically underdeveloped and could present a danger to others or themselves

being poor and not "cultured" is cited as a reason for be killed

- Africa: gotta go
- Western Asia (Middle East): gotta go

entire regions and cultures and ethnicities simple "gotta go"

After that we can start with those who do not contribute to society as much as they could or should

because whoever he arbitrarily decides does not contribute in a meaningful capacity does not deserve life

- Homeless: The ones who are never likely to pick it back up

y'know because screw those bastards never mind that most of them are tragically mentally ill and cannot help it..

- Intellectually Challenged: Should of did better in school

this is seen as a legitimate reason for mass slaughter a lack of a proper education.

here's our VM debate on his appalling thread

Bioness
How about instead of negging me without even attempting to post in the thread that Dandy (who happens to be banned) somehow found and decided to share you attempt to debate against it?

The Immortal WatchDog
Dandy shared with me? it's on your wiki..btw do not delete it from there

While I generally discourage that type of behavior you should make an attempt to argue there are some threads too disgusting to waste a post in..that was one of them..

Bioness
Dandy was the one who placed it there. It was an attempted at debating, did you read the opening post of the thread? people had to die it wasn't murder.

And why would I delete it?

yeah yer trying to intellectually stimulate debate bro

The Immortal WatchDog
yes I did..and it was murder
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Bioness
Then what would the alternative be?

The Immortal WatchDog
you posed a horrible question that only has one answer..mass murder of what a billion humans? this is murder this is sacrifice to save the species..what I found monstrous and certainly Captain Smoker or Grand Master Kane level and utterly hypocritical of some one who calls Dark Schneider pictures chauvinistic and is such an ardent defender of gay rights you..occasionally run around with border line bathhouse content male sets...is that you targeted a very specific group..one who's rights are often infringed on

I did not agree with this..between your comparing aggressive debating to child abuse and your other accolades to go..and target those people surprised and disturbed me and merited a response

lemme just illuminate on this two weeks prior Bioness compares aggression in vs debating too child abuse in so far as 'how much damage" it can do..

but he y'know advocates wholesale slaughter

Bioness
I don't know who those people are nor do I give a rats ass. Give me reasons as to why I am wrong instead of just name calling. The thread's purpose was to see what people would do in such a scenario with a sub text of seeing their views on various peoples around the world. And say names, which groups do you feel I discriminate against or feel are less human than others and tell me why I am wrong in thinking that.

The world isn't fair don't treat it as though it is.

As for the LGBT thing I fail to see why you and several others bring that up when it has nothing to do with the discussion. It is as if you think it is justified to compare them to whatever I seem to be talking about.

apparently he argues for people who are not very well learned to be mass killed yet he himself cannot see basic refutation nor the utter hypocrisy

The Immortal WatchDog
I just explained to you what you did wrong my brother, don't stoop to Kaiokenreds level of epic dodgery.

as for the LGBT thing it has everything to do with why your post was not only hypocritical it was inhumanly insane- you loudly declare your intention to defend one minority to the extent that you have borderline pornographic sets at times as if your asking to be challenged on the issue: while openly showing a willingness to sacrifice several others (the disabled the elderly the invalid).. shame on you Bioness

If you could only save two people who would you save? A old person or a businessman in his 30s. It's common since.

And again you make references to people I neither know or care abou

an old person vs a business man, simple mathematics just simple common sense

no it isn't common sense...you don't choose like that what if the old man is the damn Pope? is he less valuable than the businessman? there are a billion catholics who would violently disagree with you on the matter? what if the oldmans your grandfather? what are you gonna say 'sorry pops..but it's simple common sense"

No bioness in that situation the only right answer is you think long and hard and then put the bullet into your brain..because the moment you start doing math like that (in a situation that isn't war or a total war scenario with a fanatical enemy bent on genocide ala WW2)..is the moment you become insane and the moment you no longer have value as a human being

so get..off your god damn high horse bioness what you proposed was evil and you calling it commonsense is sickening - I mean and you put them in the same spot as the freaken violent criminals and you don't even bother to list pedophiles

I mean and "hurr durr Africa has to go' and your actually arguing with me on this? that you..seriously believe what you said wasn't absolutely disturbing? This after you associate aggressive debating with childabuse in a high handed attempt to condemn how things are done here?

you honestly wonder why you got negged? why people react so strongly to you?

Emotion gets in the way of logic and reason, it is simple numbers. We all have a value in the world and some are worth more than others. To believe otherwise is naive.

I don't hide my views like that majority of the populace. That is why some people have a tendency to go against me, they cannot stand a strong person who will not back down. Those who back down will never progress the world and will leave society into a perpetual stagnate pool of "hopeful" stability.

and here we have evidence of a messiah complex as well as delusions of persecution and the like

he's a deeply disturbed individual

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

It gets crazy because both sides become worst than Jehova witness knocking at your door. Also like you said both sides are hardly qualified to even have the debate. I know I am not. Often times individuals start spewing the most asinine of comments.

Edit- time for me to go play at nf.

i should be fair both sides of the argument show monstrous ignorance..Christians sometimes more so..but the Atheists tend to be the loudest.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

The show leads you to that type of mindset. If you wanna blame anything for that mindset blame the powerup. Powering up from a casual onlooker gives a misleading read on db. They seem so powerful when they do it especially at the end of the series.

true I'll never forget how intimidating Nappa and Vegeta looked when I first saw them

though to be fair Saint Seiya does a better job

[Wooster]

Seems to me to make quite the logical sense that progressives of all stripes would be for genocide and removing of undesirables. They are following their forefathers/mothers after all.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

It's something Wooster just likes to chat about when he has his moments.

Yes, pedos abound. o.O

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

it's pretty disturbing it, banning them on principle is never considered and IIRC one of the staff was saying it would be discrimination.

it's worse in context I think they promoted to Admin immediately after someone who was open about being attracted to children and loli/shota




drama loads of drama

Why not? If not only for legal reasons. Having a pedo hook up with one of your 12-year old members sure ain't good for your site..

An Admin is a pedo? Lovely.

[Cult of Personality]

- Intellectually Challenged: Should of did better in school

Oh sweet sweet irony.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Oh sweet sweet irony.

Hey, hey Should've sounds a lot like should of.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

i should be fair both sides of the argument show monstrous ignorance..Christians sometimes more so..but the Atheists tend to be the loudest.

The arguements usually go all the way left when they both each start quoting history. Their facts are hardly on solid grounds.

true I'll never forget how intimidating Nappa and Vegeta looked when I first saw them

though to be fair Saint Seiya does a better job

I hardly remember Saint Seiya I just stopped watching it. I stopped around the hell arc.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Seems to me to make quite the logical sense that progressives of all stripes would be for genocide and removing of undesirables. They are following their forefathers/mothers after all.

i don't like blind dismissal of all progressive groups but when you do the research your left with shock

I mean christ even neutral apolitical groups like MENSA were founded with a eugenics agenda in mind

Originally Posted by Wooster

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Yes, pedos abound. o.O

Why not? If not only for legal reasons. Having a pedo hook up with one of your 12-year old members sure ain't good for your site..

the fact that they did have several incidents of pedos stalking and harassing their younger members and only banned them,..when it became too loud not too then refused to turn information over to the authorities on the basis of "oh proxies we don't know how much is him and dont wanna ruin a guys life based on not enough dupe proof" is equally disturbing

Originally Posted by Wooster

An Admin is a pedo? Lovely.

I believe so..and before he became an admin as a mod he infracted posters outside of his jurisdiction whenever they mocked shota/loli fans and said anything bad about people into minors..but was promoted seemingly after that thread is bad

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Oh sweet sweet irony.

I gotta admit that bit was epic - hell I don't even get that one wrong

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

The arguements usually go all the way left when theyboth each start quoting history. Their facts are hardly on sold grounds.

oh yeah that's when you bow out of the debate or start drinking and humorously correct their mistakes and risk a ban

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I hardly remember Saint Seiya I just stopped watching it. I stopped around the hell arc.

it got pretty crazy

[colorles]

so how was the drama at ...jaja m.a.n.g.a.f.o.x?

wait there was also drama at OBD?

[Cult of Personality]

There's always drama everywhere you go. The fox of manga and this ODB place are no exception.

[colorles]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

There's always drama everywhere you go. The fox of manga and this ODB place are no exception.

...m.a.n.g.a.f.o.x seems pretty chil

OBD just seems like alot of whining

[zebrakiller]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I didn't. Apparently one person did at least.
It is assumed to be Hadomaru.
This is them mocking it.
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispace.../home/48629999

But of course thats not the main gist why tonight was so hilarious.



Hello ZebraKiller happy new year to you and of course Wooster Booster and others.

You could just reply to Kuromaki you know.

Happy new year to you as well ziggy. id reply but i don't know what else to say (debater fail). could go either way in my mind n her argument hasnt sealed it for me.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

i don't like blind dismissal of all progressive groups but when you do the research your left with shock

I mean christ even neutral apolitical groups like MENSA were founded with a eugenics agenda in mind



the fact that they did have several incidents of pedos stalking and harassing their younger members and only banned them,..when it became too loud not too then refused to turn information over to the authorities on the basis of "oh proxies we don't know how much is him and dont wanna ruin a guys life based on not enough dupe proof" is equally disturbing



I believe so..and before he became an admin as a mod he infracted posters outside of his jurisdiction whenever they mocked shota/loli fans and said anything bad about people into minors..but was promoted seemingly after that thread is bad



I gotta admit that bit was epic - hell I don't even get that one wrong




oh yeah that's when you bow out of the debate or start drinking and humorously correct their mistakes and risk a ban





it got pretty crazy

Of course, I was being glib. But I always say you must explain your belief system past sins or you don't really know what you believe.

Starting to read now.
This exchange makes absolutely no sense to me.
Why can't you ban someone for being a pedophile?

My thoughts exactly, and the reason I made that passing comment in the Temari thread. This is a forum where we ban people for spoilers... but obviously this is being taken very personally by people who like him for some reason or another.



because he hasn't committed an offence on the forums. do we start banning people for real life crimes now?

banning people for spoilers makes logical sense to me.
Makes this forum seems like the paragaon of wisdom. At least Admins here know much much better. You don't need anyone here. You don't just have the right, but you SHOULD kick the creeps out.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Of course, I was being glib. But I always say you must explain your belief system past sins or you don't really know what you believe.

or at least research them so you know them

Originally Posted by Wooster

Starting to read now.
This exchange makes absolutely no sense to me.
Why can't you ban someone for being a pedophile?

My thoughts exactly, and the reason I made that passing comment in the Temari thread. This is a forum where we ban people for spoilers... but obviously this is being taken very personally by people who like him for some reason or another.



because he hasn't committed an offence on the forums. do we start banning people for real life crimes now?

banning people for spoilers makes logical sense to me.

yes, yes we do..you're right this makes no god damn sense and you do not under any circumstances allow people who are openly into minors and friggen shota and loli into your admin cricle

Originally Posted by Wooster

Makes this forum seems like the paragaon of wisdom. At least Admins here know much much better. You don't need anyone here. You don't just have the right, but you SHOULD kick the creeps out.

Viz has it's flaws the hypersensitivity and aversion to letting the hammer down on trolls..but it's not nearly as bad as MF but I have never seen a viz staffer openly admit to liking kids

or any mod asking those questions seriously

[Wooster]

Yes, our mods keep their perversions hidden.

[Devils Lawyer]

It's friday peoples I am free. I can see the sun.

[NBT]

Don't feel like reading through everything so I'll just ask.The h*ll are y'all talkin about?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by NBT

Don't feel like reading through everything so I'll just ask.The h*ll are y'all talkin about?

someone hacked NF and put mods business everywhere

most of it was just ho hum mod gossip nothing crucial

then...they made a thread about "is it morally right to ban pedophiles and posters with pedophile tendencies or is it discriminatory and mean to do so" immediately following this discussion was the modding of one person into minors and little kids and another as an admin

and that's painfully damning

[NBT]

Interesting.


When did you become a mod?