relationships in the narutoverse: quasi-unrealistic and under-developed

[Narutorious]

perhaps you're right. i hadn't considered that i could be biased based on my geographical location and the values associated with it. as a north american person, i do see sakura's treatment of naruto as abuse. but if that flies in japan as being romantic, then by all means, i admit to being mistaken.

While the "abuse" could be seen as romantic by some, that wasn't my intention, I just meant in Japan, the "abuse" wouldn't be seen as actual abuse, it's just meant for laughs only, though it is a trend in Shonen mangas that the main character is "abuse" by his love interest, and ends up being with his love interest.

i personally think sakura deserves sasuke because i dislike both of them and thus wouldn't mind if they ended up together. however, as for naruto, who is actually a likable character, i want him to end up with someone who is equally likable and good to him--which in my opinion, wouldn't be sakura--it would be hinata.

Those reasons are too common for NaruHina/anti-NaruSaku fans, I like to be realistic though, Naruto & Sakura has the best friendship right now & that will lead to a better lasting relationship, and because I care about Naruto's feelings the most, I want NaruSaku to happen more than anything else since Naruto deserves to be with his first love the most, & NaruSaku would be the most natural relationship, while I don't think NaruHina or SasuSaku would be natural at all, Hinata is too shy, Sasuke & Sakura just tried killing each other.

Even though I know kishi has patterns that tend to repeat themselves in the plot (i.e. sannin and team 7 being virtually exact parallels), I'm still hoping kishi will give naruhina a chance. I think hinata deserves at least that much.

I always say love is not about what you deserved, it's about how you feel, if that was the case, Naruto & Lee both deserved Sakura, but if Naruto doesn't feel that way about Hinata, it can't be help, realisticly speaking, the fans would be more upset about this then Hinata herself, Hinata never try to pursuit a relationship with Naruto.

Sakura treats Naruto as a close friend .. no more - no less

That can be said for all the big 3 couples, Naruto treats Hinata like a friend(when she's around), Sasuke treated Sakura like a friend(if that).

Hinata would be suitable 4 Naruto more than her

Naruto & Sakura are more suitable for each other, they can be natural around each other, the same can't be said for NaruHina, Hinata is too shy & quiet while Naruto is too loud & open.

[deidara#1]

My question is why does it matter? When did Naruto start to be about relationships?
Every show has relationship things in it of course but it is not the main point of Naruto to have thousands of love stories and romance.

[THE X UCHIHA]

That can be said for all the big 3 couples, Naruto treats Hinata like a friend(when she's around), Sasuke treated Sakura like a friend(if that).

my answer is not Stupid or Biased .. as you stated in Ur rep.
this is my point and I have the right to defend it. who told you that Sasuke doesn’t love Sakura ..
I believe that he loves her.
Sasuke X Sakura .. is more logical than ( Sasuke X Any girl else ). same thing for NaruHina

Naruto & Sakura are more suitable for each other, they can be natural around each other, the same can't be said for NaruHina, Hinata is too shy & quiet while Naruto is too loud & open.

Negative ..
I meant Naruto & Hinata are suitable 4 each other as lovers not as friends.
seems that you misunderstood me .


Sakura treats Naruto as she treats her brother.
she can’t be shy & quiet like Hinata cuz she is not in love with Naruto .

Originally Posted by deidara #1 :
My question is why does it matter? When did Naruto start to be about relationships?
Every show has relationship things in it of course but it is not the main point of Naruto to have thousands of love stories and romance.

Dude .. adding more Sugar to the candy makes it sweeter . XD

[Narutorious]

my answer is not Stupid or Biased .. as you stated in Ur rep.
this is my point and I have the right to defend it.

I don't even care for the rep system, it's a overrated system, I only used it when someone has a fantastic answer, you got me confused with someone else.

who told you that Sasuke doesn’t love Sakura ..
I believe that he loves her.
Sasuke X Sakura .. is more logical than ( Sasuke X Any girl else ). same thing for NaruHina

Sasuke doesn't love Sakura at all, it's dumb to even think so, he has never shown to have feelings for her at all, and he just tried to kill her twice. NaruSaku is more logical than SasuSaku & NaruHina, their relationship has actually developed, unlike SasuSaku & NaruHina, you need interaction & development to have a realistic relationship, romance or not, NaruHina & SasuSaku needs a lot of writing for them to be realistic. And Sasuke isn't going to be with anyone, he will likely die against Madara & repent for everything he did, therefore he will die a good guy, there is no way he could just be accepted back to the village after everything he has done, even if he did live, he still doesn't have feelings for Sakura.

Negative ..
I meant Naruto & Hinata are suitable 4 each other as lovers not as friends.
seems that you misunderstood me.

I knew what you meant, but you obviously don't understand how a real relationship works, which is normal since most people on this site are 14-18 years old. To have a lasting relationship as lovers, you need a stable relationship in a normal & natural faction. NaruHina & SasuSaku can't last long because of this, Hinata is too shy & quiet around Naruto & Naruto won't be able to be himself because of this, Sakura was never able to be herself in front of Sasuke & Sasuke is just annoyed by Sakura. Naruto & Sakura can both be natural around each other, even after Sakura's "confession", there is no tension between them, that's how natural they can be

Sakura treats Naruto as she treats her brother.

Yea because flirting with your brother is normal right, lol.

All kidding aside, I'm a male, I have a sister, Naruto & Sakura do NOT have the same relationship, Sakura treats Naruto like a close friend that she cares for deeply, & that's the true. This whole NaruSaku = BroSis is laughable.

she can’t be shy & quiet like Hinata cuz she is not in love with Naruto.

We don't know how Sakura feels for Naruto, but we know she feels something for him. As Kishimoto said: "Naruto's close, but Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech", meaning she still loves Sasuke, but she has feelings for Naruto too. And that isn't a excuse, Naruto loves Sakura, he isn't shy around her.

[Taker369]

Originally Posted by deidara#1

My question is why does it matter? When did Naruto start to be about relationships?
Every show has relationship things in it of course but it is not the main point of Naruto to have thousands of love stories and romance.

i agree when did naruto become a lovey dovey manga ? thats all it seems to be about now is love and couples thats all naruto is now is a romance manga and it,s always the same thing sakura and naruto should be a couple no hinata and naruto and blah blah is this really what naruto has become a manga full of hate and romance ?

[THE X UCHIHA]

I only used it when someone has a fantastic answer

Liar .

I knew what you meant, but you obviously don't understand how a real relationship works, which is normal since most people on this site are 14-18 years old. To have a lasting relationship as lovers, you need a stable relationship in a normal & natural faction.

whats on the crack ?
Mr.Lover .... this has nothin to do with the real world’s relationships
This is manga which means anything the Author decides it in his mind will happen whether you like it or not .

please do not make me laugh .. Do you really think that Sakura would stop loving Sasuke just because you are a NaruSaku Wanker ??!! & you are trying to make a bit of sense for this naive unreasonable relationship between 2 Manga characters thinking that this relation might stupidly last longer than other Relationships.


Kishi showed how Sakura was & is in love with Sasuke .. she cannot be in love with someone treats him like a close friend , brother or something like that.

same thing for Hinata’s feelings towards Naruto.
I dunno why you are stubbornly & doggedly curbing Kishimoto’s will

yeah because flirting with your brother is normal right, lol.

how Ironic , Sakura has never flirted with Naruto .. even though that pervert did
I told you Sakura & Hinata was & is in love with Sasuke & Naruto since chapter 2 .

& please .. next time Keep it clean ... are we clear . (Mr.Lover) XD.

[Narutorious]

Liar .

Believe what you want then.

whats on the crack ?
Mr.Lover .... this has nothin to do with the real world’s relationships
This is manga which means anything the Author decides it in his mind will happen whether you like it or not .

Isn't the author a real person? This just sound like an excuse for someone with no comeback for it.

please do not make me laugh .. Do you really think that Sakura would stop loving Sasuke just because you are a NaruSaku Wanker ??!! & you are trying to make a bit of sense for this naive unreasonable relationship between 2 Manga characters thinking that this relation might stupidly last longer than other Relationships.

Sakura already shown to feel something for Naruto, so it's possible, and this is coming from someone who believes Sasuke loves Sakura, that's laughable.

Kishi showed how Sakura was & is in love with Sasuke .. she cannot be in love with someone treats him like a close friend , brother or something like that.

And Kishi showed Sakura may have feelings for Naruto & that Naruto loves Sakura, what's your excuse for thinking Sasuke loves Sakura? And it's easy to fall for a close friend, and NaruSaku don't have a BroSis relationship.

same thing for Hinata’s feelings towards Naruto.
I dunno why you are stubbornly & doggedly curbing Kishimoto’s will

You are the one being stubborn, thinking that Sasuke loves Sakura, Naruto doesn't have feelings for Hinata, Sasuke doesn't have feelings for Sakura, at least Sakura may have feelings for Naruto.

how Ironic , Sakura has never flirted with Naruto .. even though that pervert did

In the beginning of the timeskip, yes she did, she was asking about her looks, that is flirting, but you are just a kid so I guess you wouldn't know what true flirting is.

I told you Sakura & Hinata was & is in love with Sasuke & Naruto since chapter 2 .

Naruto love Sakura since the beginning too, so that's a moot point, or let me guess, it was just a crush right?

& please .. next time Keep it clean ... are we clear . (Mr.Lover) XD

Next time give me solid facts instead of opinions, you are a horrible debator, no match at all, if you have no real solids facts to back up your claim, I won't even bother with you, grow up.

[THE X UCHIHA]

@ Nartuorious

there is no benefit expected from this debate.
however I will answer you .

In the beginning of the timeskip, yes she did, she was asking about her looks, that is flirting, but you are just a kid so I guess you wouldn't know what true flirting is.

she asked him if she grew more sexy than ever before.
Naruto answered : you still as I knew you. Sakura.
do you consider that Flitring ? ... I do believe that you are the only kid here.
no , even a kid would be more experienced than you .

You are the one being stubborn, thinking that Sasuke loves Sakura, Naruto doesn't have feelings for Hinata, Sasuke doesn't have feelings for Sakura, at least Sakura may have feelings for Naruto.

in most anime serieses the central characters are more reticent about there feelings toward girls.
anyway .

YOU SHOULD REMEBER HOW SAKURA WAS TRYING TO DATE SASUKE.( IN THE ORIGINAL )
YOU SHOULD SEE HOW SHE WAS CRYING BEFORE & AFTER SASUKE’S DEPARTING.
YOU SHOULD look at HER FACE WHEN SHE SAW HIM AGAIN AT ORO’S HIDING-PLACE.

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if you think that Naruto do not have feelings for Hinata .. then you are wrong.

1. he almost turned into Kyubi for her.
2. just remeber the chunin exam & you will realize that NaruHina was & is true.

Naruto love Sakura since the beginning too, so that's a moot point, or let me guess, it was just a crush right?

that wasn’t love .. that was impressing from Naruto. love is a different thing which your thick brain has no clue about it.

Next time give me solid facts instead of opinions, you are a horrible debator, no match at all, if you have no real solids facts to back up your claim, I won't even bother with you, grow up.

my arguments were & are solid facts. I know myself pretty well. I don’t need 4 your stupid opinion.
and guess what , I do think that your thick brain doesn’t have the ability of matching facts.

I have successful experiences . I’m in 17. and I’m not in need for your stupid villain advices about growing Up.



damn ,those NaruSaku Wankers .

[Narutorious]

she asked him if she grew more sexy than ever before.
Naruto answered : you still as I knew you. Sakura.
do you consider that Flitring ? ... I do believe that you are the only kid here.
no , even a kid would be more experienced than you .

Yes, that is fiirting, it's not Sakura's fault that Naruto was too naive, which Jiraya had point out right away. I just look on your profile & you're 17, I knew you was around that age based on how you respond, pretty immature don't you think, & I don't flirt anymore, but I don't need to, I let my body do the talking kid.

in most anime serieses the central characters be more reticent concerning there feelings toward girls.
anyway.

Based on the character, it isn't Naruto's character to do that.

YOU SHOULD REMEBER HOW SAKURA WAS TRYING TO DATE SASUKE.( IN THE ORIGINAL )
YOU SHOULD SEE HOW SHE WAS CRYING BEFORE & AFTER SASUKE’S DEPARTING.

Yea I remember, too bad she was 12 at the time, don't know if you know but she's 16 now.

YOU SHOULD look at HER FACE WHEN SHE SAW HIM AGAIN AT ORO’S HIDING-PLACE.

Naruto had more emotional expressions when it came to Sasuke, does he love him romanticly?

if you think that Naruto do not have feelings for Hinata .. then you are wrong.

Can you give me any indications or hints that he does? No you can't.

1. he almost turned into Kyubi for her.

Cuz one of his friends "died" in front of him, how did the seal broke in the first place? Cuz Sasuke "died" in front of him, all that proves is that he cares for Hinata, which he cares for all his friends, Hinata isn't different.

2. just remeber the chunin exam & you will realize that NaruHina was & is true.

Don't just say it, give me an example. Naruto didn't like the fact that Neji was talking about destiny, Naruto had to work for what he had, this was also about Lee & himself, not just Hinata. I also remember Naruto giving everything he had & more to save Sakura from Gaara, how come you didn't mention that?

that wasn’t love .. that was impressing from Naruto. love is a different thing which your thick brain has no clue about it.

So Sakura loves Sasuke & Hinata loves Naruto but Naruto doesn't love Sakura, typical answer from an anti-NaruSaku fan. It was implied that Naruto still love Sakura recently so that's moot. And I'll be marry soon, don't tell me that I don't know what love is, and this is coming from someone who believes Sasuke loves Sakura, you don't know what love is.

my arguments were & are solid facts. I know myself pretty well. I don’t need 4 your stupid opinion.

and guess what , I do think that your thick brain doesn’t have the ability of matching facts.

You didn't give me anything, nothing at all, what facts are you talking about?

I have successful experiences . I’m in 17. and I’m not in need for your stupid villain advices about growing Up.

No you don't, you're still young & you think like a teenager, I was already going on 2nd based with girls when you was still wearing pullups, and NaruHina/SasuSaku are perfect teenage relationships, no development whatsoever & would end in a matter of weeks because they have nothing in common.

damn ,those NaruSaku Wankers .

Nonsense, you have nothing, you have no proof, no facts, no background, nothing, you just giving me what you prefer instead of what is true. And I'm not a wanker at all, I'm realistic, Naruto loves Sakura, Sasuke doesn't love Sakura, Naruto doesn't love Hinata, that's the way it is, no reason to deny it regardless what pairings you like, you're starting to bore me now, can you give me some actual facts or indications please? You not giving me solid information makes you a NaruHina/SasuSaku wanker.

[Bacon]

The reason why is because Kishi writes good action sequences,but his character development is meager at best.

[shikamarulover18]

Originally Posted by Narutorious

While the "abuse" could be seen as romantic by some, that wasn't my intention, I just meant in Japan, the "abuse" wouldn't be seen as actual abuse, it's just meant for laughs only, though it is a trend in Shonen mangas that the main character is "abuse" by his love interest, and ends up being with his love interest.

i get what you're saying but i still think sakura's treatment of him--especially when they were kids at the academy--is less than admirable. i mean--i treat dead bugs nicer than sakura treats naruto. if they were to remain friends, i wouldn't really care how she treats him--but since some think they're headed towards romance, well that's the problem. nobody should be in an abusive romantic relationship--let alone an abusive friendly relationship. naruto definitely deserves better.

Those reasons are too common for NaruHina/anti-NaruSaku fans, I like to be realistic though, Naruto & Sakura has the best friendship right now & that will lead to a better lasting relationship, and because I care about Naruto's feelings the most, I want NaruSaku to happen more than anything else since Naruto deserves to be with his first love the most, & NaruSaku would be the most natural relationship, while I don't think NaruHina or SasuSaku would be natural at all, Hinata is too shy, Sasuke & Sakura just tried killing each other.

maybe right now naruto and sakura seem to be friends. but i think that's because naruto just whooped pains arse and he's the town's hero. of course she's going to cozy up to him when he's all important, powerful, famous, and special. and while i agree that naruto's feelings matter to me the most, i think, if he truly likes sakura, then he just doesn't know what's best for him. of course, i acknowledge that people can't really control who they love but still..i guess i just want naruto to be appreciated by his significant other. and i don't think sakura could fufill that role.

I always say love is not about what you deserved, it's about how you feel, if that was the case, Naruto & Lee both deserved Sakura, but if Naruto doesn't feel that way about Hinata, it can't be help, realisticly speaking, the fans would be more upset about this then Hinata herself, Hinata never try to pursuit a relationship with Naruto.

you're right. if naruto DOESN'T feel that way about hinata, then there's nothing to be done. however, if he DOES, then sakura needs to leave them alone and be on her merry way.

Naruto & Sakura are more suitable for each other, they can be natural around each other, the same can't be said for NaruHina, Hinata is too shy & quiet while Naruto is too loud & open.

well you never know. they do say opposites attract. perhaps hinata's shyness is the perfect foil to naruto's loudness and obnoxiousness. and being a shy girl myself, i kind of have a soft spot for hinata because i get where she's coming from. it's not easy to just "be natural" around the guy you love. you're constantly hyperaware of everything you do. and everything he does. it's tough and i don't like to think that that trait will give her a disadvantage in the competition for naruto's affection. besides, who would you rather spend your life with? the shy, quiet, kind-hearted girl or the abusive, angry, obnoxious, violent one?

[THE X UCHIHA]

I let my body do the talking kid.

no offense , but only animals are letting their bodies do the talking ...
and I am not Kid - I know you would’t mean that but choose your words correctly Next time.

So Sakura loves Sasuke & Hinata loves Naruto but Naruto doesn't love Sakura, typical answer from an anti-NaruSaku fan. It was implied that Naruto still love Sakura recently so that's moot.

Sakura cannot be in love with Naruto because she knows that Hinata loves him .. are you getting this ??!!

NaruSaku is impossible ... impossible

I repeat !


the only reason Sakura can’t is because she knows that Hinata loves Naruto

besides , I do not think that Sakura has ever treated Naruto as her lover .

how ever , I will give you more solid facts in other post!

I'll be marry soon, don't tell me that I don't know what love is

I told you before , this has nothin to do with the real world’s relationships.
this is Manga ..

It doesn’t matter what the writer is , the thing which does matter is what the writer wants & believes

the whole Naruto Story is unreal .

please forgive me , I was rough with U , thinking that you were at my age.
I just get angry apace ^^
but your point still wrong.


@Shikamarulover18


I am agreed with every single word you have said ...
but I have other ways in expressing my points especially with NaruSaku fans.

actually, your answers + mine were the very solid facts which he was asking for.

[shikamarulover18]

Originally Posted by Taker369

i agree when did naruto become a lovey dovey manga ? thats all it seems to be about now is love and couples thats all naruto is now is a romance manga and it,s always the same thing sakura and naruto should be a couple no hinata and naruto and blah blah is this really what naruto has become a manga full of hate and romance ?

thank you for you input, but i believe we already discussed this notion towards the beginning of the thread. just to reiterate, we acknowledged that although naruto isn't about romance explicitly and should therefore not be judged accordingly, the mere fact that there IS romance in the series at all justifies our speaking about it. if naruto was solely about action and adventure, then this discussion wouldn't be taking place. however, because there is romance present, no matter how little the amount may be, the fact is that it still exists and can thus be discussed. it may not be central to the plot or the genre of naruto, but because kishi does make some attempt at cultivating it, then i see no logical reason as to why we wouldn't discuss it.

Originally Posted by THE X UCHIHA

@Shikamarulover18


I am agreed with every single word you have said ...
but I have other ways in expressing my points especially with NaruSaku fans.

actually, your answers + mine were the very solid facts which he was asking for.

thanks for agreeing, X Uchiha. and i agree with some of both your and narutorious' arguments. i understand how you think it would be impossible for sakura to pursue naruto after hinata's confession and subsequent unspoken claim on naruto. from a relativistic standpoint, girls generally think that once a guy is spoken for (claimed, but in a less possessive sense than the word implies) that he becomes off-limits for other girls. i believe the more colloquial term to describe this is "dibs." hinata got to naruto first so she essentially has dibs on him, so naturally sakura is going to have a difficult time plowing down hinata to be with naruto. however, i don't think that's necessarily impossible. sakura is clearly more agressive than hinata and while i personally think that it would be more fair for hinata to win, we must remember that not all is fair in love [and war]. sakura, no matter how much i dislike admitting it, may win. and that's just a reality that we may have to face.

however, on the other side of the argument (namely Narutorious' side), i agree with what he's saying about SasuSaku. I just don't really see much of a future for those two.. Maybe it's because he tried to kill her, maybe it's because he never liked her to begin with--but I just really don't think things will work in her favor. and of course, naruto will probably have to pick up the broken pieces, again, when sasuke rejects her for the Xth time.

[THE X UCHIHA]

@ Narutorious,
sorry again 4 being rough w/u
I will talk with the right way now.




why do you think Kishimoto made Hinata loves Naruto .. and made Sakura loves Sasuke to death
in my opinion Kishi has a reason.

we naturaly know for the fact that Guys should look for there lovely Girls .
on the other hand if Girls rejected them, the relation is no more .
from this principle Kishi’s imagination about relationships begins.

& frankly, the guy’s loyality is unreliable ,therefore; the betraying issues start from him.
cuz any guy can make out with girls even though he ain’t loving them.
contrary to girls , they cannot be involved in a relationship without being in love
thus, in Kishi’s point of view , the base of any successful relationship stands on what the girl wants & feels.
I’m not saying - the guy’s feelings are not important - of corse they are , but the girl’s feelings have the Priority.

example : we all saw how Sakura was willingly rejecting by punching him . even though she was kidding.
the only reason why she did that, was because she loved Saskue & she can’t stop thinking about him.


same thing 4 Hinata, she can’t be in love with another guy except Naruto. after Hinata’s confession - I do think Naruto will make a serious step in but the future, not now



about Saskue , actually .. he is facing alot of confused events right now .. so he can’t pay attention to any girl in the current time.but if Sasuke wanted to make out .. the girl would be Sakura because she was the only person who took a real care of him at Konoha’s Hospital when he was injured by the hand of the 4 sound .

[The Nine-Tailed Naruto]

Originally Posted by Narutorious

Yea I remember, too bad she was 12 at the time, don't know if you know but she's 16 now.[/COLOR]

Agreed, That was Fangirl Sakura

PS: "Love" as they call it, is ALWAYS fake under the age 14 OR 15. Basic fact of life you damn Sasusaku Naruhina Wankers.

[FoxxyKat]

I agree with the original poster. The 'romance' in Naruto is quite sad. That's why I think there should be no pairings in the end. None of them are fully developed.