NaruSaku vs. NaruHina

[KibaAndAkamaru]

Originally Posted by TheBraveShinobi

Well, Shino doesn't show it all that much xP

As much as I hate saying this but, I agree with Sagittarius.

And, TheBraveShinobi, what a good excuse. Shino isn't a much of a talkative person like Kiba, so you "think" he doesn't like her. You don't know his feelings.

What is he, furniture for you to be talking to him like that?
You're not the one to judge if he likes Hinata or not. So as Kiba.

[Rorin]

Originally Posted by TheBraveShinobi

I didn't say Hinata didn't risk her life, i said Naruto wouldn't want to risk his life for her, are you blind or something?
Btw: i don't have time to argue with a 4 year old kid who doesn't even know to reply back and let his anger get the better of him

Okey, my bad. But how do you know that he wouldn't do that?
P.S. Sakura is better of with Sasuke.

[katsu uchiha]

Originally Posted by Rorin

Okey, my bad. But how do you know that he wouldn't do that?
P.S. Sakura is better of with Sasuke.

Sure. Trying to kill one another is a real great relationship. Uh-huh.

I think the point trying to be made here is that. If any of Naruto's friends were in danger. He would risk his life to save them. Because they mean a lot to him. But he saves Sakura on more cases and times because he's in love with her. And Sakura saves Naruto more also because I think it has to do with losing Sasuke to Orochimaru and the Akatsuki and not wanting to lose Naruto as well. They both don't want to lose each other. One of their own as already been lost. They don't want another one of their own lost as well. And Sakura's come to learn to put her life on the line after watching Naruto put his life on the line to bring back Sasuke back for her (and failing to do so). And everything he's done to try and bring Sasuke back as shown Sakura to put her life on the line. Since Sakura doesn't want to lose Naruto like she's already lose Sasuke, the concern Naruto has for her has shown her to have concern for Naruto's well being. The fact that either of them doesn't want to see the other killed and lost. Shows great care for another. And also why they stick their necks out for one another MORE than they do anyone else.

[Sagittarius]

Originally Posted by KibaAndAkamaru

As much as I hate saying this but, I agree with Sagittarius.

And, TheBraveShinobi, what a good excuse. Shino isn't a much of a talkative person like Kiba, so you "think" he doesn't like her. You don't know his feelings.

What is he, furniture for you to be talking to him like that?
You're not the one to judge if he likes Hinata or not. So as Kiba.

Ah, thank you.

You hit the nail on the head.

[TheBraveShinobi]

Originally Posted by KibaAndAkamaru

As much as I hate saying this but, I agree with Sagittarius.

And, TheBraveShinobi, what a good excuse. Shino isn't a much of a talkative person like Kiba, so you "think" he doesn't like her. You don't know his feelings.

What is he, furniture for you to be talking to him like that?
You're not the one to judge if he likes Hinata or not. So as Kiba.

Gosh, all i said is that Kiba shows concern for Hinata more. Nothing more nothing less.

[KibaAndAkamaru]

Originally Posted by TheBraveShinobi

Gosh, all i said is that Kiba shows concern for Hinata more. Nothing more nothing less.

Sorry, I went alittle well 'serious'. :]

[TheBraveShinobi]

Originally Posted by Rorin

Okey, my bad. But how do you know that he wouldn't do that?
P.S. Sakura is better of with Sasuke.

He wouldn't risk his life for her because he rarely ever does that to anyone, and I'm certain that he wouldn't do that for a girl he barley knows. On the other hand he certainly will risk his life for Sakura because she's his teammate and also his crush.

[KibaAndAkamaru]

Originally Posted by Sagittarius

Ah, thank you.

You hit the nail on the head.

Hah! My pleasure...
Have a good weekend my 'friend'.

[Rorin]

Originally Posted by katsu uchiha

Sure. Trying to kill one another is a real great relationship. Uh-huh.

I think the point trying to be made here is that. If any of Naruto's friends were in danger. He would risk his life to save them. Because they mean a lot to him. But he saves Sakura on more cases and times because he's in love with her. And Sakura saves Naruto more also because I think it has to do with losing Sasuke to Orochimaru and the Akatsuki and not wanting to lose Naruto as well. They both don't want to lose each other. One of their own as already been lost. They don't want another one of their own lost as well. And Sakura's come to learn to put her life on the line after watching Naruto put his life on the line to bring back Sasuke back for her (and failing to do so). And everything he's done to try and bring Sasuke back as shown Sakura to put her life on the line. Since Sakura doesn't want to lose Naruto like she's already lose Sasuke, the concern Naruto has for her has shown her to have concern for Naruto's well being. The fact that either of them doesn't want to see the other killed and lost. Shows great care for another. And also why they stick their necks out for one another MORE than they do anyone else.

What you said it's so pathetic and easily arguable that i won't even bother doing that.

[Rorin]

Originally Posted by TheBraveShinobi

He wouldn't risk his life for her because he rarely ever does that to anyone, and I'm certain that he wouldn't do that for a girl he barley knows. On the other hand he certainly will risk his life for Sakura because she's his teammate and also his crush.

Same thing like i said "katsu uchiha" I'm just going to prove you that you're not right after than please don't reply because you talk sh** and it makes me angry . KK first off, Fight against Nagato. Hinata gets stabbed protecting Naruto, Naruto goes mental turns into kyuubi and beats the hell out of him.

[katsu uchiha]

Why does it always seem to come down to talking about Hinata and her feelings and all that but totally almost leaving Naruto out of it, like he's not important. It's like you NaruHina fans totally make up feelings that Naruto doesn't in the first place has for Hinata?

NaruHina is very much one sided. It's been stated and posted previously in this thread a lot of times and given examples to counter NaruHina and be pro NaruSaku.

And calling what someone said, pathetic just makes you pathetic in turn.

When SasuSaku fans knew their pairing was dead when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura twice before Kakashi and Naruto saved her. They had to come to grips with the truth that they were wrong all along and were in denial the whole time.

Not every ending is a happy ending. And the "princess" doesn't always get her prince. But may otherwise be happy with someone else.

And please explain to me then why my previous post was so "pathetic" as you so put it? Please give me an explanation to back up what you said.

[Rorin]

Green: Obv you
Orange: Me

Originally Posted by katsu uchiha

Why does it always seem to come down to talking about Hinata and her feelings and all that but totally almost leaving Naruto out of it, like he's not important. It's like you NaruHina fans totally make up feelings that Naruto doesn't in the first place has for Hinata?

NaruHina is very much one sided. It's been stated and posted previously in this thread a lot of times and given examples to counter NaruHina and be pro NaruSaku.

And calling what someone said, pathetic just makes you pathetic in turn.

When SasuSaku fans knew their pairing was dead when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura twice before Kakashi and Naruto saved her. They had to come to grips with the truth that they were wrong all along and were in denial the whole time.

Not every ending is a happy ending. And the "princess" doesn't always get her prince. But may otherwise be happy with someone else.

And please explain to me then why my previous post was so "pathetic" as you so put it? Please give me an explanation to back up what you said.

As i said before. We are here to discuss every's characters feelings. The things about feelings is that they can change depending on circumstances. "NaruHina fans totally make up feelings" how dare you to write such a thing? Have you seen any of NH fans dissing NS fans?, No. "And calling what someone said, pathetic just makes you pathetic in turn." Since when is that?
"When SasuSaku fans knew their pairing was dead when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura twice before Kakashi and Naruto saved her. They had to come to grips with the truth that they were wrong all along and were in denial the whole time." I have discussed this before like 5 times or so.. Yes, Sasuke is a douche bag for his actions, but you not him you don't know whats going on in his mind. He is so full of hatred that killing his team mate would mean absolutely nothing and the only way you can show him that is by Naruto beating him up.
"Not every ending is a happy ending. And the "princess" doesn't always get her prince. But may otherwise be happy with someone else." No one said that this ending going to be happy so why bother putting that.
"And please explain to me then why my previous post was so "pathetic" as you so put it? Please give me an explanation to back up what you said." As i said before The facts that you post are easily arguable and used by many. As long as facts are not undeniable, they are useless. Yes, i do sometimes post such facts but i always consider if they are worth posting. The fact that i replied to all of your facts disagreeing with them and giving you my own evidence to back them up.

P.S. I'm not going to reply to you any more if in your post I going to have to repeat myself just because its stupid. Please read through people's post before stating your fact because it might been already explained.

[natsu21]

I have to tell the truth out here about sakura and hinata

sakura-baka for still loving a guy who wants to destroy ur villiage
-baka for still loving a guy who's clearly evil
-baka for thinking u culd take him down wit no juts oe genjuts just brute strength
-nvr loved naruto from the beginning in the academy on team 7
- put on a act sayin she loved naruto ye okay
- went dwn easily after bein hit by 9 tails after her big training with lady tsunade

hinata-pretty
-big boobs
-ocular jutsu (naruto might have rinngan sp they wuld wrk out gud 2gether)
- loved naruto from the beginning no doubt (faints wen she see's him)
-long sexy hair
-wuld totally do anything for naruto because she truly loves him
-confessed to naruto of her true love for him in the middle of a battle with pain
-definitely wuldn't go dwn easy after a 9 tail hit
- kno's medical ninjtsu
-has more points with the fans that narusaku

so in conclusion it obvious 4 me sakura is dead 2 me i dnt have the respect i once had wen she went thro from weak 2 super strong and hinata is obviously the best choice also if the writers write in that its narusakura nd not naruhina im offically not watchin shipuuden anymore nd sayin this im a hardcore otaku a present im watchin 10 animes so ya say wat u want but its naruhina 4 evr or else rasen shuriken on the writers lol

[Biggs Darklighter]

@natsu21-I have to tell the truth out here about sakura and hinata

sakura-baka for still loving a guy who wants to destroy ur villiage

(I think she is starting to have regrets for being in love with him.)

-baka for still loving a guy who's clearly evil

(Have you ever tried to get over your first love? Some people are infatuated with the bad boy type. They have a charm that's hard to resist. We know that they are bad for us, but we think we can change them.)

-baka for thinking u culd take him down wit no juts oe genjuts just brute strength

(She was trying to do everything alone instead of telling Naruto what was going on from the start.)

-nvr loved naruto from the beginning in the academy on team 7

(She thought Naruto was annoying at first. Sakura thought he was a bother who didn't understand what she wanted. Naruto understands even better than she does.)

- put on a act sayin she loved naruto ye okay

(Sakura tried to do it for his benefit.)

- went dwn easily after bein hit by 9 tails after her big training with lady tsunade

(who wouldn't go down?)




hinata-pretty

(That is your personal taste. Others don't find Hinata attractive)

-big boobs

(having big boobs doesn't necessarily make you a good lover)

-ocular jutsu (naruto might have rinngan sp they wuld wrk out gud 2gether)

(To my knowledge, Naruto does not have the rinnegan. I could be wrong.)

- loved naruto from the beginning no doubt (faints wen she see's him)

(Hinata<--?-->Naruto<--?-->Sakura---->Sasuke--->no one)

-long sexy hair

(so what? Short hair can be attractive too.)

-wuld totally do anything for naruto because she truly loves him

(and Sakura wouldn't do the same?)

-confessed to naruto of her true love for him in the middle of a battle with pain

(Cool to you? To some people Hinata shouldn't have rushed in.)

-definitely wuldn't go dwn easy after a 9 tail hit

(umm, yes she would)

- kno's medical ninjtsu

(Hinata does not know medical ninjutsu, basic first aid perhaps)

-has more points with the fans that narusaku

(I want whatever Kishimoto wants. If either NS or NH happens or not happen at all, it will be okay with me. I find it really sad that the girls have been reduced to some people than little more than pairing fodder. They could be so much more as individual characters)

so in conclusion it obvious 4 me sakura is dead 2 me i dnt have the respect i once had wen she went thro from weak 2 super strong and hinata is obviously the best choice also if the writers write in that its narusakura nd not naruhina im offically not watchin shipuuden anymore nd sayin this im a hardcore otaku a present im watchin 10 animes so ya say wat u want but its naruhina 4 evr or else rasen shuriken on the writers lol

[NaruHina4eva2011]

Naruto may want Sakura to be with him, but Hinata NEEDS Naruto in her life.

He will make her stronger, both emotionally and physically. He will make her filled with hope and capable of ruling the Hyuga.

Hinata has a need as a character. Kishimoto wrote her that way. Her NEED is to be with Naruto.

Plus Sakura would probably try to cheat on Naruto for Sasuke if she was given the chance.

[Kakashi99]

obviously Naruto likes Sakura but Hinata likes him secretly so im gonna go with narusaku...

[sadbuttrue93]

Originally Posted by NaruHina4eva2011

Naruto may want Sakura to be with him, but Hinata NEEDS Naruto in her life.

Naruto despite not realizing it, has been a major part of Hinata's life through his influence and inspiration. Being her role model/example helps Hinata.

He will make her stronger, both emotionally and physically. He will make her filled with hope and capable of ruling the Hyuga.

He has already done and will continue to do that. As stated above, he doesn't need to be her boyfriend to help her grow. He did, after all, help her grow without even knowing her name.

Hinata has a need as a character. Kishimoto wrote her that way. Her NEED is to be with Naruto.

She does/did have a need for growth. Naruto helps her grow, but I don't see how he needs to be her boyfriend in order to do that. He's done it without even knowing it before.

Plus Sakura would probably try to cheat on Naruto for Sasuke if she was given the chance.

Here's one major fallacy with that idea. Sasuke can't stand Sakura's company. He finds her annoying and wouldn't date her ever.

Also, if you're concerned about cheating/leaving, you do realize the fact that Hinata would not be a good fit for Naruto's wild, reckless lifestyle. He'd grow bored with her personality quickly. Hinata is very well-to-do, but that wouldn't interest Naruto. What makes you think he wouldn't want to/actually leave Hinata for a girl who he likes that may reciprocate his feelings?

Also, the fact that Sakura can and has controlled and kept up with Naruto's reckless self provides a reason to believe that Naruto would want to leave Hinata after a little time.

In red.

[Sagittarius]

Originally Posted by natsu21

I have to tell the truth out here about sakura and hinata

sakura-baka for still loving a guy who wants to destroy ur villiage
-baka for still loving a guy who's clearly evil
-baka for thinking u culd take him down wit no juts oe genjuts just brute strength
-nvr loved naruto from the beginning in the academy on team 7
- put on a act sayin she loved naruto ye okay
- went dwn easily after bein hit by 9 tails after her big training with lady tsunade

hinata-pretty
-big boobs
-ocular jutsu (naruto might have rinngan sp they wuld wrk out gud 2gether)
- loved naruto from the beginning no doubt (faints wen she see's him)
-long sexy hair
-wuld totally do anything for naruto because she truly loves him
-confessed to naruto of her true love for him in the middle of a battle with pain
-definitely wuldn't go dwn easy after a 9 tail hit
- kno's medical ninjtsu
-has more points with the fans that narusaku

so in conclusion it obvious 4 me sakura is dead 2 me i dnt have the respect i once had wen she went thro from weak 2 super strong and hinata is obviously the best choice also if the writers write in that its narusakura nd not naruhina im offically not watchin shipuuden anymore nd sayin this im a hardcore otaku a present im watchin 10 animes so ya say wat u want but its naruhina 4 evr or else rasen shuriken on the writers lol

My first thought was "what?". My second thought was "WHAT?".

She loves him, yes. However, she's not entirely happy with what he's become. One can't help their feelings.

This is the same as above.

Well actually it was a poisoned Kunai, but hey, whose paying attention.

I'm not actually sure how this is a bad thing. She didn't have to love him as neither did anything back then for the other.

She wanted to help him. As silly as that sounds.

Prehaps you're unfamilar with the Nine-Tails. Let me explain. He is the STRONGEST of the nine-tailed demons with unlimited chakra, stamina, ect. He could destroy mountains with a swipe of a tail, amoung other things. Brush up your info on this guy and those who fought him.

A girl with whitish eyes doesn't always appeal, but to each their own.

I see back trouble in her future.

No, Naruto does not have an eye technique.

I recall before Naruto's match with Neji, Hinata saying she used to give up on D-Rank missions. You have missions with your team. This means she met her team before seeing Naruto that one day. So, possibly she didn't love him back at the academy.

Opinion.

So she's a doormat? There's nothing wrong with saying "no" to someone you love and doing things your way.

I question how she has so much love for a guy she doesn't fully know. Or better yet, why she feel in love with him.

On yes she would. Still, I'd love to read your explanation of how she'd take down the fox.

No, she's never been shown to use Medical Ninjutsu. But thanks for the point to Sakura. Looks like you put it on the wrong spot. Ah, yes, almost forgot. That medical cream Hinata offered in the Chunin Exams? Yeah, we don't know if she made it herself.

Can't argue. I don't really know.

The rest I can't be bothered to translate.

He will make her stronger, both emotionally and physically. He will make her filled with hope and capable of ruling the Hyuga.

Oh, nice. If anyone ever needs a great reason to hate Hinata you just provided us with one. She's a needy little weakling without her man.

Plus Sakura would probably try to cheat on Naruto for Sasuke if she was given the chance.

Where'd you get this idea from?

[ChibiAsh]

The problems with Naruhina come down to this:

1) One sided on Hinata's part
2) Basically no development, other than a one sided crush
3) Naruto loves Sakura
4) For Naruhina to happen, Naruto would have to stop loving Sakura and start loving Hinata in a very short amount of time.
5) To change from Naruto loving Sakura to Hinata is something Kishi wouldn't do unless he wants to completely negate his own writing up until now. Good writers don't throw away years of development for no reason.


I would like to see a Naruhina fan come up with support for Naruhina that doesn't include the following reasons that could also be applied to any pairing or are just personal opinion and not evidence:

-Hinata deserves Naruto ( invalid- Could also be applied to Naruto and his deserving of Sakura. If anyone "deserves" anyone it's Naruto, and he loves Sakura.)
-Hinata has always loved Naruto (invalid-Naruto has always loved Sakura. Also, it doesn't matter how Hinata feels if Naruto doesn't feel the same way. Naruto is the hero of the story.)
-Hinata risked her life for Naruto fighting Pein (invalid-Sakura has risked her life in other ways, such as trying to kill Sasuke to release Naruto of his burden and trying to bring him back from the 4 tails state when with one blow she could have been killed. She has also helped Naruto by saving him from lonliness and constantly supporting him on missions, two things Hinata has not done.)
-Because I like her with Naruto more (personal opinion not evidence)
-Because they look good together (personal opinion not evidence)
-Because Hinata and Naruto make more sense (personal opinion not evidence)
-Because if NaruSaku happens a lot of fans will be disappointed (Says who? Personal opinion, and most of the readers are in Japan, not the U.S.)

And SasuSaku:

1) Sasuke has tried to kill Sakura not once, but two or three times now.
2) Sasuke has never loved Sakura. In fact, he's just fine right now with killing her.
3) Even before he left the village Sakura annoyed him and he never showed romantic interest. He never blushed around her or tried to pursue her in any way, and called her annoying constantly.
4) IF Sasuke is saved, he won't just change his mind and all of a sudden love Sakura out of nowhere, unless Kishi wants to negate all his writing up to this point.
5) Sakura may still have feelings for him, but she sees him completely differently from before. She pictures him as a crazed villain and is not happy with her lingering feelings (this can be seen in the manga)
6) There is plenty of evidence to suggest she has developed feelings for Naruto as well, while silmultaneously seeing Sasuke differently and starting to get over him. She no longer sits there fantasizing about being with him or daydreaming about him, and she's been clearly shown in the manga to be ashamed of her lingering feelings.

[Rorin]

Originally Posted by Biggs Darklighter

@natsu21-I have to tell the truth out here about sakura and hinata

sakura-baka for still loving a guy who wants to destroy ur villiage

(I think she is starting to have regrets for being in love with him.)

-baka for still loving a guy who's clearly evil

(Have you ever tried to get over your first love? Some people are infatuated with the bad boy type. They have a charm that's hard to resist. We know that they are bad for us, but we think we can change them.)

-baka for thinking u culd take him down wit no juts oe genjuts just brute strength

(She was trying to do everything alone instead of telling Naruto what was going on from the start.)

-nvr loved naruto from the beginning in the academy on team 7

(She thought Naruto was annoying at first. Sakura thought he was a bother who didn't understand what she wanted. Naruto understands even better than she does.)

- put on a act sayin she loved naruto ye okay

(Sakura tried to do it for his benefit.)

- went dwn easily after bein hit by 9 tails after her big training with lady tsunade

(who wouldn't go down?)




hinata-pretty

(That is your personal taste. Others don't find Hinata attractive)

-big boobs

(having big boobs doesn't necessarily make you a good lover)

-ocular jutsu (naruto might have rinngan sp they wuld wrk out gud 2gether)

(To my knowledge, Naruto does not have the rinnegan. I could be wrong.)

- loved naruto from the beginning no doubt (faints wen she see's him)

(Hinata<--?-->Naruto<--?-->Sakura---->Sasuke--->no one)

-long sexy hair

(so what? Short hair can be attractive too.)

-wuld totally do anything for naruto because she truly loves him

(and Sakura wouldn't do the same?)

-confessed to naruto of her true love for him in the middle of a battle with pain

(Cool to you? To some people Hinata shouldn't have rushed in.)

-definitely wuldn't go dwn easy after a 9 tail hit

(umm, yes she would)

- kno's medical ninjtsu

(Hinata does not know medical ninjutsu, basic first aid perhaps)

-has more points with the fans that narusaku

(I want whatever Kishimoto wants. If either NS or NH happens or not happen at all, it will be okay with me. I find it really sad that the girls have been reduced to some people than little more than pairing fodder. They could be so much more as individual characters)

so in conclusion it obvious 4 me sakura is dead 2 me i dnt have the respect i once had wen she went thro from weak 2 super strong and hinata is obviously the best choice also if the writers write in that its narusakura nd not naruhina im offically not watchin shipuuden anymore nd sayin this im a hardcore otaku a present im watchin 10 animes so ya say wat u want but its naruhina 4 evr or else rasen shuriken on the writers lol

-"I think she is starting to have regrets for being in love with him."
-That what worries me the most "i think" any facts no? why bother saying than!

-"Have you ever tried to get over your first love? Some people are infatuated with the bad boy type. They have a charm that's hard to resist. We know that they are bad for us, but we think we can change them."
-"we" no it should be "i" besides his not female how can he understand that?

-"She thought Naruto was annoying at first. Sakura thought he was a bother who didn't understand what she wanted. Naruto understands even better than she does."
-But ain't that what happens to everyone? But it's not love please get this one right.

-"Sakura tried to do it for his benefit."
-That's why i don't like her...

-"Hinata<--?-->Naruto<--?-->Sakura---->Sasuke--->no one"
-I totally agree with this one.

-"Cool to you? To some people Hinata shouldn't have rushed in."
-Obvious that people who didn't want her to rush in were NS fans who else wouldn't want that besides who cares what people want's and what they don't want.

-"and Sakura wouldn't do the same?"
-she definitely wouldn't do the same. If she would than why she didn't helped Naruto fight against Nagato only one who did was Hinata.

-"Hinata does not know medical ninjutsu, basic first aid perhaps"
-She is the fighter type...