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Old 11-23-2011, 10:49 PM   #61
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Goku did not punch a hole in hirudegarn. He summoned the Dragon and the dragon finished him. Goku didn't even touch Hirudegarn
I just read this and there isn't accually a dragon. It is gokus energy emmited through his fist so he could punch through it. So really, Goku did all of the work. And he fair and square killed the hirudegarn.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:50 PM   #62
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the head of the dragon was Goku's fist when it was going though that monster
The whole entire dragon came out of Goku's fist, not just the head. You see, it did not matter about the strength of Goku's punch because he had not made any actual contact with Hirudegarn. The dragon did. It is the strength of the dragon is what counts in this. Not necessarily Goku's strength
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:54 PM   #63
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I just read this and there isn't accually a dragon. It is gokus energy emmited through his fist so he could punch through it. So really, Goku did all of the work. And he fair and square killed the hirudegarn.
No, this time it was the actual dragon. It's not like the other times.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:55 PM   #64
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Goku still did use his energy so therefore he still killed it. If you kill something with a kamehameha or punching it it is still killed by the user. So Goku still beat it.
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:06 PM   #65
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Goku still did use his energy so therefore he still killed it. If you kill something with a kamehameha or punching it it is still killed by the user. So Goku still beat it.
The dragon is an actual entity though. So yes goku did kill hirudegarn, but that's not the point I was making with that statement. You joined in too late, therefore missed out why I stated this
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Goku didn't summon living dragon, he used a powerfull punch that took on the form of a dragon
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:18 PM   #67
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[QUOTE=ILIKEPIE;5705716]Goku didn't summon living dragon, he used a powerfull punch that took on the form of a dragon[/QUOTE
How do you know it was a powerful punch. All he did was punch air. He didn't punch anything, so technically speaking you can't measure how powerful his punch was. It was the gosh darn dragon he summoned. This Fire Dragon is an actual entity unlike the other ones where it shows goku going through his enemies, it was just the dragon itself that went through this time
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:42 PM   #68
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Goku did go though that monster he clearly was moving towards the monster during the attack and after he was on the other side of where it was
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The dragons only enity is Goku. It is not alive. Goku used his energy to create the illusion of a gold dragon even thou it wasn't there. And just a question not a statement or an ague but are the movies canon?
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Dragon Fist: An attack where Goku Jumps at his foe, and punches through them with tremendous ki.

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Old 11-24-2011, 08:38 AM   #71
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The dragons only enity is Goku. It is not alive. Goku used his energy to create the illusion of a gold dragon even thou it wasn't there. And just a question not a statement or an ague but are the movies canon?
Not really since they aren't manga about them
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Goku did go though that monster he clearly was moving towards the monster during the attack and after he was on the other side of where it was
Goku does indeed go through the monster, but the energy he used to create the dragon simply crushed hirudegarn
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Anyway, Hirudegarn clearly made SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegeta, and whoever else tried fight him look like preschoolers. You see, SSJ3 Goku had to use Dragon Fire to win that fight. It was basically a more advanced Dragon Fist. Now keep in mind, if Dragon Fire killed Hirudegarn, and Hirudegarn made Ultimate Gohan look like Kid Gohan, then Dragon Fire would surely kill Gohan.
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creater of Dragon Ball is believed to have stated he is the strongest character in the entire manga
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I say a super dragon fist completely annihilates kid buu.
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GT was not written by Toriyama therefor is not canon
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super buu regen'd from smokey vapour. and buu isnt hirudegarn. different circumstances.

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he still couldn't beat BuuHan when he went Super Saiyan
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First of all base Vegito could have easily beaten Gohan Buu.
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