Itachi vs. Minato

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

honestly , do u people think that the battle of itachi and minato will be genjutso and gg !!

u cant be serious

[Isoteen]

What do you presume Minato does to counter it?

He has no base knowledge Itachi can use Genjutsu with eye contact.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Not really, the Uchiha clan didn't really have MS users while Minato was alive. Even then, even the head of the clan didn't know much about the technique (Itachi's father), so presuming Minato has knowledge on ocular Genjutsu is kind of silly.

Aside from that, you can't prove Minato's chakra really gives him knowledge back once it's depleted.

Minato's chakra was destroyed when Naruto used Kyuubi chakra, which was before he really saw the brim of Itachi's full scale ability.

The closest you can get to him knowing Itachi's power would be speculation on how Kakashi got a week in the hospital, however Naruto wasn't there, and nobody really told Naruto he used Genjutsu through his eyes.

Oh well either way Minato is a Kage and he knew about Madara, which prompts me to believe that he at least knows some things about the Uchiha and their power. LK gave some logical reasoning too. In any case, we've seen Minato's fighting style; he would be teleporting too much for Itachi to accurately pinpoint him with genjutsu, and in close range, Itachi would have even more problems.

Minato's chakra returned to him I believe, or whatever that was, it was like his essence or something. I think of that as a clone of some sort.

Naruto was told by Kakashi to avoid his eyes and so he did. It's just that Naruto didn't know about the finger genjutsu.

Originally Posted by Itachi-Returns

-Minato has no counter to his genjutsu, which would leav Minato open for attacks while he's under the illusion.
-You can't teleport out of the Tsukuyomi.
-Yatama Mirror sealing = Goodbye
-Amaterasu can be spammed.
-BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Since when could Minato pierce the Susano'o?

-See above
-The Totsuka Sword can only seal things it stabs, and it can only stab things it can catch. So tell me how Itachi "catches" Minato (unless he uses genjutsu but that's a totally different thing).
-Doesn't matter if Ammy can be spammed, because Minato will be dodging it.
-The only thing that will be burning is Itachi's face once Minato uses a rasengan on him :P
-He doesn't need to pierce Susanoo. I don't get why people assume Susanoo needs to be broken in order for Itachi's opponent to win. Susanoo can be dodged, attacked from behind, etc.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by LUCKY.KAKASHI

yes minato is the hokage of konoha , so he should know the basics of fighting uchiha , onki know that when he said to the army " don't look to madara eyes " and he wasn't from konoha , guy know it , kakashi know it , chyio said " do not battling an uhiha face to face " , so why minato who is from the same village , who mentioned to be genius , wouldn't know this info ! , and fall in the stupid trick of looking strait at an uchiha eyes !!

I'm pretty sure that the OP didn't say he gets any knowledge, and as the BG tier list defaults stand, I don't believe they currently have any knowledge either. However, with knowledge, this statement would be slightly more true than it currently is.

Basically, your entire post is speculation, and I disagree.

Even so, what would he do about it? Sure, it's said that Minato's a genius, but he's never shown any real, solid reaction feats, or the ability to read someone's movements by their feet. Minato would not be able to beat Itachi. Period.

We also haven't seen him able to get out of Tsukiyomi.

[Isoteen]

Minato dodging Amy with foot speed?

Eeehhhh baseless.

His foot features in the manga weren't that impressive. I've seen Sasuke do more impressive things, and Itachi was accurate enough not to kill Sasuke with it.

Can't attack from behind when you're dodging from the front =)

More over, Minato having knowledge on Madara doesn't make much of a difference. I mean all Kakashi knew was that he was defeated by the 1st. Nobody really knew much about it, at least the manga didn't support knowledge on MS until Itachi showed it to Kakashi.

The earliest character to know about Itachi was Kakashi, since Itachi's abilities opened after Minato was dead.

It's easy to say he knows about everything since he's hokage, but bottom line, he never fought anyone with the technique, and the manga only showed the technique after he was dead.

[Kuromaki]

Good thing Minato has Hiraishin then.

It makes a difference because Madara was the strongest Uchiha to date.. I'm sure that Minato would exercise some caution with this one and wasn't Itachi starting to show himself as a prodigy?

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

I'm pretty sure that the OP didn't say he gets any knowledge, and as the BG tier list defaults stand, I don't believe they currently have any knowledge either. However, with knowledge, this statement would be slightly more true than it currently is.

Basically, your entire post is speculation, and I disagree.

Even so, what would he do about it? Sure, it's said that Minato's a genius, but he's never shown any real, solid reaction feats, or the ability to read someone's movements by their feet. Minato would not be able to beat Itachi. Period.

We also haven't seen him able to get out of Tsukiyomi.

have you read the defaults lately? I even bumped them so people could see...

Minato not showing any solid reaction feats? What about reacting to the fastest character in the story by far?

... until Naruto came along but you get my point

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Good thing Minato has Hiraishin then.

It makes a difference because Madara was the strongest Uchiha to date.. I'm sure that Minato would exercise some caution with this one and wasn't Itachi starting to show himself as a prodigy?

have you read the defaults lately? I even bumped them so people could see...

Minato not showing any solid reaction feats? What about reacting to the fastest character in the story by far?

... until Naruto came along but you get my point

Read them again, my bad.

However, there's still no proof he can read any foot movements, and when did he dodge the fastest character? o.o

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Read them again, my bad.

However, there's still no proof he can read any foot movements, and when did he dodge the fastest character? o.o

When he dodged the Raikage at top speed with Hiraishin?

That may not be "foot speed" but its his reflexes that matter. It's not like Itachi will be able to effectively counter Hiraishin in time.

[Shikamaru Nara]

yeah, but he's not going to land a Hiraishin.

By that time, Itachi's got him in a Tsukiyomi.
Also, how will Minato lose Ammy?

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

yeah, but he's not going to land a Hiraishin.

By that time, Itachi's got him in a Tsukiyomi.
Also, how will Minato lose Ammy?

Hiraishin is teleporting via the use of tags.. Itachi can't stop Minato from spreading a bunch of tags seeing as it only takes a split second to do so.

Constant warping should get rid of that problem.

By dodging it..

[Shikamaru Nara]

Doesn't matter. Itachi's got speed feats too, you know. In fact, moreso than Minato. His reactions from feats are clearly in higher number than Minato's. Reaction and all.

He can still see when he's warping.

No. Ammy doesn't stop. Minato would tire out before Ammy would.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Doesn't matter. Itachi's got speed feats too, you know. In fact, moreso than Minato. His reactions from feats are clearly in higher number than Minato's. Reaction and all.

He can still see when he's warping.

No. Ammy doesn't stop. Minato would tire out before Ammy would.

Quality > Quantity. Unless you're willing to argue the whole Itachi 'reacting' to Kirin thing.

Yeah but he can't make eye contact with someone who's not there.

Why can't Minato just avoid the area Ammy was shot at? Better yet why can't he just warp it away like he did with the Kyuubi's chakra bomb.

[Bard Image]

Shikamaru Nara, not to intrude in this debate but it is quite intriguing, I am noticing you are repeating such things as Itachi has greater feats than Minato, though you say this without any proof or any of these feats in your post. I am puzzled, though I am interested in these feats from Itachi that trump Minato's, may I see the ones you have in mind?

Ah, I will also intrude( despite me claiming I would not :P ) and say that, Minato has had incredible feats, Madara or Tobi was in mid-slash with a kunai, killing Naruto and, with his non-Hiraishin speed, took Naruto away from him before he knew what was happening. Also, the Kyuubi was in mid-smash with his paw, about to kill Kushina and, yet again with base speed Minato had saved her and was already sky high and plenty the distance away.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Quality > Quantity. Unless you're willing to argue the whole Itachi 'reacting' to Kirin thing.

Yeah but he can't make eye contact with someone who's not there.

Why can't Minato just avoid the area Ammy was shot at? Better yet why can't he just warp it away like he did with the Kyuubi's chakra bomb.

You guessed it.

Itachi was able to react to the speed of light. Although it wasn't physical foot movement, he was able to make the signs and put up a Susano'o before it hit him.

Isn't Chakra a pressing matter? "Teleport here, warp it there."

Originally Posted by Bard Image

Shikamaru Nara, not to intrude in this debate but it is quite intriguing, I am noticing you are repeating such things as Itachi has greater feats than Minato, though you say this without any proof or any of these feats in your post. I am puzzled, though I am interested in these feats from Itachi that trump Minato's, may I see the ones you have in mind?

Ah, I will also intrude( despite me claiming I would not :P ) and say that, Minato has had incredible feats, Madara or Tobi was in mid-slash with a kunai, killing Naruto and, with his non-Hiraishin speed, took Naruto away from him before he knew what was happening. Also, the Kyuubi was in mid-smash with his paw, about to kill Kushina and, yet again with base speed Minato had saved her and was already sky high and plenty the distance away.

Call me Michael or Shika, I don't like when people use my full username. xD

If you insist:

-Itachi reacts to Kirin
-Itachi was able to react to Sasuke coming at him with a bloodlust in the Uchiha hideout.
-Itachi was able to fight with Asuma, I believe. (That or Gai)
-He was on par with Kakashi in speed.


etc, etc.

[Bard Image]

Ah sorry, quite used to being formal. :P

I am pretty sure inside the genjutsu was when Itachi was reacting to Sasuke(though other than their shuriken fight, it mainly consisted of Sasuke killing Itachi over and over, basically Itachi trolling if you will). Being on par with Kakashi and Asuma though, is still no match for some of the things Minato has shown(that I stated in my post). Reaction speed is not movement speed or fighting speed either, nor is there any solid evidence as Sasuke was talking during this time though I believe that is what Kishi intended.

Not really here to debate on this match though, I was just interested in these feats that trumped Minato's. Though in my opinion they don't exactly but, we are all entitled to opinions.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by Bard Image

Ah sorry, quite used to being formal. :P

I am pretty sure inside the genjutsu was when Itachi was reacting to Sasuke(though other than their shuriken fight, it mainly consisted of Sasuke killing Itachi over and over, basically Itachi trolling if you will). Being on par with Kakashi and Asuma though, is still no match for some of the things Minato has shown(that I stated in my post). Reaction speed is not movement speed or fighting speed either, nor is there any solid evidence as Sasuke was talking during this time though I believe that is what Kishi intended.

Not really here to debate on this match though, I was just interested in these feats that trumped Minato's. Though in my opinion they don't exactly but, we are all entitled to opinions.

Opinion has nothing to do with it.

Itachi appeared instantly behind Bee, forcing him to use chakra tentacles to counter him.

After that he captured Bee in Genjutsu rather quickly.

Bee reacted to Minato blinking behind him.

Mind you this is a seal transport feature, and Bee still managed to react.

In my opinion, and the authors, Itachi's speed clearly trumps Minato's foot speed and arguably his blinking ability.

By all means no one has proven Minato knows about eye Genjutsu, he will be taken down quite easily.

By all logic Minato will not be able to dodge Amy without dispersing transport Kunai, which seems rather difficult since Minato needs to see Itachi to know where to throw them. I.E. putting him in Genjutsu danger.

[Bard Image]

If I believe Konohamaru has the ability to trump the Nine Tailed Fox, I have a right to do so. If opinion had nothing to do with it, nobody would be debating about anything, ever.

Itachi was heavily on the defensive from Bee, forced to defend. Sasuke at least fought against his swords. Didn't do too well, I'll admit, but that is what he gets for not being as smart as Itachi and forced to avoid Killer Bee's superior speed.

Bee had knowledge of it, it is not reacting when he knows his technique.

Please show where Kishimoto ever implied Itachi to be superior in Minato, because Fourth Raikage and Minato being the fastest Shinobi alive have nothing to do with it?

I was not commenting on the fight, though I see how your naturally aggressive nature would get you confused, just reminding you.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by Bard Image

If I believe Konohamaru has the ability to trump the Nine Tailed Fox, I have a right to do so. If opinion had nothing to do with it, nobody would be debating about anything, ever.

Itachi was heavily on the defensive from Bee, forced to defend. Sasuke at least fought against his swords. Didn't do too well, I'll admit, but that is what he gets for not being as smart as Itachi and forced to avoid Killer Bee's superior speed.

Bee had knowledge of it, it is not reacting when he knows his technique.

Please show where Kishimoto ever implied Itachi to be superior in Minato, because Fourth Raikage and Minato being the fastest Shinobi alive have nothing to do with it?

I was not commenting on the fight, though I see how your naturally aggressive nature would get you confused, just reminding you.

Interesting, at what point was Itachi defending?

The only time he was in trouble was when a chakra tentacle basically blindsided him by popping out of the ground wrapping him up, and he countered that with Genjutsu.

Opinion is beaten by logic and features, which I clearly have posted for Itachi.

Please show me where anyone implied Minato countering Genjutsu? Because clearly this is not possible.

Does Minato's only features being seal porting have anything to do with it? Sure does.

I'm aggressive because I've had to post Itachi's features multiple times, while you posted no valid features for Minato except hype and dialogue that is centered around seal porting, which does not counter Genjutsu. Especially considering nobody has proven he has valid knowledge on ocular Genjutsu.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

minato base speed feats :


- at chapter 501 page 4 , minato blitez tobi .
- at chapter 501 page 12 , minato Dodge the nine tails , and save his wife .



minato reaction speed :

- He can react to a young A, who is at least the same speed as V2 A now, as implied by A himself.




chapter 501 page 16 , if minato didn't seal the nine tails , we wouldn't have this conversation , and sasuke and itachi would been dead . lol .

[TheBlackChidori]

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