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Old 11-05-2011, 09:05 PM   #1
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Default Ulquiorra VS Starrk

I'm bringing the much-debated Espada fight back for my (not-so) new Bleach Tier List. Aizen named Starrk number 1 among the Espada, but Aizen never saw Ulquiorra's second Resureccion. So, who is truly the Espada's best?

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Old 11-07-2011, 02:45 PM   #3
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I just decided not to come on as much. No particular reason.

Generally, people have said Ulquiorra in Segunda Etapa takes it, but that's still debatable. Lanza del Rampago is probably something Starrk can't take and survive from, but Starrk's wolf pack is still quite dangerous and can surround Ulquiorra. They both have formidable variations of Cero and quite impressive speed, so I'd say they're evenly matched at their base forms. If the battle progressed normally, Starrk's Resurreccion would probably get the better of Ulquiorra's first form, because I think Cero Metralleta (If that's the name, memory's a bit fuzzy on it) is too much for Ulquiorra to stop with even his most powerful Cero in Resureccion. Also difficult to dodge.
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IIRC, Starrk's Wolf Pack is literally unstoppable. They're simply made of Starrk's soul and can reform after any hit.

Speed-wise, Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra was casually blitzing Bankai Ichigo. Starrk easily held up against 3 of the more experienced Captains in Bleach. Can't really judge much from that.
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IIRC, Starrk's Wolf Pack is literally unstoppable. They're simply made of Starrk's soul and can reform after any hit.

Speed-wise, Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra was casually blitzing Bankai Ichigo. Starrk easily held up against 3 of the more experienced Captains in Bleach. Can't really judge much from that.
from what the canon ofers to us ulquiorra is faster than stark
and at ulq. speed he can blitz stark
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But Starrk has his wolves which means he can surround Ulquiorra and then bombard him with ceros while he is trying to avoid being blown up by kamekaze wolves.
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from what the canon ofers to us ulquiorra is faster than stark
and at ulq. speed he can blitz stark
Again, Ulquiorra was blitzing Bankai Ichigo.

Starrk easily handled himself against 3 of the more experienced Captains in Bleach.

You can't really say one's faster than the other from that.
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Again, Ulquiorra was blitzing Bankai Ichigo.
1st etapa was blitzing ichigo
segunda etapa owned him and even killed him
Starrk easily handled himself against 3 of the more experienced Captains in Bleach.
experience doesn't means speed
You can't really say one's faster than the other from that.
al the calcs show that ulq. is faster
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Again, Ulquiorra was blitzing Bankai Ichigo.

Starrk easily handled himself against 3 of the more experienced Captains in Bleach.

You can't really say one's faster than the other from that.
This is what I hate about bleach top espada. Its hard to compare.

I mean technically 2nd ressurreccion Ulq should be superior though unless then why did Kubo give that to him.
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ulq 2nd ressurreccion = the -1 esparda?
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ulquiorra was the 4th with first etapa feats
nobody knew about the segunda etapa
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Stark was giving Shunsui problems in the speed department. He's blitzing the emo clown
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This is what I hate about bleach top espada. Its hard to compare.

I mean technically 2nd ressurreccion Ulq should be superior though unless then why did Kubo give that to him.
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regarding your quote Shunsui still craps all over Ichigo's best feats minus destructive capacity..and his FGT state.

Stark showed comparable speed up until Shunsui decided to stop screwing with him and that suggests he's head over heals better than Shiffer
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We don't know how fast Hollow Ichigo is either.

Like I said comparisons are just too vague because of the daily dosage of Kuboism this manga receives in power level.

Again I also ask why did Kubo even bother to create a 2nd state for Ulqui-emo.

Considering that Ulquiorra was nearly blitzing vizard Ichigo in his first state, and you say shunsui can too which is very possible. But we don't how that correlates directly if you get what I am saying.
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Ulquiorra does have high speed regeneration, do not forget about that.
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We don't know how fast Hollow Ichigo is either.
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Like I said comparisons are just too vague because of the daily dosage of Kuboism this manga receives in power level.
i'm ignoring that and going by feats saves me the head ache

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Again I also ask why did Kubo even bother to create a 2nd state for Ulqui-emo.
because ever since DBZ main character fights need garbage like that

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Considering that Ulquiorra was nearly blitzing vizard Ichigo in his first state, and you say shunsui can too which is very possible. But we don't how that correlates directly if you get what I am saying.
I'm saying even Tyranosaurichigo in his ult hollow form isn't overly comparable too Shunsui in speed or hax or even durability and he mangled ulqi

whereas Stark is..and better yet has the ability to pull a viet nam and just carpet bomb the area

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which ended up killing him because it couldn't regenerate his organs having sacrificed "accuracy" for speed
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i'm ignoring that and going by feats saves me the head ache
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Thats seems little poor reasoning. Kubo could have easily done that with 1st Stage then easily.



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Here is the crux of the matter which I get confused over.
2nd release is supposed to (theoretically) increase speed strength power reiatsu



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whereas Stark is..and better yet has the ability to pull a viet nam and just carpet bomb the area
Sadly Starrk's release does seem better overall. Other than Cero Oscuras. Now I am not sure if Ulq is the only one who can do that.

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Seriously its not that higher up than Nnoitora's ability to regenerate his own extra arms.
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