Spoiler I'm sick of hearing about Naruto's PNJ

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who said that he never practiced using Susanoo? I'm sure they can't spend all their time showing each character training to improve their abilities. Sasuke didn't get everything handed down to him, he worked hard to get chidori and spent a lot of time improving it.

If anything I'd call that shadow clone jutsu hax'd now, I mean, each one of them has the kyuubi inside of them? I always thought that the clones split their Chakra evenly, and with the amount of chakra he's been using even Naruto should be completely out. (...but it does seem like he is now hahah)

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Paradoxal

I wouldn't be complaining about it because of Naruto getting the spotlight(even if I'm an Uchiha fan) I'm complaining about how predictable it has become to Naruto whipping up some new strategy and winning everything.

Plus Naruto's the hero not oonoki, so why the hell's Naruto not able to fight.

I could certainly say the same about Tobi.

This dude has more PNJ than I've ever seen.

"I'm faster than you, so you completely surrounding me with paper bombs and blowing up obviously means I'll survive"

"Nice Rasengan to my back Minato. But hey, I'll just get up like nothing happend, say something cool and then warp back out"

"Nice 6 billion paper bombs, my arm was completely blown off before that but I'm still alive even though I lost 90% of my blood since I was Izanagi for 10 minutes, I'm still able to move at top speed, explain everything clearly and remain completely conscious"

"Nice amy to my face Sasuke. But I'll find a way to survive somehow"

"Nice seal warping away Minato. But somehow I know where you warped to because I'm god and I'll just warp there too myself"

"I have little to no impressive offensive ability, but I'll completely rape this entire barrier of Anbu-Black Ops ninjas specially selected by the 3rd Hokage somehow, and I'll knock down these two geezers, steal your baby Minato without you even noticing me in the same room"

So in terms of the author being high on Naruto, you need to look at the dark side.

It seems like Tobi might win this war.

[kalmeast]

well, and not to forget, the most annoying part isn't that Sasuke was getting stronger without training,... but rather he was doing it "blindfolded" got it...?

sasuke:.."Naruto!...keep working your but off...i'll catch up to that with my "eyes closed"" lol.

[Super Sanin 3]

Poor Lee, he trains harder than everybody but became a useless side character :l

[PlatonicZombie]

People miss the point with this subject. Naurtoverse is like our world in that there are gifted people, wealthy people, poor people, and hard workers (a.k.a. the not so gifted people). Really, Kishi is just making the typical fighting story where we get to see the gifted athlete vs. the hard worker. Humanity likes these stories. We like to believe that if you work your hardest at something, you can actually be better than the person who has a natural affinity for that same thing you're pouring yourself into.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

I could certainly say the same about Tobi.

This dude has more PNJ than I've ever seen.

"I'm faster than you, so you completely surrounding me with paper bombs and blowing up obviously means I'll survive"

"Nice Rasengan to my back Minato. But hey, I'll just get up like nothing happend, say something cool and then warp back out"

"Nice 6 billion paper bombs, my arm was completely blown off before that but I'm still alive even though I lost 90% of my blood since I was Izanagi for 10 minutes, I'm still able to move at top speed, explain everything clearly and remain completely conscious"

"Nice amy to my face Sasuke. But I'll find a way to survive somehow"

"Nice seal warping away Minato. But somehow I know where you warped to because I'm god and I'll just warp there too myself"

"I have little to no impressive offensive ability, but I'll completely rape this entire barrier of Anbu-Black Ops ninjas specially selected by the 3rd Hokage somehow, and I'll knock down these two geezers, steal your baby Minato without you even noticing me in the same room"

So in terms of the author being high on Naruto, you need to look at the dark side.

It seems like Tobi might win this war.

Cause he warped it away.

Called Durability and hows it PNJ to withdraw?

Well thank goodness for Tobi Izanagi cheats Death.
And bloodloss for Tobi. lol when we know he is barely Human.

About as much PNJ as Karin surviving it.
Due to Ammy being useless.Possibly even using Izanagi.

Tobi has proven multiple times to have some sort of Power to locate People.
Again no PNJ.

ANBU = Top Fodder in the Manga first of all.
Secondly we know he was armed and is a tactical Genius.
And with Naruto:
He can pop up anywhere he likes.
Minato was focused on Kushina and Biwako and Taji were ambushed.


Your claim of PNJ has pretty much no Merit as it all can be explained more than well enough.

[Paradoxal]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

Poor Lee, he trains harder than everybody but became a useless side character :l

so much for him using only taijutsu

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Cause he warped it away.

Called Durability and hows it PNJ to withdraw?

Well thank goodness for Tobi Izanagi cheats Death.
And bloodloss for Tobi. lol when we know he is barely Human.

About as much PNJ as Karin surviving it.
Due to Ammy being useless.Possibly even using Izanagi.

Tobi has proven multiple times to have some sort of Power to locate People.
Again no PNJ.

ANBU = Top Fodder in the Manga first of all.
Secondly we know he was armed and is a tactical Genius.
And with Naruto:
He can pop up anywhere he likes.
Minato was focused on Kushina and Biwako and Taji were ambushed.


Your claim of PNJ has pretty much no Merit as it all can be explained more than well enough.

Tobi has durability? I never seen it. It's PNJ to think he could get up after that to begin with. His spine should be crushed and he should easily have over 20 bones in his body broken.

Putting your body under Genjutsu does not stop blood loss. He lost virtually 30% of his blood as soon as his arm was blown off. Then it began draining out. Barely human? He looks human to me.

Ammy is useless? Lol it virtually set him ablaze, his skin tissue should be charred and he should be infected on a mass level.

Some sort of ability to know where everyone is, at all times? How is this not PNJ? Honestly at this rate he could have warped into Naruto's bed room and grabbed him. Tobi arrived at places the manga needed him to, at times that served Naruto best. If it wasn't PNJ and he did have this power, by all means this shouldn't be a war. He clearly could have easily snatched anyone, anywhere.

Anbu= gang of ninja that are by all means capable of eliminating a high tier
As far as tactical genius goes not really. More like a PNJ protected power house with a world wide sensor ability, where in reality he has yet to show any sensor abilities in combat whatsoever.

There's really no logical way he could have defeated the Anbu to begin with. Seriously? They were literally guarding the entrance. And nobody reported to Minato that members were being killed? LOL PNJ ftw

Still waiting on an explanation of how one man surprisingly defeated a whole platoon of anbu ninja by only warping and going intangible. More importantly how he knew where they planned to have the delivery.

By all means this is the Naruto Tobi show. Everything illogical surrounds them to enhance the story and the development of their final battle.

[YamiNarutoRendan]

Originally Posted by Vivi

About as much PNJ as Karin surviving it.

When did Karin get hit by an Ammy? A chidori, yes, but an Ammy? Must have missed that issue....

Due to Ammy being useless.

Tell that to Mr. Raikage's arm.

[Rasengan SageX5]

Karin got hit by Ammy during the fight with Killer Bee. Sasuke was using Ammy for only like the second time and didn't really have control of it. He wasn't expecting Karin to walk in front of him. The only reason she survived is because he managed to shut it down.

[paradigm1977]

So Tobi can handle pain like A can. Dealing with pain has nothing to do with physical strength. Also, it's supposed to be painful to use Susanoo. Sasuke said he couldn't believe how Itachi did it, right after he got toasted by lighting that destroyed the roof.

Tobi's intangibility is likely the true, or a true form of Izanagi. But he only uses it for a few seconds at a time, unlike Danzo who ran it nonstop. This would explain why he has so many eyes.

And Minato did hurt Tobi. The chain was going through his arm and he didn't have the arm at his side, he was holding it like he was hurt.

He can find people by teleporting becasue he's a sensory type. That is established without it being said in a bubble on the page. Ao can sense multiple battle fields. That area coverage is further than Minato teleporting out of the city. To the nearby woods. Tobi can likely sense people he knows at far greater distances, like when he found Sasuke's group.

Also, we are only covering the most powerful Uchiha. Most of them probably have 1-3 tamo eyes and are weaker than when Sasuke was in training with Oro.

[EvL j3st3r]

Originally Posted by PlatonicZombie

People miss the point with this subject. Naurtoverse is like our world in that there are gifted people, wealthy people, poor people, and hard workers (a.k.a. the not so gifted people). Really, Kishi is just making the typical fighting story where we get to see the gifted athlete vs. the hard worker. Humanity likes these stories. We like to believe that if you work your hardest at something, you can actually be better than the person who has a natural affinity for that same thing you're pouring yourself into.

I feel the same way. My intention with this thread was to say that you can't call all these things that happen for Naruto PNJ unless you plan to call Sasuke's situation PNJ as well.

I personally don't feel like either situation is PNJ. As you said, it's just the base of the story. Sasuke is a natural genius who gains talent with little effort. Naruto is slower but stays on par with the genius due to an insane work ethic. You can't call it PNJ when it's the basis of the entire storyline....it's what everything is built on.