Guy vs Deva Path

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Does something suggest that theres some reason he would hold back?
I'd say someone trying to cut your legs off would be reason enough to throw something as hard as you can, likewise someone trying to kill your rapping sempai would be another reason.

So unless you can show me a lack of speed, I'm going to trust that he put force behind it, and as it's been proven, force equates to speed. Speed allows penetration. Raiton helped, but without speed its not going to be shooing through trees like it did.

And suddenly you know how fast he throws them because he doesn't hold back? Lol

Trust what you want, I'll trust logic.

And your lack of evidence.

Not in this example.

I'll refer to my previous example. Chidori in the hand does not move fast, yet it pierced everything it struck. Nothing suggests it was thrown faster than the average shuriken.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

And suddenly you know how fast he throws them because he doesn't hold back? Lol

Trust what you want, I'll trust logic.

And your lack of evidence.

Not in this example.

I'll refer to my previous example. Chidori in the hand does not move fast, yet it pierced everything it struck. Nothing suggests it was thrown faster than the average shuriken.

Logic says that he had every reason to throw it harder than the average shuriken.

Now then, for your lack of evidence.

He has reason to throw it harder than a usual shuriken, can you proof me otherwise?

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Logic says that he had every reason to throw it harder than the average shuriken.

Now then, for your lack of evidence.

He has reason to throw it harder than a usual shuriken, can you proof me otherwise?

No I can't.

But I can prove force does not equate speed.

Since in this universe Lightning Chakra pierces steel objects with little to no force.

Refer back to Killer Bee owning Zabuza's blade just by illuminating his own blade with lightning.

It would take no more than the average speed of a thrown shuriken to pierce trees with Killer Bee's Raiton chakra.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

No I can't.

But I can prove force does not equate speed.

Since in this universe Lightning Chakra pierces steel objects with little to no force.

Refer back to Killer Bee owning Zabuza's blade just by illuminating his own blade with lightning.

It would take no more than the average speed of a thrown shuriken to pierce trees with Killer Bee's Raiton chakra.

Except your saying force =/= speed
The point your trying to make is force =/= penetration

If you put force behind something it'll move faster. Moving faster makes it dig deeper.

However, on the first step, its a constant. Force adds speed. You push a car harder, it goes faster. The reason an explosion moves things fast enough to send hem flying is because of the force backing those objects generated by the explosion.

Otherwise guns don't work. They depend on force to provide speed.

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Except your saying force =/= speed
The point your trying to make is force =/= penetration

If you put force behind something it'll move faster. Moving faster makes it dig deeper.

However, on the first step, its a constant. Force adds speed. You push a car harder, it goes faster. The reason an explosion moves things fast enough to send hem flying is because of the force backing those objects generated by the explosion.

Otherwise guns don't work. They depend on force to provide speed.

I agreed to this.

However, in this example it can't be proven. Since there is Magical Lightning chakra that stops your logic.

Therefore, it would require significantly less speed to pierce objects.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

I agreed to this.

However, in this example it can't be proven. Since there is Magical Lightning chakra that stops your logic.

Therefore, it would require significantly less speed to pierce objects.

But I'm not saying the proof is in it piercing trees. Thats all you.
I'm saying the proof is in it moving from one tree to the next.

Magical lightning chakra does nothing to my logic.
Force = speed = penetration

Force =/= penetration directly. However, without force the pencil has no speed. With no speed, it wouldn't reach the first tree, let alone the second, third, or the stone behind it. Nor would it be able to maintain its angle in flight without dropping to gravity.


Unless you'd like to say magical lightning chakra suddenly disables gravity?

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

But I'm not saying the proof is in it piercing trees. Thats all you.
I'm saying the proof is in it moving from one tree to the next.

Magical lightning chakra does nothing to my logic.
Force = speed = penetration

Force =/= penetration directly. However, without force the pencil has no speed. With no speed, it wouldn't reach the first tree, let alone the second, third, or the stone behind it. Nor would it be able to maintain its angle in flight without dropping to gravity.


Unless you'd like to say magical lightning chakra suddenly disables gravity?

Well I understand the pencils were thrown somewhat fast.
But if Sasuke threw a shuriken it would go just as far.
Doesn't mean the shuriken is supersonic.
Doesn't mean the shuriken is any speed, because you can't prove how fast the shuriken was moving just because of the distance it traveled. You're missing a required part of that equation.

Time. Unless you have sharingan and can read panel time based on the authors selection, there is no way you can prove the speed of those pencils.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

Well I understand the pencils were thrown somewhat fast.
But if Sasuke threw a shuriken it would go just as far.
Doesn't mean the shuriken is supersonic.
Doesn't mean the shuriken is any speed, because you can't prove how fast the shuriken was moving just because of the distance it traveled. You're missing a required part of that equation.

Time. Unless you have sharingan and can read panel time based on the authors selection, there is no way you can prove the speed of those pencils.

Don't try me, shikamaru. Its well known that if the situation calls for it, I can bring calcs in and determine exactly how fast those pencils were moving.

Lets leave it though. I'm tired of arguing the point.

Deva path has no feats aside from pacing a 6-tails which also has no speed feats.

Guy has speed feats, and from a recent anime, he gets shinra tensei punches...

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Don't try me, shikamaru. Its well known that if the situation calls for it, I can bring calcs in and determine exactly how fast those pencils were moving.

Lets leave it though. I'm tired of arguing the point.

Deva path has no feats aside from pacing a 6-tails which also has no speed feats.

Guy has speed feats, and from a recent anime, he gets shinra tensei punches...

K

Well he dodged a Rasenshuriken, blitzed Kakashi, and Sage Naruto.

Farewell.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

K

Well he dodged a Rasenshuriken, blitzed Kakashi, and Sage Naruto.

When? Because I remember him being unable to do more than trade blows with base naruto... While naruto was running backwards.

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

When? Because I remember him being unable to do more than trade blows with base naruto... While naruto was running backwards.

He stabbed Kakashi, no?

Also it looked like Naruto was semi-Sage Mode.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

He stabbed Kakashi, no?

Also it looked like Naruto was semi-Sage Mode.

I wouldnt really call it a blitz. Almost looked like he meant to be stabbed to keep deva in place or something... But maybe.

He was base, he didn't have access to sage mode chakra until the old frog summoned one of his clones and naruto dispelled it, reentering SM without a transition.

Dunno. Got pages?

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I wouldnt really call it a blitz. Almost looked like he meant to be stabbed to keep deva in place or something... But maybe.

He was base, he didn't have access to sage mode chakra until the old frog summoned one of his clones and naruto dispelled it, reentering SM without a transition.

Dunno. Got pages?

I never have pages

I do this out of my awesome memory

But I do think he was holding him there since he put up a mud wall behind them, but that doesn't discount the fact Kakashi was stabbed.

It's a shame Deva doesn't have more blitzing features. Especially since I was so caught up on the pacing factor with KN6, it seems Deva may be more of a reaction type.

But lack of features doesn't always mean they aren't capable =)

[Frost ninja]

Well of course. I'm well aware that neither side blitzes.

The real question is can Deva handle a 99% naked and glistening Maito Guy?

I think not! D:<

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Well of course. I'm well aware that neither side blitzes.

The real question is can Deva handle a 99% naked and glistening Maito Guy?

I think not! D:<

Deva is much hotter, if I may say so.

And I'm a guy, so you have no choice but to agree to that statement.

IM WORKIN AGAINST NATURE HERE FOR GOD SAKE.

Actually he just looks more like a rock star.

[Frost ninja]

Lets agree to disagree.

Compromise?

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Lets agree to disagree.

Compromise?

Sure.

Spoiler:

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[Frost ninja]

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