Thanos vs Akatsuki

[Kisame]

Why was this thread deleted? I remember this section being where civilized debates could occur not just favoritism. The thread was deleted in the middle of a debate due to popular influence deciding that Thanos would immediately stomp yet I found a severe lack of ignorance on a lot of member's parts besides IDW regarding Thanos.

I am remaking this thread not as someone who wishes to troll or wank, but as someone who wishes to debate this seriously.

To continue from the last thread:

Yes, please I think we are both intelligent enough to realize that characters in comics may have similar powers but the mechanics behind them differ and we can stop using this logic that if a character does a certain attack character b must be able to replicate when nothing has been shown to support this.

For example, Itachi's tsukuyomi is classified as a genjutsu and it alters your perception of time, Shishui' Kotoamatsuki is also a genjutsu regarded as more powerful, yet it does not replicate what Tsukuyomi can do it is operated differently. Unless of course you may provide me of scans of Thanos mass soul raping thousands of individuals that are aware of it.

Overall, they do possess attacks than can knock him out which is usually considered a win or spiritual attacks that bypass durability.
Marvel and DC are massively hax but it won't take their level of hax to compete competently in this match up.

Alright in the scan you provided all I saw was that their encounter just shook the terrain, I didn't see a large planet being destroyed. Hell, it could have been as big as King Kai's planet and going by other feats I doubt it was so big. It took an enraged World War Hulk to have the power to possibly destroy a planet such as earth and Thanos is roughly on Professor Hulk level.

There are quite a lot of instances of Surfer being tagged by street level fighters. I mean sure his travel speed is highly impressive and maybe it's just the comics I've read but his battle speed is nowhere near that impressive. I also question the validity of some of these planet busters. It's great that he can destroy starts and all (never seen this feat but will trust you on it) but it has no bearing on this fight as he never used that power on Thanos.

I recall him heavily bleeding, he was most definitely injured. Perhaps not on his death bed but to say he was unaffected is a plain lie.

This is still what is a retcon. Instead though strength is retconned. Just as how Thanos' strength when he was defeated by Ka-Zar was retconned and comic character evolve over time. I thought this place had a policy on most current version of characters unless stated otherwise? But what are your thoughts on the matter then? Do you think most recent Thanos actually has a chance at loosing this?

In regards to next post, please there is no reason to get hostile. We have differing opinions and as long as arguments are being made on both sides it has a sense of validity. In the end saying your side is retarded in laymen's term is not going to matter or posting a mock thread, it matters when proven through argument.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Kisame

Why was this thread deleted? I remember this section being where civilized debates could occur not just favoritism. The thread was deleted in the middle of a debate due to popular influence deciding that Thanos would immediately stomp yet I found a severe lack of ignorance on a lot of member's parts besides IDW regarding Thanos.

No, The Thread was deleted because any one with common sense who lacks an ax to grind against western fiction knows this is an outrageous curbstomp Thanos is a character who can one shot beings like gladiator and super boy prime..two character who could complete solo Dragon Ball Z...Thanos can give gold saints from saint seiya problems...

the mere fact that you are attempting to defend Naruto against him utterly invalidates your objectivity..The Thread was deleted because any body with common sense..knows it's a rape and the only people who argue contrary to that point are either new posters who aren't very knowledgeable and make a genuine error (you obviously aren't this type of person your distortion of comic feats and misconduct comes from knowledge you are utilizing the Sb method of anti comic rhetoric which requires sophistication) or because your trolling either out of biased or because you have an ax to grind against a perceived status Quo

Originally Posted by Kisame

I am remaking this thread not as someone who wishes to troll or wank, but as someone who wishes to debate this seriously.

the only thing your remaking of this thread is going to accomplish is to piss off the regs..further alienate your position and probably get you in trouble...this is the third freaking time this thread has been posted..every time it's closed given the outrageous nature of the match and the painfully obvious outcome

Originally Posted by Kisame

To continue from the last thread:

I'm not touching that post..the dishonesty the misdirection the laughable and biased "durr hurr new feats are better than old feats" the completely insane allegation that only WWH level people can world bust...when Gladiator Beta Ray bill..Thanos and a myriad of others have done it. Thanos who is physically strong enough to nearly kill heralds with his bare hands..supposedly can't everything else wrong with your post


I will not waste my time with some one who insults my intelligence shows blatant dishonesty misrepresentation..then engages in the fallacy of 'this is only the outcome because of popular opinion"

understand this some invisible hand does not control verses debating..contrary to the belief of many of the people who share your arguments..there is no star wars/western fiction/saint seiya/bastard Illuminati who keeps the HST down...and oppresses naruto

Marvel top tiers are superior to allot of fictional characters many much stronger than the entire naruto universe..Thanos is one of those characters this was proven twice already across two threads- there is no need to continue it further

also you're in clear violation of the one standard

Multiverse Anything goes in this forum. Any multiverse, any fight. Just know in advance that Kakashi can't beat Superman.

this is in the standard ; there is an edict discouraging these type of threads for the asinine display of biased that they are...you see this when ever you post..and you are in clear violation of that guiding declaration of this arena

[sagemaster777]

Someone infract these repeated thread makers or delete/Ban.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

the mere fact that you are attempting to defend Naruto against him utterly invalidates your objectivity..

Kisame is an old timer here. He was a well respected guy even I did for his intelligence. He hasn't been here for a long time though.

he isn't really defending the series for the sake of tardism.

I will not waste my time with some one who insults my intelligence shows blatant dishonesty misrepresentation..then engages in the fallacy of 'this is only the outcome because of popular opinion"

I wouldn't say that, its just he is just citing some inconsistencies

understand this some invisible hand does not control verses debating..contrary to the belief of many of the people who share your arguments..there is no star wars/western fiction/saint seiya/bastard Illuminati who keeps the HST down...and oppresses naruto

Kisame is not from NF. I as who started in NF know that this argument does not apply to him because he never had that sentiment.

IWD I like you a lot but don't be so quick to generalize.

Marvel top tiers are superior to allot of fictional characters many much stronger than the entire naruto universe..Thanos is one of those characters this was proven twice already across two threads- there is no need to continue it further

This I agree.
I think Kisame is just saying that sometimes weaker characters have their moments you know if you know I mean.

Not everyone is a Tyrant or Moses, IWD and I sure will object to that for Kisame here. This guy is far from it.

[Kisame]

Alright, if that's how you wish to view this as. It's great and all that Thanos has done some of those things you mention. I wish you wouldn't treat this as an A>B>C match up. Sure Thanos can handle some of those beings, but in the end he has something that's a real match killer. He's not fast. I have nothing against western comics, I enjoy the medium, frankly I'm neither a big manga or comic fan, I just enjoy works that pique my interest.

My reading the comics is the reason I'm even trying to form a defense for Narutoverse. Sure, I see hype and feats thread and I'm like OMG this guy's so powerful, but then I read and it puts feats into context and give me non biased information. I would really appreciate it if you treat my opinion as valid as I am treating yours. I am not trying to make it seem as Naruto destroys, or that they even win I am just trying to show this match is not as lopsided as it is viewed as.

Well I am unhappy with the way the situation was handled, I think it was unfair and I need to I will appeal to higher positions with evidence.

I believe Gladiator was stronger than Hulk, no? Either way size has to do with the issue as well.
Smaller planets than earth can be destroyed easier. Heck, Champion needed a chain reaction to occur so the planet would be busted.

I was truly just curious as to your opinion on what recent Thanos would fare, shame you decided not to answer. Not many people read Imperative so would've been interesting at least.

This is not Thanos vs a single character but against a true army. I am just stating my opinion and this forum's rule can in no way shape or form mold my opinion to shape theirs unless they can counter with strong evidence. I was looking for you to counter with evidence and rekindle the debate but I am fine with you choice.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Kisame

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People often go for the best feats you know thats why people say Thanos which is very understandable kisame.

[Kisame]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

People often go for the best feats you know thats why people say Thanos which is very understandable kisame.

I understand that, but it's hard to view a debate as if it actually happened only going by showing best and sometimes inconsistent feats. I mean there's an outlier of Itachi reacting to lightning but no one seems to accept it. I'm not saying they should be it seems like double standards.

[colorles]

Originally Posted by Kisame

I understand that, but it's hard to view a debate as if it actually happened only going by showing best and sometimes inconsistent feats. I mean there's an outlier of Itachi reacting to lightning but no one seems to accept it. I'm not saying they should be it seems like double standards.

inconsistencies are generally rather 'rampant' in comics, not to single out comics as inconsistencies occur via 'nature' in fictional debates. although as you can 'see' so to speak comic supporters are rather 'adamant' as to only using the highest of the high end feats ( usually in complete ignorance of how the characters are actually portrayed in the canon sources), regardless of inconsistencies (lol 'feats' are inconsistent via nature, whether fiction or RL)

even so precedence should be placed on how the characters are portrayed in the canon sources

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Kisame

I understand that, but it's hard to view a debate as if it actually happened only going by showing best and sometimes inconsistent feats. I mean there's an outlier of Itachi reacting to lightning but no one seems to accept it. I'm not saying they should be it seems like double standards.

the difference is Thanos has shown a lot more of them.

Even with such.

inconsistency exists every though even in DBZ.

[Kisame]

Originally Posted by colorles

inconsistencies are generally rather 'rampant' in comics, not to single out comics as inconsistencies occur via 'nature' in fictional debates. although as you can 'see' so to speak comic supporters are rather 'adamant' as to only using the highest of the high end feats ( usually in complete ignorance of how the characters are actually portrayed in the canon sources), regardless of inconsistencies (lol 'feats' are inconsistent via nature, whether fiction or RL)

even so precedence should be placed on how the characters are portrayed in the canon sources

Bravo! What I've been trying to say.

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

the difference is Thanos has shown a lot more of them.

Even with such.

inconsistency exists every though even in DBZ.

I have to admit though that the feats in question seem to be exaggerated. Most of his feats stem from his durability and that in turn seems to hype up his every other stat for some reason.

[321zigzag3]

He faced Galactus. That means a lot. Even with Galactus jobbing and idiocy.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Kisame

Alright, if that's how you wish to view this as. It's great and all that Thanos has done some of those things you mention. I wish you wouldn't treat this as an A>B>C match up. Sure Thanos can handle some of those beings, but in the end he has something that's a real match killer. He's not fast. I have nothing against western comics, I enjoy the medium, frankly I'm neither a big manga or comic fan, I just enjoy works that pique my interes.

maybe I've charged you like an angry bull..you would be the first genuine person I've encountered in over a year who believes this and isn't apart of that crazy group of maniacs who have been invading forums left and right for the past four years...if that;s true I apologize

you are literally the only poster in a year I've encountered who has an honest and non biased reason for believing in the argument your arguing for

Originally Posted by Kisame

My reading the comics is the reason I'm even trying to form a defense for Narutoverse. Sure, I see hype and feats thread and I'm like OMG this guy's so powerful, but then I read and it puts feats into context and give me non biased information. I would really appreciate it if you treat my opinion as valid as I am treating yours. I am not trying to make it seem as Naruto destroys, or that they even win I am just trying to show this match is not as lopsided as it is viewed as.

you see, I would take you seriously if you weren't trying to dismiss feats and downplay even if it isn't a genuine attempt..your essentially arguing that Akatsuki can beat..a person who;s superior to a telepath who could solo the entire HST with a mere thought..destroy the planet with his bare hands..or turn them all into stone

Originally Posted by Kisame

Well I am unhappy with the way the situation was handled, I think it was unfair and I need to I will appeal to higher positions with evidence.

it is not unfair appeal to a higher authority..and you'll only succeed in making things worse: The vs section of this forum is dying a proliferation of such views is specifically why it's dying

these views are against the nature of this forum because when they are harbored you invite a horde of child porn spamming degenerates who unlike you aren't interesting in quality debate but harping their views and bullying any dissent. i have seen this time and time again..

Originally Posted by Kisame

I believe Gladiator was stronger than Hulk, no? Either way size has to do with the issue as well.

Gladiator's arm muscles have put out shockwaves able to destroy multiple planets he's demolished them in a punch or two yet he cannot one punch dismiss Norrin Radd..Thanos can

Smaller planets than earth can be destroyed easier. Heck, Champion needed a chain reaction to occur so the planet would be busted.

Champ isn't exactly impressive with out the gem and even with it he was too stupid to use it right

I was truly just curious as to your opinion on what recent Thanos would fare, shame you decided not to answer. Not many people read Imperative so would've been interesting at least.

do I really need to answer you? I'm operating on the premise that you are a capable and experienced poster..you have to know the conclusion to that? He was suped up by death and killing cancerverse guys..why would he have trouble at all?

Originally Posted by Kisame

This is not Thanos vs a single character but against a true army. I am just stating my opinion and this forum's rule can in no way shape or form mold my opinion to shape theirs unless they can counter with strong evidence. I was looking for you to counter with evidence and rekindle the debate but I am fine with you choice.

the problem is if I continue this debate I'm going to give people with far less honorable intentions then yours a platform to vent their mania and I have no intention what so ever of allowing that to happen. I'll gladly argue with you if you were truly willing to listen to the opposing views as opposed to dismissing feats and using inconsistencies if your willing to do that then a 1 vs 1 debate in one of those silly tier sections the low one maybe? with sagemaster as a mediator or over PM..or something I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and we can have a quality argument..but here when your basically being used by two trolls who have no objectivity what so ever? yeah..I'd rather not denigrate you further nor waste my time

but you are kinda breaking a tenant of this forum "no Kakashi vs Superman" threads because naruto characters cannot handle those guys..they likely never will: now if you want to carry this on with out the insanity and BS I'd be willing too..certainly you have a hell of a mountain to climb in terms of a defense for the NU and it'd be interesting to see how you go about that

[sagemaster777]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

maybe I've charged you like an angry bull..you would be the first genuine person I've encountered in over a year who believes this and isn't apart of that crazy group of maniacs who have been invading forums left and right for the past four years...if that;s true I apologize

you are literally the only poster in a number of years I've encountered who has an honest and non biased reason for believing in the argument your arguing for



you see, I would take you seriously if you weren't trying to dismiss feats and downplay even if it isn't a genuine attempt..your essentially arguing that Akatsuki can beat..a person who;s superior to a telepath who could solo the entire HST with a mere thought..destroy the planet with his bare hands..or turn them all into stone




it is not unfair appeal to a higher authority..and you'll only succeed in making things worse: The vs section of this forum is dying a proliferation of such views is specifically why it's dying

these views are against the nature of this forum because when they are harbored you invite a horde of child porn spamming degenerates who unlike you aren't interesting in quality debate but harping their views and bullying any dissent. i have seen this time and time again..



Gladiator's arm muscles have put out shockwaves able to destroy multiple planets he's demolished them in a punch or two yet he cannot one punch dismiss Norrin Radd..Thanos can


Smaller planets than earth can be destroyed easier. Heck, Champion needed a chain reaction to occur so the planet would be busted.

I was truly just curious as to your opinion on what recent Thanos would fare, shame you decided not to answer. Not many people read Imperative so would've been interesting at least.



the problem is if I continue this debate I'm going to give people with far less honorable intentions a platform to vent their mania and I have no intention what so ever of allowing that to happen. I'd argue with you if you were truly willing to listen to the opposing views as opposed to dismissing feats and harping on inconsistencies if your willing to do that then a 1 vs 1 debate in one of those silly tier sections with sagemaster as a mediator or over PM..or something I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't trolling.

but your breaking a tenant of this forum "no Kakashi vs Superman" threads because naruto characters cannot handle those guys..they will never

i saw my name.

/Reacts.

[Kisame]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

maybe I've charged you like an angry bull..you would be the first genuine person I've encountered in over a year who believes this and isn't apart of that crazy group of maniacs who have been invading forums left and right for the past four years...if that;s true I apologize

you are literally the only poster in a year I've encountered who has an honest and non biased reason for believing in the argument your arguing for



you see, I would take you seriously if you weren't trying to dismiss feats and downplay even if it isn't a genuine attempt..your essentially arguing that Akatsuki can beat..a person who;s superior to a telepath who could solo the entire HST with a mere thought..destroy the planet with his bare hands..or turn them all into stone




it is not unfair appeal to a higher authority..and you'll only succeed in making things worse: The vs section of this forum is dying a proliferation of such views is specifically why it's dying

these views are against the nature of this forum because when they are harbored you invite a horde of child porn spamming degenerates who unlike you aren't interesting in quality debate but harping their views and bullying any dissent. i have seen this time and time again..



Gladiator's arm muscles have put out shockwaves able to destroy multiple planets he's demolished them in a punch or two yet he cannot one punch dismiss Norrin Radd..Thanos can



Champ isn't exactly impressive with out the gem and even with it he was too stupid to use it right


do I really need to answer you? I'm operating on the premise that you are a capable and experienced poster..you have to know the conclusion to that? He was suped up by death and killing cancerverse guys..why would he have trouble at all?



the problem is if I continue this debate I'm going to give people with far less honorable intentions then yours a platform to vent their mania and I have no intention what so ever of allowing that to happen. I'll gladly argue with you if you were truly willing to listen to the opposing views as opposed to dismissing feats and using inconsistencies if your willing to do that then a 1 vs 1 debate in one of those silly tier sections the low one maybe? with sagemaster as a mediator or over PM..or something I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and we can have a quality argument..but here when your basically being used by two trolls who have no objectivity what so ever? yeah..I'd rather not denigrate you further nor waste my time

but you are kinda breaking a tenant of this forum "no Kakashi vs Superman" threads because naruto characters cannot handle those guys..they likely never will: now if you want to carry this on with out the insanity and BS I'd be willing too..certainly you have a hell of a mountain to climb in terms of a defense for the NU and it'd be interesting to see how you go about that

Alright, I'm fine with it being over PMs, the vs forums may not be suitable for this kind of argument. My main objective is to at least show you the reasoning behind my thinking process considering the match up. Well I'll PM my response on monday, running late, so I must go for now.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Kisame

Alright, I'm fine with it being over PMs, the vs forums may not be suitable for this kind of argument. My main objective is to at least show you the reasoning behind my thinking process considering the match up. Well I'll PM my response on monday, running late, so I must go for now.

awesome I look forward to it

[who's that pokemon!]

See that wasn't so bad. Now if anyone wants to debate the actual match and post like, you know how a discussion forum is, opinions and stuff, that'd be cool.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Kisame

Why was this thread deleted? I remember this section being where civilized debates could occur not just favoritism. The thread was deleted in the middle of a debate due to popular influence deciding that Thanos would immediately stomp yet I found a severe lack of ignorance on a lot of member's parts besides IDW regarding Thanos.

I am remaking this thread not as someone who wishes to troll or wank, but as someone who wishes to debate this seriously.

To continue from the last thread:

The thread was deleted because I had locked two of the same thread made by the same user. The original thread was a troll thread and it was going downhill. This isn't the same battlegrounds it was when you were here, everyone hops to the trolling/flaming solution nowadays. Anyways making this thread over and over again is spam, and people really don't wanna see it anymore.