One Piece Tier List

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Considering that they're actually friends, would they really be fighting to the death?

His strongest attack didn't even phase Jozu in the slightest. Not knowing Haki is what really hurts his cause.

Who exactly can Ivankov beat that's above him?

That wasn't Mihawk strongest attack. That was a lazy ass swing. Even if it were Jozu most likely has the highest durability in Op. Him being a diamond in all. Not to mention Jozu fought against the admirals . They were stronger but he was clearly on their level.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Flying Fortress Skyfire

Iva was a high ranking member of Dragon's posse, it's extremely likely that he does know haki. He can certainly withstand Luffy's CotCK.

He held his own against Magellan and stomped the crap out of Kuma.

Held his own? Ivankov launched an attack and was then instantly seen defeated. Sure, he managed to cut Magellan's forehead, but that's it.

Ivankov launched a barrage of attacks against Kuma. Kuma was shown to not even be dirtied by the attacks and stood up like nothing happened.

I'll move Ivankov up.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Why would the world's strongest swordsman waste time in a friendly match against someone who wasn't at least his equal?

That wasn't his strongest attack, it was a casual unnamed swing. And as with Iva, for someone on his level, it's more than reasonable to assume he does know haki.

As for who Iva can beat, if he can beat Kuma(which he's already shown he can)

then he should also be able to beat anyone between the two, though several of them need to be moved up, most notably Jozu and of course Mihawk.

Held his own? Ivankov launched an attack and was then instantly seen defeated. Sure, he managed to cut Magellan's forehead, but that's it.

Better than anyone else has managed.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

That wasn't Mihawk strongest attack. That was a lazy ass swing. Even if it were Jozu most likely has the highest durability in Op. Him being a diamond in all. Not to mention Jozu fought against and tanked Akainu attacks. They were stronger but he was clearly on their level.

Uh, Mihawk says himself "I want to see the difference in power between him (Whitebeard) and I". Who says that and proceeds to use his weakest attack? It's clearly a situation of "How will he defend my full power?".

Regardless, look at the magnitude of his attack. It was bigger than the Moby Dick. Mihawk's attack on Luffy was the one that looked "lazy".

Yeah, that's why Mihawk is under him. Being in the First-Rate Tier means he's on their level...

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Considering Mihawk casually bisected a frozen solid island size tidal wave, which was far more impressive than when he attacked WB, I'm gonna go ahead and say that it wasn't his strongest attack.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Uh, Mihawk says himself "I want to see the difference in power between him (Whitebeard) and I". Who says that and proceeds to use his weakest attack? It's clearly a situation of "How will he defend my full power?".

Yeah, that's why Mihawk is under him. Being in the First-Rate Tier means he's on their level...

Against whitebeard I am inclined to agree that was his strongest attack. WB just blocked the attack with an greater force. Making the entire attack seem weaker than what it actually was. But if anyone needs to be moved up is Zoro. A man who endured and survived attacks from Mihawk. The fact Mihawk took his clearly demonstrates that.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Flying Fortress Skyfire

Considering Mihawk casually bisected a frozen solid island size tidal wave, which was far more impressive than when he attacked WB, I'm gonna go ahead and say that it wasn't his strongest attack.

How would we know? The result of the attack on Whitebeard was never shown. For all we know, it could've been the exact same one.

Again, Mihawk says himself "I want to see the difference in power between him (Whitebeard) and I". Who says that and proceeds to use a weak attack? It's clearly a situation of "How will he defend my full power?".

Also, his apparent inability of using Haki is what really brings him down.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Hehe, just pointing some stuff out.

Even so, where would Ivankov go? He can't defeat those above him mostly because he doesn't know Haki. His only combative abilities are Death Wink and various physical attacks.

If Marco's abilities are considered Yonko level, then that broadens said level to quite a degree. Marco is about equal to the Admirals. Kaido and Big Mam can easily be around the Admirals' strength then. There's just not enough detail for them.

Robin was actually the one to set up the defeat of the Pacifista. She slammed it's head shut, which caused it to self-implode. This staggered it and stalled long enough for Nami to run a lightning bolt through it. The Monster Trio then finished it off.

Law will likely be placed higher after his reintroduction. However, as of his pre-time skip abilities, he doesn't really have a way of defeating her. That's what most of the list is comprised of.

Hyozo's one feat is a better feat than any of those under him. Luffy said himself that he's someone to look out for, a rare compliment from the new Luffy.

I knew that it was joke. I'm not that oblivious. I was simply saying how Bege's weapons actually inflate in size and the consequences if he tried shooting Robin's arms off.

Right where you have him is a good place I guess, like I said it's One Piece it's hard to tier. It's pretty much just a solid assumption that high tiers have Haki. It was said that all the Vice Captains have control of some sort of Haki, Ivankov must too.

Kaidou was defeated by Shanks on the way to Marineford and Shanks is above the admirals, it's a solid place to put him. Big Mam I dunno.

Still she didn't really defeat it, she had time to see the laser powering up and then slammed the mouth, if she had been fighting the Pacifista one on one she wouldn't stand a chance.

Still Hyozo only has one feat, he should probably be kept off until after he fights Zoro to better acclimate his true level.

Thank god you're not, some people that come here are and it's a bit scary.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

A thought, should characters with obvious reputations and experience like Mihawk, Ivankov, and Doflamingo be given Boshushoku Haki, meaning they can hit Logias?

I can't imagine Oda not giving them it in the manga.

[Rasengan SageX5]

Devil's Lawyer, you do realize that Mihawk was barely even trying against Zoro, right? If he had been actually trying, Zoro would have been dead within a few swings of Mihawk's sword(that doesn't mean that I don't want Zoro higher on the list though.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

How would we know? The result of the attack on Whitebeard was never shown. For all we know, it could've been the exact same one.

A casual unnamed swing that wasn't even targeted at the thing that got sliced(I don't remember the target just at the moment, but I think it might have been Luffy. It probably wasn't anyone who would warrant him trying his absolute hardest to do anything about).

What kind of hair-brained logic could possibly lead you to believe that was his best attack?

Who says that and proceeds to use a weak attack?

Mihawk for one.

It's clearly a situation of "How will he defend my full power?"

Except for the part where it's clearly, you know, not.

But if you want to go over old ground, Mihawk = Shanks. Shanks = Yonkou. Therefore, Mihawk goes much higher on the list.

Also, his apparent inability of using Haki is what really brings him down.

Already covered this.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Flying Fortress Skyfire

A casual unnamed swing that wasn't even targeted at the thing that got sliced(I don't remember the target just at the moment, but I think it might have been Luffy. It probably wasn't anyone who would warrant him trying his absolute hardest to do anything about).

What kind of hair-brained logic could possibly lead you to believe that was his best attack?

Mihawk for one.

Except for the part where it's clearly, you know, not.

But if you want to go over old ground, Mihawk = Shanks. Shanks = Yonkou. Therefore, Mihawk goes much higher on the list.

Already covered this.

Uh, Mihawk hasn't named one attack and he isn't the type of person to name his swings.

Maybe because Mihawk says himself that he wants to see where he stands against Whitebeard? So he proceeds to throw his strongest attack at him?

I don't know where you're getting this "lazy" swing from. He grabs his sword, says he wants to see where he stands against Whitebeard, and swings his sword off-panel that results in an attack bigger than the Moby Dick.

His position from when he attacked Whitebeard and when he cut the frozen tidal wave are practically the same.

Anyway, I've shuffled the First-Rate Tier.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Luffy has since mastered Haki and developed precognition because of it. He's also virtually immune to poison because of his fight with Magellan. He's dodged Pacifista lasers, calling them "slow". While it's not proven that said lasers are as fast as Kizaru's, it's still quite the feat as no one else has shown that. I suggest that you should read the time skip. It really shows how much of a beast Luffy has become.

Ace isn't above any of those you mentioned except for Mihawk since he doesn't have Haki.

I've read up to the reunion at Sabaody,and bits and pieces of the fishman island arc, so i saw that stuff.

How is he immune to the poison? I just thought Luffy would be outlasted by Magellan. I doubt they're as fast as Kizaru's considering Kizaru shoots actual light beams and I doubt a Pacifista's laser is that close to being pure light. But ur right it still is an amazing feat.

Whoops I read the list wrong. My baddd

[Rasengan SageX5]

He is immune to poison because of the hormones that Ivankov gave him after that fight to save his life and get him back into fighting shape as quick as possible.

[Leafy]

If this tier is also based on hype, then why is Dragon not in the paramount tier?

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Uh, Mihawk hasn't named one attack and he isn't the type of person to name his swings.

As opposed to like, every other person in the entire series. What is there to suggest that Mihawk is different? Jinbei has a similar personality and he has named attacks. Hell, Zoro has a similar personality and he names his attacks.

Just because Mihawk hasn't used any named attacks in the two appearances he's made doesn't mean he doesn't have any.

Maybe because Mihawk says himself that he wants to see where he stands against Whitebeard? So he proceeds to throw his strongest attack at him?

Prove it was his strongest attack. Oh wait, you can't.

I don't know where you're getting this "lazy" swing from.

And I don't know where you're getting the idea that I ever said it was a lazy swing, so we're even. :P

He wasn't being lazy, he just obviously wasn't using his full power.

He grabs his sword, says he wants to see where he stands against Whitebeard, and swings his sword off-panel that results in an attack bigger than the Moby Dick.

Look at it this way. Only an idiot would tip his entire hand against a potential opponent who stands a good chance of being superior. Mihawk isn't an idiot, so obviously he's not going to give it everything he's got from the start. You don't become the world's best swordsman by going berzerkerrage from the get go, you test the waters first.

And again, if you wanna tread old ground, Mihawk fought Shanks on a regular basis, which proves he's close to Yonkou level.

Anyway, I've shuffled the First-Rate Tier.

Need to add Big Mom, either above or below Kaidou. I say above, just for kicks and giggles, but it doesn't really matter for now.

And none of that too broad of hype nonsense. If Kaidou's on there, Big Mom should be on there. Yonkou is more than enough.

Ivankov is still too low. He already beat Kuma, what more do you need?

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora

I've read up to the reunion at Sabaody,and bits and pieces of the fishman island arc, so i saw that stuff.

How is he immune to the poison? I just thought Luffy would be outlasted by Magellan. I doubt they're as fast as Kizaru's considering Kizaru shoots actual light beams and I doubt a Pacifista's laser is that close to being pure light. But ur right it still is an amazing feat.

Whoops I read the list wrong. My baddd

I actually edited it. I did have Luffy above Magellan prior. For whatever reason, Luffy is now immune to poison as stated in the current arc. He developed anti-bodies. However, Magellan still has another level of poison, Kinjite, that wasn't used against Luffy. Kinjite is practically acid. I re-thought it and reckoned that Luffy's arm will be disintegrated if he tried punching him.

Originally Posted by leaf777

If this tier is also based on hype, then why is Dragon not in the paramount tier?

It's obvious that Dragon is a force to be reckoned with. He's considered to be the World's Most Wanted Man. However, that title is mostly because he's uncooperative with the Government. Instead of agreeing to a treaty with the World Government like the rest of the Yonko, he's trying to lead a Revolution. Is he stronger than Shanks? Is he stronger than prime Whitebeard? Stronger than Gol D. Roger? It's currently impossible to know.

Originally Posted by Flying Fortress Skyfire

As opposed to like, every other person in the entire series. What is there to suggest that Mihawk is different? Jinbei has a similar personality and he has named attacks. Hell, Zoro has a similar personality and he names his attacks.

Just because Mihawk hasn't used any named attacks in the two appearances he's made doesn't mean he doesn't have any.

Prove it was his strongest attack. Oh wait, you can't.

And I don't know where you're getting the idea that I ever said it was a lazy swing, so we're even. :P

He wasn't being lazy, he just obviously wasn't using his full power.

Look at it this way. Only an idiot would tip his entire hand against a potential opponent who stands a good chance of being superior. Mihawk isn't an idiot, so obviously he's not going to give it everything he's got from the start. You don't become the world's best swordsman by going berzerkerrage from the get go, you test the waters first.

And again, if you wanna tread old ground, Mihawk fought Shanks on a regular basis, which proves he's close to Yonkou level.

Need to add Big Mom, either above or below Kaidou. I say above, just for kicks and giggles, but it doesn't really matter for now.

And none of that too broad of hype nonsense. If Kaidou's on there, Big Mom should be on there. Yonkou is more than enough.

Ivankov is still too low. He already beat Kuma, what more do you need?

Mihawk showed a variety of attacks throughout the War. He hasn't said one word while attacking. Not even when using his literal hawk eye. There were plenty of chances for him to say an attack. He's the outlier.

Argh. Got you mixed up with Devil's Lawyer. He's the one that said lazy. My bad.

Mihawk's very powerful, sure, but I don't see a way for him beating the people above him. Jozu already shrugged off a huge attack like it was nothing. Doflamingo's abilities allows him to physically restrict even the strongest of people like Jozu. I doubt Mihawk is physically stronger than him. Doflamingo can also slice off body parts at a whim. Magellan's strongest attack literally floods the area with corrosive acid.

If Marco's abilities are considered Yonko, where exactly should Kaido and Big Mam go? The only reason Marco wasn't one is because of his loyalty to Whitebeard, similar to how Ace rejected the Shichibukai offer.

Beat Kuma? Ivankov attacked him when he was busy killing fodder. None of Ivankov's strongest attacks even phased Kuma. He was up immediately after Ivankov stopped. Don't forget that it was against a completely computerised Kuma. A full attentive Kuma has the ability to "teleport" and reflect any physical attack. The Kuma from Sabaody Archipelago and Thriller Bark was shown to be far more responsive as he had actual human reactions.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Mihawk showed a variety of attacks throughout the War. He hasn't said one word while attacking. Not even when using his literal hawk eye. There were plenty of chances for him to say an attack. He's the outlier.

He was never on-panel long enough for him to actually fight. A few initial clashes were seen and he was cutting up fodder, but that's it. None of his fights were seen long enough to determine whether or not he uses named attacks, but since nearly every, if not every, other character in the series uses named attacks, there's no reason to assume Mihawk doesn't.

Jozu already shrugged off a huge attack like it was nothing.

Jozu shrugged off a casual attack like it was nothing.

Doflamingo's abilities allows him to physically restrict even the strongest of people like Jozu.

Can it restrict being chopped in half from a few miles away?

Magellan's strongest attack literally floods the area with corrosive acid.

Chopped in half. A few miles away.

If Marco's abilities are considered Yonko, where exactly should Kaido and Big Mam go? The only reason Marco wasn't one is because of his loyalty to Whitebeard, similar to how Ace rejected the Shichibukai offer.

I don't remember anything about Marco being Yonko material, but obviously Kaido and Big Mom go somewhere around the top of First rate, if not the bottom of paramount. They're Yonkou. If you think Marco is also Yonkou material then you should move him up.

Ivankov attacked him when he was busy killing fodder.

No, Kuma attacked Iva's Newkama and then he and Iva stared eachother down while Doflamingo monologued about how he's a cyborg, then Iva attacked him.

None of Ivankov's strongest attacks even phased Kuma.

Iva's dropkick sent him flying. I hardly call that not phasing him. And it wasn't even his best attack.

Don't forget that it was against a completely computerised Kuma. A full attentive Kuma has the ability to "teleport" and reflect any physical attack.

There's no reason to believe that becoming a cyborg would prevent Kuma from making full use of his abilities. His DF alone makes him far more effective than any Pacifista. Iva's just stronger than he is.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Flying Fortress Skyfire

He was never on-panel long enough for him to actually fight. A few initial clashes were seen and he was cutting up fodder, but that's it. None of his fights were seen long enough to determine whether or not he uses named attacks, but since nearly every, if not every, other character in the series uses named attacks, there's no reason to assume Mihawk doesn't.

Mihawk used 3 significant attacks. Against Whitebeard, Luffy, and the tidal wave. Not one word was mentioned. I don't really think it's that important anyway.

Jozu shrugged off a casual attack like it was nothing.

Still don't think Mihawk would be able to cut a massive bowling ball made of pure diamond.

Can it restrict being chopped in half from a few miles away?

Fights wouldn't start that far. Doflamingo simply needs to point his fingers.

Chopped in half. A few miles away.

Magellan and Mihawk is basically a toss-up. I can see them both hitting each other. Like I said earlier, these fights wouldn't start from miles away. It doesn't follow the manga.

I don't remember anything about Marco being Yonko material, but obviously Kaido and Big Mom go somewhere around the top of First rate, if not the bottom of paramount. They're Yonkou. If you think Marco is also Yonkou material then you should move him up.

Wow. The site I initially read it off of had a bad mistranslation. They mistook the talk of Blackbeard becoming Yonko for Marco.

No, Kuma attacked Iva's Newkama and then he and Iva stared eachother down while Doflamingo monologued about how he's a cyborg, then Iva attacked him.

Iva's dropkick sent him flying. I hardly call that not phasing him. And it wasn't even his best attack.

Ivankov and Kuma see each other. Kuma shoots a laser and Ivankov dodges. Kuma then teleports behind him and attacks the Newkama's. After Kuma attacks one, Ivankov uses his Galaxy Wink and follows that up with a drop kick. Kuma wasn't even dirtied by the attacks and stood up right after. Ivankov already couldn't keep up with Kuma's teleporting or else he would've stopped him from attacking his crew in the first place.

Galaxy Wink is a large scale spam of his Death Wink. That's probably the best we've seen from Ivankov. That followed by a very strong drop kick didn't do anything.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Mihawk used 3 significant attacks. Against Whitebeard, Luffy, and the tidal wave. Not one word was mentioned. I don't really think it's that important anyway.

Having already pointed out why he wouldn't use his full power on Whitebeard, why would he use his full power on Luffy or a tidal wave?

Either way.

Still don't think Mihawk would be able to cut a massive bowling ball made of pure diamond.

People can do all sorts of crazy stuff in OP.

Fights wouldn't start that far. Doflamingo simply needs to point his fingers.

Fifty meters. Prove Doflamingo's powers work at fifty meters.

Magellan and Mihawk is basically a toss-up. I can see them both hitting each other. Like I said earlier, these fights wouldn't start from miles away. It doesn't follow the manga.

Fifty meters.

Ivankov and Kuma see each other. Kuma shoots a laser and Ivankov dodges. Kuma then teleports behind him and attacks the Newkama's. After Kuma attacks one, Ivankov uses his Galaxy Wink and follows that up with a drop kick. Kuma wasn't even dirtied by the attacks and stood up right after. Ivankov already couldn't keep up with Kuma's teleporting or else he would've stopped him from attacking crew in the first place.

Galaxy Wink is a large scale spam of his Death Wink. That's probably the best we've seen from Ivankov. That followed by a very strong drop kick didn't do anything.

Galaxy Wink staggered him and the drop kick sent him flying, so not so much of the "Didn't do anything" front. True, there was no physical evidence of injury, but that doesn't change the fact that they did have an effect. And it was only the beginning of their fight.

Now then.
Item: Kuma doesn't strike me as the sort of person to give up on a fight against a powerful opponent, much less a high ranking revolutionary, especially not when he's under the control of the WG,
Item: Iva certainly wouldn't give up his fight with Kuma.
Item: We see Iva survived later, with Kuma nowhere to be seen.
Obvious conclusion: Iva won.