Tier Debate: Itachi vs. Pain

[Bacon]

I'm kinda confused as to the point you're trying to make. In any case, it wouldn't be very in character for Itachi to actually attack while casting a genjutsu.

I doubt his finger genjutsu can do much damage either way, assuming that it can affect them in the first place.

Ok lemme rephase that.

As stated before, sasuke's primitive sharingan allow him to read your movements, even when those movements are as shallow as the stroke of a pen. Hence the reason why he was able to copy that fake genin's answers during ibiki's test.

(Fast forward to the giant rasengan fight, aka itachi at 30 percent)Now take itachi who caught naruto with a genjutsu,but naruto didn't look at him in the eye, correct? Yet Itachi was able to catch him in a harmless genjutsu because naruto looked toward him finger. But how could itachi know where he was looking? Simple, he read his movements even before naruto knew what he was about to do.

Now move on to the topic at hand. If He's able to catch the paths of pain before they know it when in tsukiyomi, they will feel the adverse affects of the genjutsu. Yet they are not real, but the heinous nature of the sharingan allowed itachi's illusions to hospitalize a healthy kakashi. So if any of the paths decided to actually look him in the eye, they are goners because their bodies would react to the genjutsu as if the mental images were real.

Now assuming they don't afford him that luxury,but yet sasuke did when found itachi at their final fight. He would be able to cast a free moving genjutsu that makes their eye sight worthless. It's not in the sense that they are blind,but they will see things like crows or perhaps be trapped within their own heads while he picks them off one by one.

To bring character into this is also ludicrous, itachi was a pacifist. He loses this by default seeing as he is the allegory jesus of the naruto series, with the exception of his own family. If he wanted to win, he could easily kill them while they were trapped in one of his jutsu.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Originally Posted by Yanks62008

Susanoo for defense Totsuka sword sweeps all at once GG Pain. then Itachi fires a Yasakas Magatama towards Nagato's location once he figure out where he is.

\are u talking about deva vs itachi or all six paths vs itachi ?

here is the scenario

animal path will summon the dogs , and they will annoy itachi , itachi activate susano , the previous time is more than enough 4 deva to cast ct , then gg .

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Originally Posted by Bacon

To bring character into this is also ludicrous, itachi was a pacifist. He loses this by default seeing as he is the allegory jesus of the naruto series, with the exception of his own family. If he wanted to win, he could easily kill them while they were trapped in one of his jutsu.

except the fact that he killed his entire clane , even children's , baby's , womens , old mens , etc ,,,,,,, pacifist ! , their is no excuse to kill children's .

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by LUCKY.KAKASHI

except the fact that he killed his entire clane , even children's , baby's , womens , old mens , etc ,,,,,,, pacifist ! , their is no excuse to kill children's .

Well you gotta note that Itachi had no choice there.

Either kill his Clan or Konoha gets run over by the Uchihaha's thus gets endangered by Invasion by other Villages and destroyed or taken over.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

their is no excuses to kill baby's , womens , and old mens , this is extermination , again , their is no excuse 4 killing Innocent people .

and he didn't kill his beloved brother ( sasuke ) , which mean that he give his emotions and his personal desires more credit than he give to others , which means he is so selfish , he didn't bother him self to think why i should kill the mothers and their babys , while he couldn't kill his beloved brother ! he is extremely selfish , did he think that their is other people in the clan ( besides him ) have fealings and they love their btothers and sisters and and and ,,,, etc ?

their is nothing such as obey the rolls , if the rolls was wrong , just don't obey the rolls , and exterminate an entire clan is absolutely an wrong thing to do .

and even now , he thinks about him self more than he thinks about he village , he didn't kill sasuke while he can , and he new that sasuke will destroy the villge ( he said that to naruto ) why didn't he kill sasuke if he give a to the village benefits ?

Either kill his Clan or Konoha gets run over by the Uchihaha's thus gets endangered by Invasion by other Villages and destroyed or taken over.

their is always a 3th choice , he could kill the rebels among the uchiha and not ( literally ) exterminate an entire clan .

[Super Sanin 3]

He should have killed Sasuke, tis was his only mistake. But who knows plot may make Sasuke good again.... though he did have the Shisui MS backup
It actually doesn't take too long to form the armor, look at Sasuke vs Itachi when he formed his, yeah he probably wouldn't form it off the bat, but if he's ever in trouble like a missle 5 meters away from him he'd activate it. and since Susano'o always had good activation feats there's a very high chance it would work. Chances of healthy serious Itachi using Susano'o is greater than Deva Path using CT off the bat, especially with other paths out plus he has to concentrate soley on the Deva Path. And as shown with Sasuke, if anybody attempts a blitz like Danzo they're pretty much crushed by a Susano'o fist. Meaning if Asura path tries, it could easily die. Amaterasu is super effective against boss summons, it takes multiple in 1 usage, including the cerberus summon. At this time, Itachi is noting that each path is only doing specific things, and will realize very soon that each path has a job if not already. When Deva Path uses a ST, Itachi then knows his target, since he has knowledge about CT from his battle with Nagato. A healthy Itachi should be able to keep his Susano'o up way longer than when he was sick and lived off meds and willpower. Now a ST may be able to reflect YM, but if Preta tries to absorb it, it wouldn't be actual chakra but a spiritual weapon, so that's a no. Given Itachi has knowledge on the Rinnegan's linked sight, I say Itachi has enough knowledge to get him to find each path's abilities, thoughtz? BTW a ST to bring Itachi in may be the worse thing to do since Susano'o would be right near them

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

the fact that he couldint kill sasuke only explain one thing , which is he is so selfish .

u gave itachi knowledge from his Battle with nagato , and u didn't gave the same
knowledge to pain .

so , pain knows about itachi susano two , he knows that he could suck him by ct , so he choice to start the battle by attacking him by all 5 body's except deva , in that time Deva cast ct then gg .

[Super Sanin 3]

Eh why is this the subject again?
He needs to focus completely on Deva to do that, so he's open
Yeah i forgot Nagato had knowledge on Itachi, this makes it harder but without CT Itachi's pretty much got everything he needs, and CT requires concentration, the last time he did that with large ST all the paths beside Deva fell to the ground, and CT might need more concentration considering he had to get Deva close to attempt using it

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

he can run away like what he did against the nine tails , then use ct , gg

[Super Sanin 3]

He can't go out of the crater, he has to remain inside of it + Itachi has long range jutsu, yes if Pein decides to use CT off the bat Itachi has long range jutsu like ammy or YM, which he has to use ST to repel and leaves him open, just as IC

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

OK ,lets see

pain decide to attack itachi with 4 paths , except animal and deva paths , in that time animal path summons the lizard which had the ability of invisibility , deva pain go inside the lizard and prepare 4 casting ct , while itachi cant see him , and when ct is ready , gg .

[Super Sanin 3]

Obito had the two tomme sharingan and could see the invisible ninja, why is it different from a master of sharingan? Plus Deva has to be outside to use CT and all paths must go down, couldn't use it inside the summon, especially if he has to stop the summon to use/prep it, were the summons there when the animal path went offline? The paths must deactivate first before prepping it

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

first that feat belong to obito , "( mind if u give me the chapter and page ? )
sec Deva can use st and bansho ten , and he blocked the attacks from the kube while he was casting ct .
+ their is no evidence that he cant cast it inside his summons . and their is no evidence that the other paths must go off if he is pre to cast ct .

[Super Sanin 3]

first that feat belong to obito , "( mind if u give me the chapter and page ? )
sec Deva can use st and bansho ten , and he blocked the attacks from the kube while he was casting ct .
+ their is no evidence that he cant cast it inside his summons . and their is no evidence that the other paths must go off if he is pre to cast ct .

1.Sharingan detects Chakra, the summon uses light manipulation to make him lose invisible to the naked eye, the sharingan > that eye, the feat is 242/18
2.Where was it that he blocked it while he was casting CT? This means forming the cube and throwing it in the air i presume?
3.If he can cast it inside the summons, the paths will have to go offline. This is backed up by how the paths had to go offline for him to use a big ST, and while the others paths were destroyed by the time Deva decided to attempt CT, he had to retreat towards Nagato before he could even try it because it took so much chakra, proving that CT > CST in chakra consumption

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

1.Sharingan detects Chakra, the summon uses light manipulation to make him lose invisible to the naked eye, the sharingan > that eye, the feat is 242/18

well kakashi also can see them , so u don't know if that Com's due to sharingan or not


2.Where was it that he blocked it while he was casting CT? This means forming the cube and throwing it in the air i presume?

that is because u watch the manga and don't watch the anime .

3.If he can cast it inside the summons, the paths will have to go offline. This is backed up by how the paths had to go offline for him to use a big ST, and while the others paths were destroyed by the time Deva decided to attempt CT, he had to retreat towards Nagato before he could even try it because it took so much chakra, proving that CT > CST in chakra consumption

st is a thing and ct is another thing .

yet u don't have any evidence , when Deva did the ct , other path was finished , so u cant be sure that he couldn't use it while other paths on
+
pain was very exhausted after big st and fought kakashi and entire village , that is why he needed to reread towards nagato

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[Super Sanin 3]

well kakashi also can see them , so u don't know if that Com's due to sharingan or not

No after he used the jutsu Kakashi couldn't see him, look at 242/12, this is supported by the fact that they stress on the Sharingan when Obito finds it out

that is because u watch the manga and don't watch the anime

We don't go by the anime in the BG

st is a thing and ct is another thing .

yet u don't have any evidence , when Deva did the ct , other path was finished , so u cant be sure that he couldn't use it while other paths on
+
pain was very exhausted after big st and fought kakashi and entire village , that is why he needed to reread towards nagato

That's not evidence that's speculation if he was tired, he needed chakra on the Deva Path for the ST, he turned the paths off, he needed chakra on the Deva Path for CT, he made the Deva Path go back and then gave him all the chakra, I don't see how Deva doesn't need full attention to use CT

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

u mean u dont go by manga on bg or we dont go by anime in bg ?

[Super Sanin 3]

We don't by the anime cuz many consider it non-canon since it's not directly made by Kishimoto, manga was a mistake

[Noctis Arashi]

Wasn't itachi the one to deduce CT's weakness?

Also, shared vision and chakra links should make it to where one genjutsu is going to effect all of them. Including Nagato.

Essentially, I see itachi winning. CT isn't going to finish itachi like nothing. It's really becoming a bad habit that people consider CT insta-win essentially.

[Super Sanin 3]

He deduced the weakness but he can't break out of it without a stronger arsenal probably