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Neji's Rotation 0 0%
Sasuke's Armorless Susano'o 16 50.00%
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:13 PM   #1
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Which defense is the most "Absolute"
Gaara's sand vs Neji's Rotation vs Sasuke's Armorless Susano'o
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Well Neji's is the weakest, due to its blind spot.
Gaara's sand got faster, but it could be outran by Narutoverse speedsters like Naruto and the 3rd Raikage.
Sasuke surrounds him, so I'd say that's the strongest one.

That's based on the fact that he can move with it.
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I'd say Susano'o
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Well Sasuke's Susanoo is good but it has the most drawbacks. It rapidly depletes his chakra, and he feels pain in every cell of his body. When overused, it causes blindness. Sasuke had to be healed in between his fights in the Kage Summit to keep his Susanoo up, and even then it's not even very mobile. All Sasuke does in there is scream at his opponent

Neji's Rotation is pretty underrated. It can be used in the air, and despite the feats it's shown, it was stated to be stronger than Gaara's sand in terms of defense, but of course not in offense lol. Also, when the rotation ends, it repels everything that was on it (which is what many people fail to notice) just like when it repelled Naruto's shadow clones. He can also use a weaker version of this technique as seen in point blank range when Kidomaru threw that kunai at him after his rotation ended.

Gaara's sand is superior to both of the above. In Part 2 Gaara's sand is able to block lightning. It block A's kick (A was in his Lightning armor during this time btw) This proves that, despite the loss of Shukaku, Gaara's sand manipulation powers were still strong and is even more powerful than before to be able to block the Raikage with his Lightning armor on. Afterwards, Sasuke attacked Gaara with Amaterasu, but his sand proves to fast for it. Sasuke admits he is impressed that Gaara's sand could guard against his attacks so easily, commenting that his Ultimate Defense was in good shape.
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Well Sasuke's Susanoo is good but it has the most drawbacks. It rapidly depletes his chakra, and he feels pain in every cell of his body. When overused, it causes blindness. Sasuke had to be healed in between his fights in the Kage Summit to keep his Susanoo up, and even then it's not even very mobile. All Sasuke does in there is scream at his opponent

Neji's Rotation is pretty underrated. It can be used in the air, and despite the feats it's shown, it was stated to be stronger than Gaara's sand in terms of defense, but of course not in offense lol. Also, when the rotation ends, it repels everything that was on it (which is what many people fail to notice) just like when it repelled Naruto's shadow clones. He can also use a weaker version of this technique as seen in point blank range when Kidomaru threw that kunai at him after his rotation ended.

Gaara's sand is superior to both of the above. In Part 2 Gaara's sand is able to block lightning. It block A's kick (A was in his Lightning armor during this time btw) This proves that, despite the loss of Shukaku, Gaara's sand manipulation powers were still strong and is even more powerful than before to be able to block the Raikage with his Lightning armor on. Afterwards, Sasuke attacked Gaara with Amaterasu, but his sand proves to fast for it. Sasuke admits he is impressed that Gaara's sand could guard against his attacks so easily, commenting that his Ultimate Defense was in good shape.
Well said and since its Armorless Susano the Defense in my opinion is not as good as Gaara's so in this case Gaara has the ultimate defense but if it was Susano with armor then yes that would be the ultimate defense probably.

Edit: For those of you that don't know armorless Susano is when Susano is just in bones and not a fully developed Susano.

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sasuke got the best defense
hinata defense is superior to niji
sand can't stop lightning
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sasuke got the best defense
hinata defense is superior to niji
sand can't stop lightning
Yes true but in this case he said ARMORLESS Susano so Gaara's sand is the best but if it was ARMORED Susano then it would be a different story.
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armoless susanoo tanked 4 atacks and sasuke said it is better than gaara's ultimate
gaara's got pierced by chidori and outrunned in speed by lee
susanoo can't be outruned in anything and nothing pierced it
sasuke kept susanoo for a considerable amount of time
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1.susanoo
2.gaara
3.neji rotation
neji rotation is weak
it can only block kunays and shurikens
it can't be used continuously
it consumes a large amount of chakra

and it is prety nothing
neji couldn't use it against kidomaru's arrow so that proves it is weak
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susanoo, it can block almost any attack but you should include jinchuriki cloaks too. and if madaras defensive jutsu counts
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Gaara's sand. As you can see in this new chapter, his sand even won over Madara's Susanoo.
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Sabaku you should watch out for spoilers >.<
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Actually I think that hypes Susano'o defenses as Gaara admitted direct attacks on it wouldn't work so he went from beneath with his sand and took him out of his defense so Naruto could FRS him. If we're comparing defenses by defenses there's still a diferent story
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Actually I think that hypes Susano'o defenses as Gaara admitted direct attacks on it wouldn't work so he went from beneath with his sand and took him out of his defense so Naruto could FRS him. If we're comparing defenses by defenses there's still a diferent story
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That really nerfed Susanoo. It proved that Susanoo does not protect the underside of the user. Which leaves it open for Earth jutsu.
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Actually I think that hypes Susano'o defenses as Gaara admitted direct attacks on it wouldn't work so he went from beneath with his sand and took him out of his defense so Naruto could FRS him. If we're comparing defenses by defenses there's still a diferent story
even if its defense vs defense, I still think Gaara's sand is better cuz it doesn't harm the user and as megabbaut said above, Susanoo can't protect the user from under.
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he can atack the user from under if they are on ground
if they are on anything that is not earth it doesn't works
and he are speaking about the protection it gives
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Susanoo Ofcourse..
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The sharingan, speed plus the ability to predict what your opponent is going to do = trolololol.

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i would have to give it to gaara because neji have a weak spot but if saskue have the armor with the Susano than sasuke wins

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Sasuke's wins anyway.

His bone susano'o can be used over and over for starters, and has tanked some pretty impressive attacks. And in theory, he doesn't have nearly as much depletion if any with his ems.

And as for not being able to protect weak spots, he can predict opponents movements, as well as see chakra to a pretty accurate extent. So any jutsu or people from below are usually spotted pretty easily, unless he has no knowledge of them being there. In which case, the same weakness applies to both neji and garra.

Neji's is by far the weakest, and really isn't a contender. Due to it's weak spot, and it being composed of pure chakra and nothing else.

Garra's sand is a very close second, perhaps even equal, due to it's ability to form strong defenses, as well as maneuverability. However, in terms of feats, unless garra has a desert full of sand, he falls short. But just barely.
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Sasuke's wins anyway.

His bone susano'o can be used over and over for starters, and has tanked some pretty impressive attacks. And in theory, he doesn't have nearly as much depletion if any with his ems.

And as for not being able to protect weak spots, he can predict opponents movements, as well as see chakra to a pretty accurate extent. So any jutsu or people from below are usually spotted pretty easily, unless he has no knowledge of them being there. In which case, the same weakness applies to both neji and garra.

Neji's is by far the weakest, and really isn't a contender. Due to it's weak spot, and it being composed of pure chakra and nothing else.

Garra's sand is a very close second, perhaps even equal, due to it's ability to form strong defenses, as well as maneuverability. However, in terms of feats, unless garra has a desert full of sand, he falls short. But just barely.
No, it can't just be spammed. You start feeling pain in every cell of your body shortly after usage. Also EMS is just supposed to prevent you from going blind.

It's debatable whether or not normal Sharingan abilities such as prediction are in use while having Susanoo active. Even if he can see it, they can't really dodge it due to having a short amount of space inside Susanoo. And Neji's rotation actually does protect the underside. It leaves a crater upon ending, signifying that it does. Gaara's defense is automatic so it would cover that as well.

Gaara has shown more impressive tanking feats than Susanoo, able to withstand Kimimaru's devastating attacks and the Raikage's lightning infused kick, when Sasuke's Susanoo couldn't even withstand a chop.
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No, it can't just be spammed. You start feeling pain in every cell of your body shortly after usage. Also EMS is just supposed to prevent you from going blind.
Until we really see what the EMS does, we can't argue over how it will help the person using it.

The only thing we know is it stops you from going blind. After that, nothing. It may make Susano'o easier to use or the same. It hasn't said yet.

To add to the thread - Susano'o has several vulnerabilities that Gaara's sand doesn't and Garra's sand has vulnerabilities that Susano'o doesn't.

My personal feeling on the subject is they're closely tied, with one only being better than the other depending on situation.
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