ulquiorra vs yamamoto genriusay

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The Lance is going to miss at 50+ meters.

People need to pay attention what I said about the lance.

[UchihaXSasuke]

he missed it once at a 2 cm
he won't misse it one more time

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Care to support that claim?

[UchihaXSasuke]

ulq. said he musted adjust the aim
the first one was a test
and yep
ulq. can blitz
and fight close with
Y.G

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by UchihaXSasuke

he missed it once at a 2 cm
he won't misse it one more time

And Hollow Ichigo was standing still when Ulquiorra threw it.

Ulquiorra admitted that aiming his lance was harder than he thought.



Do you believe Ulquiorra can engage Yamamoto hand in hand combat?

[colorles]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

And Hollow Ichigo was standing still when Ulquiorra threw it.

Ulquiorra admitted that aiming his lance was harder than he thought.



Do you believe Ulquiorra can engage Yamamoto hand in hand combat?

yeah, Ulq could more than engage Yamamoto in cqc....

not only is Ulqiorra faster than Yamamoto, and all that needs be done is to stick him with lanza, his instant regeneration ensures he will be able to do it

seriosly Ulquiorra is on of the most underrated in Bleach, perhaps since he only showcased his abilites against Ichigo, but mind you Scarmask Ichigo would destroy yamamoto in a matter of moments, as would Ulquiorra Segunda Ettapa. its mostly due to that Ulq and Ichigo only fought each other in their most lethal forms that throws everything out of perspective, since theres no reference point with any other fighters, but thinking yamamoto can withstand and close quarters lanza is unfounded in anything presented in the manga, and no Wonderweis is not even a blip on the radar compare to Ulquiorra Segunda Ettpa. Ulq is faster, more durable, and has lanza to take yamamoto down in close quarters, and instantly spammable cero oscuras, for which yamamoto has no counter for, as well as fastest skill in combat sonido in the manga

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by colorles

yeah, Ulq could more than engage Yamamoto in cqc....

In terms of strength and skill overall Yamamoto seems to be better especially with the showings against Wonderweiss.

Only his 2nd state can he ever hopefully compete with Yamamoto.

seriosly Ulquiorra is on of the most underrated in Bleach, perhaps since he only showcased his abilites against Ichigo, but mind you Scarmask Ichigo would destroy yamamoto in a matter of moments, as would Ulquiorra Segunda Ettapa. its mostly due to that Ulq and Ichigo only fought each other in their most lethal forms that throws everything out of perspective, since theres no reference point with any other fighters, but thinking yamamoto can withstand and close quarters lanza is unfounded in anything presented in the manga, and no Wonderweis is not even a blip on the radar compare to Ulquiorra Segunda Ettpa. Ulq is faster, more durable, and has lanza to take yamamoto down in close quarters, and instantly spammable cero oscuras, for which yamamoto has no counter for, as well as fastest skill in combat sonido in the manga

I doubt this applies to Shikai Yamamoto.

Yamamoto tanked the fire that was going to destroy karakura town.

Durable? No he is not more durable.

This also relies on the notion that Yamamoto is not effective at Cqc against him.

[colorles]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

In terms of strength and skill overall Yamamoto seems to be better especially with the showings against Wonderweiss.

Only his 2nd state can he ever hopefully compete with Yamamoto.





I doubt this applies to Shikai Yamamoto.

Yamamoto tanked the fire that was going to destroy karakura town.

Durable? No he is not more durable.

This also relies on the notion that Yamamoto is not effective at Cqc against him.

note by durability i was factoring instant regeneration. anyways Ulquiorra en Segunda Ettapa would sonido in and attempt to stab Yamamoto with lanza, and even if Yamamoto lamds a hit, Ulq can regenerate and follow through with lanza in a movement, or just stay back and spam cero oscuras, or combine the styles with sonido, and any of Yamamotos flame attacks can be countered with cero oscuras, not that it would matter as he would already be hit with lanza in the scenario i proposed

the way this battle plays out as envisioned, Ulquiorra has matchup advantages

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by colorles

note by durability i was factoring instant regeneration. anyways Ulquiorra en Segunda Ettapa would sonido in and attempt to stab Yamamoto with lanza, and even if Yamamoto lamds a hit, Ulq can regenerate and follow through with lanza in a movement, or just stay back and spam cero oscuras, or combine the styles with sonido, and any of Yamamotos flame attacks can be countered with cero oscuras, not that it would matter as he would already be hit with lanza in the scenario i proposed

the way this battle plays out as envisioned, Ulquiorra has matchup advantages

Ulquiorra can't regenerate internal organs. His durability is not going to save him from Sokkotso or even Ikkotso I believe.

And Yamamoto can easily spam his own as well.

Ichigo with mask barely survived cero oscuras. Yamamoto can do it with ease.

His reiatsu should be much greater than the espada's as well.

Ulquiorra's only really advantage is maybe sonido but thats debatable and destructive power if it lands.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Yamamoto tanked the fire that was going to destroy karakura town.

He tanked his own explosion, which was sealed by Wonderweiss. Aizen commented that if he hadn't done so, the explosion would have taken out not only the phony Karakura Town, but also the real one, and a great amount of area around it. Yamamoto likely took on an attack that would make say, an atomic bomb, look like a pity.

Need I say he conjured the explosion himself, in Shikai?

And that he still had enough strength in him to conjure a 96 Kidou without incantation?

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

He tanked his own explosion, which was sealed by Wonderweiss. Aizen commented that if he hadn't done so, the explosion would have taken out not only the phony Karakura Town, but also the real one, and a great amount of area around it. Yamamoto likely took on an attack that would make say, an atomic bomb, look like a pity.

Need I say he conjured the explosion himself, in Shikai?

And that he still had enough strength in him to conjure a 96 Kidou without incantation?

Thanks for the reminder, Ulquiorra is definitely even more outclassed.

Its not underration, he is top tier but compared to the captain commander who Aizen even admitted he can't win in a direct fight.

Aizen was implied even to be aware of the 2nd ressureccion if I recall.

[colorles]

so how is Yamamoto gonna survive Ulq sonido'ing instantly to close quarters with him, lanza ready, and stabing him? even if Ulq gets hit, his regeneration can save him long enough to stab Yamamoto with lanza, even if Ulq is badly damaged himself or even close to death as he was after withstanding Scarmask's cero. either way Ulq is gonna land Lanza her in close range

it was also implied that Scarmask Ichigo and Segunda Ettapa Ulquiorra were on a completely different level from the other espada/shinigami captains, and no it was not implies that Aizen knew about segunda ettapa, although people like to think Aizen knows everything





sure Yamamoto is stong, but matchup wise Ulquiorra has advantages here, in the scenarios i have presented albeit rather vaguely but you get the jist

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by colorles

so how is Yamamoto gonna survive Ulq sonido'ing instantly to close quarters with him, lanza ready, and stabing him? even if Ulq gets hit, his regeneration can save him long enough to stab Yamamoto with lanza, even if Ulq is badly damaged himself or even close to death as he was after withstanding Scarmask's cero. either way Ulq is gonna land Lanza her in close range

it was also implied that Scarmask Ichigo and Segunda Ettapa Ulquiorra were on a completely different level from the other espada/shinigami captains, and no it was not implies that Aizen knew about segunda ettapa, although people like to think Aizen knows everything

Implying Ulquiorra is much faster than him......

No ulquiorra isn't tough as Wonderweiss, he will get shattered.

Minus Aizen and Yamamoto.

[colorles]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

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Implying Ulquiorra is much faster than him......

No ulquiorra isn't tough as Wonderweiss, he will get shattered.

Minus Aizen and Yamamoto.

with his sonido speed and regenertion combined with a ready lanza, he can survive in cqc long enough to land Lanza, which wont take long but then again he would not last long in cqc against Yamamoto

now can Yamamoto survive Lanza?



Wonderweiss beating Ulquiorra...naw...



keep in mind Ulquiorra has also been hinted at being an exceptually powerful vasto lorde even by vasto lorde standards, nd upon becoming an arrancar, did NOT take the power instead opted for regeneration, and he's STILL this powerful not to mention segunda ettapa, he's at a complete other level from all other arrancar (except maybe Arturo Plaeteado whos a video game arrancar anyways) and shinigami captains (with only Scarmask Ichigo, Aizen, Gin, and Yamamoto being able to seemingly compete with him,,and maybe Tousen with his haxx bankai, although lanza/cero could maybe take care of that, and then theres Touses hollow form, los nueve aspectos could be troublesome too,,). seriosly Ulquiorra is underated

anways for Yamamoto to deafeat Ulquiorra, he has to be able to withstand Lanza del Relampago as Ulq has the matchup abilites to land it albeit he would probably take great damage himself

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by colorles

with his sonido speed and regenertion combined with a ready lanza, he can survive in cqc long enough to land Lanza, which wont take long but then again he would not last long in cqc against Yamamoto

Not really, Lanza is the only thing you have going for him.

now can Yamamoto survive Lanza?

Maybe not completely but he has shown immense durability in terms of concussive force, burns and such.

Wonderweiss beating Ulquiorra...naw...

Thats not the point, WOnderweiss had shown better durability overall.

seriosly Ulquiorra is underated

Its not underration to say Yamamato can win. He is the top tier of all top tier minus like 2 characters.

anways for Yamamoto to deafeat Ulquiorra, he has to be able to withstand Lanza del Relampago as Ulq has the matchup abilites to land it albeit he would probably take great damage himself

Thats assuming Yamamoto gets hit by hit and doesn't counter himself.

You are not considering Yamamoto's retaliation, kido, his sword, and his shikai.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Yamamoto is gonna verbally destroy the lowsy emo that;s for sure

then he's gonna BBQ the sucker because really there is nothing ulqy can do

[colorles]

the only thing i'm REALLY trying to point out here is that Ulquiorra has the abilites matchup wise to hit Yamamoto with Lanza, he sonido's in to close quarters with lanza ready, and despite the cqc damage he might take, his regeneration can save him at least long enough to hit Yamamoto with lanza, and unlike Scarmask, yama does not have hierro, he would take the full force of it without regeneration to save him. Ulq would probably take heavy damage in this process, but he WILL land Lanza in close quarters, and from distance he has cero oscuras and sonido to counter and get in close with lanza, what i'm saying is he WILL land lanza, maybe take some damage but not more damage than what he withstood against Scarmask

now Yamamoto does not have hierro at Scarmask level, lol he doesnt have hierro at all, so when Lanza hits in cqc, its gonna explode with full force, the same force that not only dwarfed las noches but the simple air radius around the actaul explosion was enough to destroy much of it, displacing tons of sand in the process, also las noches is larger than karakura town, comparing yama withstanding his own attack to a cqc delivered Lanza is 'not a comparison' lol, without hierro of Scarmask level the Lanza at cqc is just gonna teach into Yamamoto on contact and explode at the same time, it would devastate yamamoto, its the most destructive attack in bleach (moreso than any cero, and theres multiple ceros that would hurt Yamamoto, moreso pure destructive power than mugetsu although mugetsu has 'transcendent' qualities)

not that Yamamoto isnt overall just as dangerous and not more versatile than Ulquiorra, but Ulq has matchup advantages here

also Ulquiorra is hardly 'emo', never got where that comes from, he's cold and detached, he doesnt understand what it is to have a 'heart' and he fights somwhat to instil despair in his opponents, show them how weak and useless they are, and fights without emotion, kills without emotion, was even willing to die against Scarmask's cero without emotion

[Yori]

Yama? The guy that withstood and attack that would have taken out FK and the real one? The guy that Aizen said one on one he couldn't beat? The guy that performed an 90 Hado and is still alive and kicking? The guy that made two senior captains look like kids? The guy that if you let him lands a single punch your done for?

The hell we are debating about?

[colorles]

Originally Posted by Yori

Yama? The guy that withstood and attack that would have taken out FK and the real one? The guy that Aizen said one on one he couldn't beat? The guy that performed an 90 Hado and is still alive and kicking? The guy that made two senior captains look like kids? The guy that if you let him lands a single punch your done for?

The hell we are debating about?

yeah? thats attack is nothing compared to lanza? since when were you under the impression Ulquiorra in his hidden form, with matchup advantaches such a close range lanza, and regeneration, both of which aizen does not have, was not stronger then aizen at least in terms of matchup against Yamamoto? (and yeah, against Yamamoto Ulq would do better than aizen as Ulq has the regeneration and the pure destructive power that aizen does not have, and no none of Aizens hado's at the time compare, and no the attack Yamamoto withstood is nothing in comparason to lanza, and las noches is far larfer than karakura town, and lanza is far more destruct and compresed explosive power with tearing qualities at the tip, in other words when lanza hits yamamoto in close range, its gonna tear into his skin and simultaneously explode, destroying yamamoto from the inside out) 90 hado thats nice but lets see him survive lanza expliding him from the inside out? Stark made two senior captains look like kids two, and was only killed due to his 'lack of motivation' and thus being caught off guard, and Ulquiorra is far stronger than Stark anyways? that guy may land a hit or two on Ulq, but Ulq has instant regeneration to save him at least long enough to land lanza, and since Ulq would just sonido into close quartes with lanza ready, Ulq would probably only take one hit and then proceed to lanza Yamamoto, sure ulq would take damage, maybe even heavy damage, but his regereration can save him long enough to kill yamamoto



matchup wise Ulquiorra has advantages. now would Ulquiorra deafeat Aizen in a one on one fight? no but he would put up quite a fight, its hinted he's on a complete other level from all other arrancars anyways even since he was a vasto lorde hollow, on a complete other level from other vasto lordes, and upon becoming an arrancar chose regeneration over added power, and is STILL this strong WITH a hidden form. howeerever matchup wise against Yamamot he has what Aizen did not have: pure destructive force and regeneration, both of which will allow him to get in close and lanza yamamoto and likely live through the encounter

[Yori]

R U Serious? NF Grimm6jack all over again