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Old 08-02-2011, 11:53 AM   #21
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Right, but because you like Jiraiya better than Sasuke, he wins right?

Anyway, it takes Jiraiya longer to prep Sage Mode than for Sasuke to use Ammy, so once it gets down to the wire, and that's what it comes down to it, Ammy wins.
Jiraiya can seal Ammy.

SOTU right after could take it. There is also Toad Flame Bombs, Toad's Stomach, Barrier jutsu. And it doesn't take long for SM to prep, he could easily distract him with a Toad or Shadow Clone. Or he could easily hide in a toad, prep SM hop out.
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Jiraiya can seal Ammy.

SOTU right after could take it. There is also Toad Flame Bombs, Toad's Stomach, Barrier jutsu. And it doesn't take long for SM to prep, he could easily distract him with a Toad or Shadow Clone. Or he could easily hide in a toad, prep SM hop out.
his sealing for Ammy is too slow.. the first time he sealed it.. he had to pull out all the required tools to seal something very powerful.. he will not have time to Seal an Ammy to his face.. but who knows maybe he learned how to counter it when he said he would study it more
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Jiraiya can dodge Ammy with his SM speed, the toads will break him out of Tsukuyomi, and Gamabunta can stab the Susanoo!!
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his sealing for Ammy is too slow.. the first time he sealed it.. he had to pull out all the required tools to seal something very powerful.. he will not have time to Seal an Ammy to his face.. but who knows maybe he learned how to counter it when he said he would study it more
Ammy doesn't kill at all, it'll hurt but it won't kill him.
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Jiraiya was hanging with Orochimaru at 30% power.
Pain stated if Jiraiya knew his secret Jiraiya would have won that fight. Jiraiya could have escaped if he wanted to, but he wanted to gain intel for the village.
Why is Dark Swamp banned in all Jiraiya's Fights?

It seems anyone says Dark Swamp GG. IMO that makes Jiraiya Stronger then Sasuke.
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Jiraiya was hanging with Orochimaru at 30% power.
Pain stated if Jiraiya knew his secret Jiraiya would have won that fight. Jiraiya could have escaped if he wanted to, but he wanted to gain intel for the village.
Why is Dark Swamp banned in all Jiraiya's Fights?

It seems anyone says Dark Swamp GG. IMO that makes Jiraiya Stronger then Sasuke.
It makes him overpowered...
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It makes him overpowered.

But Sasukes Susanoo and Ammy doesnt.
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1.kirin
2.pervy-sage can't brake susanoo
3.stronger at what ?
last time i checked jiraya beated nobody
he got beaten by pain
only with tsunade stand a chance against oro.
1. LolSMtakeslessprepthereforewins
- Not purposely trying to avoid something or sound retarded, going to answer honestly, it does take more prep than Sage Mode firstly, second by the time Jiraiya does have Sage Mode prepped, Sasuke's screwed, Kirin or not. If he wants to suicide he can try and guide Kirin straight through Jiraiya's skull...and his own, they're going to be in taijutsu combat of course. Which makes me almost feel bad for Sasuke.
2. So he doesn't get hit by it? Simple.
3. Stronger physically, mentally, in terms of taijutsu, genjutsu and ninjutsu, in terms of a better character, in terms of being a ninja at all, in terms of speed, in terms of power, in pretty much every single aspect Jiraiya's stronger.

And yes, he got beaten by Pain, Pain of all people who could completely destroy Sasuke the moment their fight begins.

And no, he didn't get beaten, because I'd like to see anyone take on three Pain at one time, I don't mean six--three is far more difficult-- and come anywhere near winning after the other three appear(assuming they can even beat the first three at all).

Not only that, but the other three they just killed are back, and one of the one opposing Pain's arm is ripped off. Yeah sure Jiraiya was like "Lol yeah I saw" but I'd like to see Sasuke shrug off not having an arm.
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Counter for Chidori blitz?

Counter for basic Genjutsu?

Counter for MS Genjutsu?

Counter for Ammy?

Counter for Karin?

Mind you there is no knowledge, meaning plainly Jiraiya doesn't even prep SM.
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Counter for Chidori blitz?

Counter for basic Genjutsu?

Counter for MS Genjutsu?

Counter for Ammy?

Counter for Karin?

Mind you there is no knowledge, meaning plainly Jiraiya doesn't even prep SM.
Needle Jizo. Jiraiya's barrier would also work as it's basically a sixth sense and precognition.

Sasuke's genjutsu isn't as good as Itachi. He can't simply point his finger and put him under one. His Tsukiyomi was shown to only be strong enough to alter the appearance of something.

He's shown to write the seal for Amaterasu. Jiraiya's summonings can give him ample time.

Jiraiya's not going to stand and watch Sasuke shoot multiple fire balls into the air, have it rain for a bit, have the clouds gather, and then create some lightning.

If and when Jiraiya gets into Sage Mode, I don't see Sasuke winning. His barrier was able to trap Pain. Inside that barrier, there's gastric acid that could theoretically burn Susanoo away. There's also Frog Song and the speed that blitzed Pain twice.
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1. You think Jiraiya's just going to stand and watch Sasuke shoot multiple Fireball's into the air?

2. Sage Mode Jiraiya would stand a chance.

3. At being a shinobi? Notice how almost ALL Jiraiya fights restrict Swamp of the Underworld.

Maybe because he didn't have any screen time besides training pre-pubescent Naruto?

Almost every character would've lost to Pain under Jiraiya's circumstances. Like Fukasaku said, Jiraiya was there to gain information. Pain had the intent to kill.

Uh, Tsunade drugged Jiraiya and IIRC, it restricted Jiraiya of most of his chakra.
jaraiya has one move that is just haxx powerful and thats it
sasuke can take jaraiya in sage mode
sasuke is way faster plus has ammy and susanoo
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In almost every fight we've watched in Naruto series Jiraiya didn't used his full power, so can you imagine what could he do to Sasuke in his full power??
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Counter for Chidori blitz?
Proof Sasuke is faster than Jiraiya can do anything in the time it takes to make a Chidori?
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Counter for basic Genjutsu?
LOL
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Shima and Fukasaku, Jiraiya's willpower
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Sasuke commits Suicide.
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Mind you there is no knowledge, meaning plainly Jiraiya doesn't even prep SM.
Why would he not? Either way base Jiraiya still takes it.

Counter for Swamp of the Underworld?

Counter for mass boss summons?

Counter for Ranjishigami?

Counter for Frog Conversion?

Counter for Gamaguchi Shibari?

Now I'm just going down a list off the top of my head and giving off names of practically every single jutsu. Probably gonna hear stuff like "Susano'o lul" which is just....but I'll see soon enough.

Then we have SM which unless you prove otherwise there's no reason Jiraiya wouldn't prep for. SM only took a few seconds to prep anyway people really try to use that crap against him. I can totally see Sasuke killing Jiraiya while on Gamaken, Gamabunta, Gamahiro, etc etc etc.

Thirty seconds later, Sasuke's screwed.
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Sasuke isn't that much faster than Jiraiya and i am aware of Sasuke's talent, but he still needs a lot work so he he could beat Jiraiya.
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Sasuke is faster than jiraya and no one can deny that
with prep. time kirin is unstopable and sasuke said that it can't be dodged
the boss summons are so big that with ammy sasuke can burn them into ashes
jiraya can't touch sasuke due to his susanoo covered in ammy
raikage couldn't,without losing his arm
he need so much to enter sage mode
he needs well 5 min
sasuke needs 2 sec to enter susanoo
and 7 seconds for kirin
to stop genjutsu you need at least 5 seconds
in 1 sec he is fried by ammy
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jaraiya has one move that is just haxx powerful and thats it
sasuke can take jaraiya in sage mode
sasuke is way faster plus has ammy and susanoo
Don't even start by calling Jiraiya haxxed of all people when his opponent is Sasuke.

Sasuke can't take Jiraiya in SM. Jiraiya blitzed Pain TWICE, tricked him inside his frog stomach barrier when Pain has SIX different perspectives, and there's also Frog Song among others.

Like I said, Boss summons give Jiraiya ample time to write the seal for Amaterasu. The seal sucks all of it in so he could easily keep the scroll out.

Jiraiya should easily trick Sasuke into his frog stomach barrier if he was able to get Pain, who again, has six different perspectives. The stomach acid is said to burn anything and we've seen that Susanoo is susceptible to acid.

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Sasuke is faster than jiraya and no one can deny that
with prep. time kirin is unstopable and sasuke said that it can't be dodged
the boss summons are so big that with ammy sasuke can burn them into ashes
jiraya can't touch sasuke due to his susanoo covered in ammy
raikage couldn't,without losing his arm
he need so much to enter sage mode
he needs well 5 min
sasuke needs 2 sec to enter susanoo
and 7 seconds for kirin
to stop genjutsu you need at least 5 seconds
in 1 sec he is fried by ammy
Base Jiraiya has little to no speed feats since he's never been shown fighting at full power. I wouldn't say Sasuke has the speed to blitz Pain twice like Jiraiya did in SM. Three times if you count his Lion Mane jutsu.

Too bad Sasuke doesn't have prep for Kirin. "Jiraiya's not going to stand and watch Sasuke shoot multiple fire balls into the air, have it rain for a bit, have the clouds gather, and then create some lightning."

While Sasuke's busy with Boss summons, Jiraiya easily writes the seal for Amaterasu. Amaterasu isn't an insta-kill jutsu. It's just a fire that keeps burning. Boss summons are so big that it takes time for them to be killed. Jiraiya simply sucks in Amaterasu whenever it's used.

I highly doubt Sasuke would be able to sustain covering Susanoo in Ammy. Jiraiya simply keeps his distance while Sasuke drains himself of chakra if he does. Frog stomach barrier can burn away Susanoo with acid.

5 min for Sage Mode? Look at the chapter again. You could easily argue that it didn't even take a minute.

I'm really shaking my head over 7 seconds for Kirin. Again, "Jiraiya's not going to stand and watch Sasuke shoot multiple fire balls into the air, have it rain for a bit, have the clouds gather, and then create some lightning." While Sasuke's looking up in the air to shoot fireballs, he gets a Rasengan in the chest.

Sasuke isn't nearly as good as Itachi in casting genjutsu. He can't simply point a finger and cast one. Jiraiya is as smart as they come. Sasuke doesn't even use genjutsu in battle besides against Danzo since that was the only way to trick him.
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Sasuke is faster than jiraya and no one can deny that
with prep. time kirin is unstopable and sasuke said that it can't be dodged
the boss summons are so big that with ammy sasuke can burn them into ashes
jiraya can't touch sasuke due to his susanoo covered in ammy
raikage couldn't,without losing his arm
he need so much to enter sage mode
he needs well 5 min
sasuke needs 2 sec to enter susanoo
and 7 seconds for kirin
to stop genjutsu you need at least 5 seconds
in 1 sec he is fried by ammy
I can deny it, where's the proof because according to what I've read in the manga Jiraiya's a lot faster.

It may not be able to be dodged but when Jiraiya shunshins to Sasuke if he doesn't wanna commit suicide he's going to have to hold off using it. Unfortunately the conditions for Kirin will never ever be fulfilled in this fight, but say they were Sasuke isn't going to use it.

Sasuke can't touch Jiraiya either, so we wait. Swamp deals with Susano'o too if you don't want to factor in simply avoiding it and waiting for the massive chakra leeching structure to go down, but I was pretty sure that was restricted.

Because Raikage is a majorly offensive buffoon who went in guns blazing physically on Susano'o which Jiraiya isn't dumb enough to do.

Five minutes? FIVE MINUTES? It took at most 3/4 of a single minute, let alone five. I knew people didn't understand how much time it took exactly from what I've seen here so far but really FIVE minutes?

Then you turn around and say 7 seconds for Kirin, just lol. Sasuke has to use Amaterasu, Kirin, make sure the atmosphere is just right, what only was accomplished through a prolonged fight with Itachi who's a big Katon user, and also spread the field with Amaterasu in the meantime.

Maybe if Sasuke had Deva Realm on his team he could make it thunderstorm to prep a Kirin fast but 7 seconds while Sasuke is alone facing Jiraiya? Yeah right.

Amaterasu doesn't "fry".
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jiraya is slower than raikage and sasuke kept up with him
jiraya was at full power against pain
kirin prep are shorter than sage prep
you say jiraya is not watching how he shot fireball into the sky?
so sasuke do watch him entering sage?
amaterasu doesn't needs seals like sasuke already has shown
and if you payed atention sasuke doesn't needs fireballs for kirin like he almost use kirin agains team 7 without fire
amaterasu doesn't stops and can
remember and shut up watch again and you will see how open jiraya is while charging
and OP said they both have prep time
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Half the people here say Jiraiya would summon boss summons. However, if he does that he is screwed. While Jiraiya is busy with his own summons, amy, kirin, etc.
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Proof Sasuke is faster than Jiraiya can do anything in the time it takes to make a Chidori?
LOL
Shima and Fukasaku, Jiraiya's willpower
LOL
Sasuke commits Suicide.
Why would he not? Either way base Jiraiya still takes it.

Counter for Swamp of the Underworld?
Banned.
Counter for mass boss summons?
Blitzed and Chidori
Counter for Ranjishigami?
Blitz and Chidori
Counter for Frog Conversion?
Blitz and Chidori
Counter for Gamaguchi Shibari?
Blitzed and Chidori
Now I'm just going down a list off the top of my head and giving off names of practically every single jutsu. Probably gonna hear stuff like "Susano'o lul" which is just....but I'll see soon enough.

Then we have SM which unless you prove otherwise there's no reason Jiraiya wouldn't prep for. SM only took a few seconds to prep anyway people really try to use that crap against him. I can totally see Sasuke killing Jiraiya while on Gamaken, Gamabunta, Gamahiro, etc etc etc.

Thirty seconds later, Sasuke's screwed.
What?


Proof Jiraiya can even see Sasuke coming in base form?
I.E. Jiraiya wouldn't start with Underworld or Boss summons. This is in character.
"LOLing" At basically multiple ways in which Sasuke could easily wipe Jiraiya out is not a counter.

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