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Old 07-28-2011, 02:29 PM   #41
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She blocked them with her arms. Explain to me how you block a rasengan. She has never shown any impressive feats when being attacked from behind.

You don't block it, but you can evade it easily enough. Also she hasn't BUT she has byakugan which lets her see behind her so we can assume she reacts the same as when its in her visual range if she were average.


She fought during the war. All she did was use air palm.

Her byakugan also laster longer than Neji's. Just sayin >_>

Again, we have no clue how long that took. When we did see her, there was no appearance of her moving any faster than Konohamaru when he attacked Naraka. That is a felonious speed feat. If she were moving extremely fast, Kishi would have shown it.

How is it felonious? Unless you have some other way to explain Deva's lack of a push, after some talking, when the clear background shot in
437-7 didn't show her presence in the crater behind Deva. She would have had to move after the push, and even then its still 1-3 seconds between the talking. Adding in she had to scale down the side of the rim too.



Again, he has two clones. Since you seem stuck on direct close range attacks, she attacks one the other two nail her with rasengan with attack speed that is fast enough to nail Naraka.


He has to form the clones, two of them have to be closer to start forming rasengan, and Hinata has seen it from the Pain vs Naruto fight. She stabs he clones before Rasengan is finished. Its done.


How will she get there before he makes clones? Plenty of examples of clones being made instantaneously. You need to show Hinata being able to stop it.

Can you proof me Kono using it in combat? If I remember right, Naruto wasn't using them mid-combat until a bit into the chunin exams, and even then he had clones up before he was fighting.


She can't. She losses that way.

You lack proof of Kono's reactions or his speed. Rasengans take time to make, ya know.


Seeing something does not mean one can react to it. Plus, we have never seen Hinata use Bykagugan in that way. You can't assign Neji's abilities to her. You can only use what we have seen her do.

Are you insinuating that Byakugan works differently for Hinata than Neji?
Byakugan gives 359.9* vision, its never been stated any different for any member of the clan ever.


That is meaningless. If she is attacking a clone, she cannot be defending from behind.

That is meaningless. If she is attacking kono and sees rasengan coming how will she not be able to evade it?

No, no? Really?

I guess.



Naraka, a much more formidable opponent than Hinata.


Naraka, lacking 359.9* vision and can be argued for kakuzu-death in being the example of kono's growth in the story but reacted to FRS and Ebisu just fine.

If you want to make things up. Konhamaru and his clones blitz throw two kunai each. How does she avoid eight kunai when she is busy throwing two? One clone goes poof. Hinata is a pincushion.
Your math must be off, theres only 3 clones. 6 kunai. Minus two makes four going in a straight line. She jumps.
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Old 07-28-2011, 02:34 PM   #42
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FRS crossed the crater faster than she did, and Naraka dodged that. No need to get violent but if you wanna I'm not gonna.
While it is true Naraka moved out of the way I believe that shared vision made it possible for him to get a head start.

I mean he is likely the slowest body. There was that PIS element that I think everyone knows with konohamaru though.

Although the funny thing is Naraka did blitz the clone konohamaru up against the wall.
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If PTS Hinata was able to keep up with Neji, who was fighting off about 20 Naruto clones in close combat, post time skip Hinata should be easily able to handle Kono and his 2 weak clones.
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While it is true Naraka moved out of the way I believe that shared vision made it possible for him to get a head start.

I mean he is likely the slowest body. There was that PIS element that I think everyone knows with konohamaru though.

Although the funny thing is Naraka did blitz the clone konohamaru up against the wall.
They were all right there anyway so it didn't really matter much who was looking and who wasn't. Naraka had just as much head start as the other paths. They all do share vision of course.

But it doesn't change the fact that while plot induced maybe, it still happened, and Naraka still didn't react to Konohamaru. Not only did Naraka dodge the FRS but he got out of the expansion, that's the important thing.

It was all part of Kono's master plan.

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Actually Naraka did see Konohamaru its just the kid was too close, remember how bunshin feint works. They appear right behind you literally.
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Hence why Hinata dies
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What about Byakugan.
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Not to mention he was so slow that he instantly got behind Naraka and he still saw him
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It's too late for silly Byakugan, remember this:
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Lets discuss how its more sad how Konohamaru and Hinata actually had "better development" than Sakura.
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Time? What time, the Great Konohamaru is not bound by this mortal concept

Who cares about Sakura at this point in the manga I mean really It's getting too hardcore to care right now. Maybe later once everything cools down then people can start saying "Zomg Kishi sexist" again.
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Who cares about Sakura at this point in the manga I mean really It's getting too hardcore to care right now. Maybe later once everything cools down then people can start saying "Zomg Kishi sexist" again.
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So we all agree that Ino wins? Ok good.
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...
:< oh wait.

WRONG!
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Ino>a Bird
Itachi=Crow
Therefore Ino>Itachi.
That is also a fallacy but you know it's true.
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If PTS Hinata was able to keep up with Neji, who was fighting off about 20 Naruto clones in close combat, post time skip Hinata should be easily able to handle Kono and his 2 weak clones.
Neji was undoubtedly going easy on Hinata. He would be disowned, and thus snubbed from becoming the strongest Hyuga, if he went full force and unleashed on poor Hinata. She didn't exactly keep up with him. She never even landed a strike. That's not keeping up in my book.

Naruto hadn't exactly harnessed the full potential of Shadow Clone Justu back then. His clones were simply charging Neji with the intent to punch or throw a Kunai at him. Anybody, I mean any body, with Byakugan and/or Rotation could handle that with ease.

We honestly don't know how strong Hinata has become. She just stalled time without any avail versus Konohamaru, who planted a Rasengan on Nagato. Go ahead and put a double standard in Hinata's favor here, but a chunin should be able to do damage if 12 year old genin could. That's downright weak of Hinata, and this shows Konohomaru has feats that Hinata lacks.
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Neji was undoubtedly going easy on Hinata. He would be disowned, and thus snubbed from becoming the strongest Hyuga, if he went full force and unleashed on poor Hinata. She didn't exactly keep up with him. She never even landed a strike. That's not keeping up in my book.


To be blunt, you shouldn't necro threads unless you can form a better response than this. If he were going easy on her he wouldn't be rupturing her organs or trying to kill her after the match ended. Second is she landed strikes but they didnt do anything, third is that she managed to go toe to toe with him for quite a while.


Naruto hadn't exactly harnessed the full potential of Shadow Clone Justu back then. His clones were simply charging Neji with the intent to punch or throw a Kunai at him. Anybody, I mean any body, with Byakugan and/or Rotation could handle that with ease.

Even though he didn't use either to deal with the clones...?


We honestly don't know how strong Hinata has become. She just stalled time without any avail versus Konohamaru, who planted a Rasengan on Nagato. Go ahead and put a double standard in Hinata's favor here, but a chunin should be able to do damage if 12 year old genin could. That's downright weak of Hinata, and this shows Konohomaru has feats that Hinata lacks.
He planted a rasengan on Naraka, learn the story. Second is he had prep, and Naraka didn't dodge even though he noticed it, meaning that he either didnt feel there was any threat or just didn't openly care. However Hinata got to the middle of konoha crater before Pain's 5 seconds were up on his push, not counting in that 1-2 of those were spent talking. Kono has no prep, no reactions, no speed feats. He has a rasengan which needs two clones to make and Hinata has seen a rasengan before so its no suprise to her. Add in also she has byakugan which eliminates any chance for a sneak attack.

Honestly if you are going to necro, please make sure you at least have your facts straight and a better argument.
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He planted a rasengan on Naraka, learn the story. Second is he had prep, and Naraka didn't dodge even though he noticed it, meaning that he either didnt feel there was any threat or just didn't openly care. However Hinata got to the middle of konoha crater before Pain's 5 seconds were up on his push, not counting in that 1-2 of those were spent talking. Kono has no prep, no reactions, no speed feats. He has a rasengan which needs two clones to make and Hinata has seen a rasengan before so its no suprise to her. Add in also she has byakugan which eliminates any chance for a sneak attack.

Honestly if you are going to necro, please make sure you at least have your facts straight and a better argument.
I was going to correct, but I didn't really see the point in doing so.
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