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Old 07-27-2011, 02:25 AM   #1
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As Ichigo is trying to aid Ginjou Tsukishima interferes attempting to kill Ichigo who strikes the former first though.

Next thing is Ishida arriving and gets out a Bow aiming it at Ichigo.

After small talk he reveals Ginjou is the one who truly attacked him.

Uryu shoots an arrow at him but it's easily deflected.
Following that Tsukishima cuts down Uryu and Ginjou Ichigo.

Ginjou seems to be the former Shinigami as the Badge merges with his Sword revealing a Skull Pattern and tells the effect on his Friends is reverse if they are cut twice.

Chapter ends with Ginjou impaling Ichigo with his Sword.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:09 AM   #3
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omg!!! whats up with you and ruining chapters for ppl,do you get of from messing it up for the readers
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I knew Ginjo was going to turn out to be evil, but this is dull. Ichigo only needs to cut his friends with old Tsukishima's sword, and they are back to normal. Yawn.
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Just read the chapter. WTH? So Ginjo is a bad guy?
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:45 AM   #6
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Just read the chapter. WTH? So Ginjo is a bad guy?
Alongside with Tsukishima it seems.
Ginjou was simply cut so that he couldn't just appear to be good but Tsukishima MADE him good.
Best comparable to Light when he erased his Memories.

And I like to note that Kubo played it well that Ginjou attacked Uryu.
Note when it happened:
Tsukishima came from the front yet Ishida looked behind him.
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So is Tsuk the Anti-Hero or just a gin character: Doing Whatever The Hell He Pleases. Just now Ginjo snapped out from Tsuk's power, so Ichigo gaining his fullbring power was Tsuk's call. Confused
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In fact, I bet Ginjo is the leader.

Yes, Ichigo had to gain his fullbring power, so Ginjo can steal it.
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Wait maybe Ginjo wants to get rid of Ichigo's Fullbring so that he can fully regain his Shinigami powers.
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This isn't a surprise to me. I already knew that Ginjo had attacked Ishida. Why does that surprise everyone? It showed it early in the arc.
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Currently in Japan:
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This isn't a surprise to me. I already knew that Ginjo had attacked Ishida. Why does that surprise everyone? It showed it early in the arc.
Him explaining Tsuk's power is what confused me
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This isn't a surprise to me. I already knew that Ginjo had attacked Ishida. Why does that surprise everyone? It showed it early in the arc.
Because the person it showed looked like Tsukishima, not Ginjo.
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Because the person it showed looked like Tsukishima, not Ginjo.
You gotta note:
When he was attacked he looked BEHIND him.

Very possible Tsukishima distracted him from the Front while Ginjou attacked from behind.
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When he was attacked he looked BEHIND him.

Very possible Tsukishima distracted him from the Front while Ginjou attacked from behind.
Yeah, but at the time the chapter came out there was no reason to suspect that Ginjou was anywhere nearby.
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I love how everyone's all "I knew it" after it happened. It's always after it happens.

The one prediction I made that was true was that Ginjo was the Substitute Soul Reaper. My prediction wasn't a definite one, though, more that I was open to the possibility, but it looks like it was right.

I think this calls for re-thinking Xcution's backstory. Ginjo had to be the one to kill the original members of Xcution, but that means that when Tsukishima made himself the killer in the survivors' minds, they thought Ginjo wasn't the Substitute and that the real one had died. I don't understand, though, why Ginjo kept any of them alive or why he waited to get a new Substitute. Perhaps the original massacre never happened, and this is actually the original "I betrayed you all" scene. Ginjo simply hid the fact that he had Soul Reaper powers. However, that means Tsukishima must affect how he inserts himself into people's pasts, because otherwise cutting the members of Xcution a second time would only make them realize Tsukishima had never done anything to them.

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The one prediction I made that was true was that Ginjo was the Substitute Soul Reaper.
Hmm...? When has this ever been confirmed?
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Hmm...? When has this ever been confirmed?
If he isn't then the need for a Substitute Soul Reaper to be able to transfer powers to would be a lie. The problem I see with that is that Tsukishima couldn't know about the existance of the badge until he actually met a Substitute. If Ginjo and Tsukishima were always in this together, it makes more sense for Ginjo to have already been a Substitute, because then it's Ginjo deciding to work with Tsukishima to trick a bunch of people into giving him their powers.
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