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Old 06-03-2011, 01:21 PM   #81
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I liked the chapter...but the whole "not blood brothers" thing pissed me off, but I hope that they end up being blood brothers.

Also, what was Bee's name before, then?
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i thought it was pretty cool how naruto is up to speed with raikage...i would definitely like to see how they would fight
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I still can't stress how A and Killerbee not being blood brothers doesn't really strain their relationship. The blood doesn't matter, they're brothers.

Regardless of that, based on the premise the flashback is going to last about two more chapters. The premise is: Why would Killerbee sacrifice his life for Naruto? We can logically assume it has to do with the fact they're both Jinchuriki, so we have to see A (possibly along with his father) sealing the Eight-Tails inside Killerbee, and how Killerbee, A, and the Third all reacted. As I've said before, Tailed Beasts were put in relatives of Kages to show the Kage's power, so it's more of a boost to the relationship between Killerbee and A. It means that, for all purposes, they were brothers, regardless of the fact that they weren't related.

There are also several possible things the flashback can add, including possible Killerbee/Motoi flashbacks from Killerbee's POV, Darui getting brought in to connect to present day (relating to how Darui became A's right arm), and the death of the Third Raikage. It can also explain why Killerbee gave himself the name Killerbee as opposed to B. As long as the flashback ties things together and presents it in a good way I don't mind it.

For instance, the fist bump that Killerbee does when he meets people makes a whole lot more sense. I don't know if it was explained before, but in this chapter Killerbee says he can read someone's mind by doing a fist bump with them. He does the same thing with Iruka and Naruto. The Double Lariat he gave Kisame earlier also has a lot more meaning now that we see how he developed the move with A. If the flashback keeps doing things like that, I don't care if it lasts a few more chapters. (I draw the line at three, though. Kishi's got a story to tell and keeping the flashback any longer than three chapters distracts from the action of the present events. And that's assuming it cuts back to the present at the middle or end of the third chapter.)
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kishi is a god of unpredictability.... i just love how he made naruto kinda lose against Raikage. That was an excelling idea. At least he didn't go "Bleach" on us. i didn't see it coming. This still makes Raikage being in command of the entire army not laughable. if he got his a** handed to him by naruto at this point would be pointless. there are more important enemies for naruto to overwhelm with his powers not an ally.

Btw, what the heck was naruto thinking. He was about to go Kage Bushin when Bee threw Samehada infront of him...Kage Bushin? why Naruto?
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Btw, what the heck was naruto thinking. He was about to go Kage Bushin when Bee threw Samehada infront of him...Kage Bushin? why Naruto?
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I still can't stress how A and Killerbee not being blood brothers doesn't really strain their relationship. The blood doesn't matter, they're brothers.
Actually, I would argue that this makes slaying Bee less painful -- and makes A look less ruthless (but still brutal). It definitely matters. As a matter of world-building it matters because it tells us there's significant and powerful black population in the Cloud Village. People could have assumed that the few we saw were flukes or tokens, but that seems increasingly unlikely. I don't expect everyone to care about that, but it adds a certain flavor to the story, keeps it from being homogeneous. I like variety. It also matters because they weren't raised together from birth, which changes the nature of their relationship. It also shows that meritocracy is essentially universal in the ninja world, and blood only matters in so far as it confers natural talent/power. This further highlights the tragedy of the Uchiha-Senju rivalry, since it's essentially a blood feud.

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Bee said that Naruto using clones while in his cloak would be a disaster. Although it hasn't been shown actually draining Naruto, so there is space for this to not apply to him specifically. But Bee's the best judge of jinchuuriki capabilities in the ninja world. I admit this sets up Naruto for another godmode powerup.
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THE GOOD: The cell where Naruto charges A ... +1 art. Learning that Bee can stop A's punch cold. Learning that Minato was better than A.

THE BAD: While the flashback at least told us something new, flashbacks should come before or after critical present-time action. I still don't like them to begin with, and all that info could have been introduced without it. Writers do that all the time. But at least it wasn't a flashback to young Naruto -- so sick of that crap.

THE UGLY: If Naruto can't bypass A completely, his chances against Madara -- or even the undead kages -- are logically slim. But we all know that won't ultimately be a problem...
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I still can't stress how A and Killerbee not being blood brothers doesn't really strain their relationship. The blood doesn't matter, they're brothers.

Regardless of that, based on the premise the flashback is going to last about two more chapters. The premise is: Why would Killerbee sacrifice his life for Naruto? We can logically assume it has to do with the fact they're both Jinchuriki, so we have to see A (possibly along with his father) sealing the Eight-Tails inside Killerbee, and how Killerbee, A, and the Third all reacted. As I've said before, Tailed Beasts were put in relatives of Kages to show the Kage's power, so it's more of a boost to the relationship between Killerbee and A. It means that, for all purposes, they were brothers, regardless of the fact that they weren't related.

There are also several possible things the flashback can add, including possible Killerbee/Motoi flashbacks from Killerbee's POV, Darui getting brought in to connect to present day (relating to how Darui became A's right arm), and the death of the Third Raikage. It can also explain why Killerbee gave himself the name Killerbee as opposed to B. As long as the flashback ties things together and presents it in a good way I don't mind it.

For instance, the fist bump that Killerbee does when he meets people makes a whole lot more sense. I don't know if it was explained before, but in this chapter Killerbee says he can read someone's mind by doing a fist bump with them. He does the same thing with Iruka and Naruto. The Double Lariat he gave Kisame earlier also has a lot more meaning now that we see how he developed the move with A. If the flashback keeps doing things like that, I don't care if it lasts a few more chapters. (I draw the line at three, though. Kishi's got a story to tell and keeping the flashback any longer than three chapters distracts from the action of the present events. And that's assuming it cuts back to the present at the middle or end of the third chapter.)
Yes, it doesn't really matter. Same thing with Sai and his brother and Naruto and Sasuke. It does explain the large age difference between A and Bee. Or maybe A was just a REALLY big boy. In fact, in makes more sense. Who names their kids A and B?

Killerbee is a very selfish person. I doubt he would sacrifice himself. Kick snot out of the Raikage to let Naruto escape, yes.

I doubt the flashback will last two more chapters. We have already seen many Bee flashbacks. What else is there to say? Half a chapter at most. The good thing about Kishi is that he doesn't do chapter after chapter of the same flashback sequence. He just likes to give us mountains of flashbacks of material we just saw three chapters ago. -_-


Again we saw all those tings. We won't see them again.

Fist bump was pretty much explained when Naruto did it with KB. It is cool that the Double Lariat has more meaning now. These are good things to explain. Short flashbacks that don't introduce things like Karin in the chunin exams I can live with.
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Don't you just love A and pity Naruto, thank you kyuubi chakra for nothing,So Naruto needs more training, why kishi, why? What's so special about the raikage. He made naruto's new abilities look weak, after controlling the kyuubi,still not at a hokage level,Give Naruto a break.
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Just because things are said and things appear to be, does not mean they actually are.
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Even if they are, you can also depend on Kishi to power level everyone up every fifty chapters or so.
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Bee said that Naruto using clones while in his cloak would be a disaster. Although it hasn't been shown actually draining Naruto, so there is space for this to not apply to him specifically. But Bee's the best judge of jinchuuriki capabilities in the ninja world. I admit this sets up Naruto for another godmode powerup.
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Typical MC behaviour to overcome the odds that stop him from achieving his Goals.

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Typical MC behaviour to overcome the odds that stop him from achieving his Goals.

It's like FTG in Clone Version.
Well, I did cop to that. Just like he's likely to overcome A in some way. Just makes the idea that he'll beat Mr. There-Not-There Uchiha laughable, even though it will happen anyway...
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Except, Naruto flashbacks which are extensive, pointless and boring.
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Except, Naruto flashbacks which are extensive, pointless and boring.
Well not really only like the previous flashback was pointless or boring.

I mean not all Naruto flashback were like the one about Naruto's birth...well that was extensive. Most Naruto flashbacks are brief and last only like a chapter or less.
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A is just the next soul Naruto changes.
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It all comes down really. Sasuke could have easily kicked Naruto into the river making him drown or stabbed him with a kunai(Lol). But instead, he did not want to follow Itachi's ways. He could have gotten the Mangekyou without Itachi that way. Naruto born and injected with the Kyuubi, with out it, he could have died many times, as to the curse mark, Sasuke barely used it. In the movie, he could have jumped. Against Orochimaru, he didn't need the curse mark(the thing that really destroyed Orochimaru's dimension was Sasuke's gen-jutsu). Jugo, he would have came up for something to block him. Deidara, he did kind of need it to glide, but not really since one wing was cut off. And with Itachi, he didn't need it for anything(Except that 8 Headed Serpant Jutsu, but Orochimaru made him do it), and Itachi had to let Sasuke win.
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