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Old 04-10-2011, 11:15 PM   #21
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Main Point is that Sasuke get's stopped without killing him.

There is no turning back for Sasuke.That's a known Fact.
He cannot turn good at this point as everyone is already out for his Head.


I believe Itachi knows that.
Though as said there is no turning back from him.

Itachi can only stop him nothing more.
A Miraclous change of Heart?
Doesn't change the fact he will still be hunted down.
No matter how you look at it Sasuke cannot return nor can Itachi do anything unless EVERYONE in the Ninjaworld all of a sudden forgives him, which in no way will happen.
Unless Itachi's Gift is a Love Message to the entire World which is nonsense.
Actually, there is a very clear path to redemption for Sasuke. All he has to do is play a major part in saving the world from Madara, especially if it happens right as everyone is both watching and realizing that Madara can make his Project a reality. You don't execute your savior. Oh, they could try (although I don't think they would, especially since he didn't actually kill or capture Bee), but it would probably just cause another war, since such a move would truly piss off Naruto and probably the rest of the Leaf (at least the new chunnins, and perhaps more). Diplomatically, in order to maintain peace, the worst that could happen for him is exile at that point. Not sayin' it'll happen, but it's a way.

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There are a lot of speculations about this, but I doubt it's a sealing ability.

Besides, if it's a sealing ability, the battle would be over for Sasuke. He won't be able to use anything, but Fire Style Ninjutsu. He won't be even able to use Chidori, because he needs his Shringan to time the hit correctly, like evidenced when Kakashi tried to use it for the first time without a Sharingan, and Minato stated that without the Sharingan, the jutsu is incomplete and useless.

So yeah...with Katōn alone, Sasuke can't beat Naruto.

I'm more inclined to believe that Itachi has given the Sharingan to Naruto somehow. Maybe far-fetched, but it would be interesting to see Naruto use it. Besides, that would strenghten Naruto's Genjutsu abilities, which are his weakest. He can't be Hokage if he doesn't have decent skill with Genjutsu. Sounds to me like a good excuse to have him learn to use Genjutsu.
I don't think it's farfetched at all. We're dealing with (demi)gods here, one of whom created the freakin' moon. That cup runneth over with insane kinds of magic. We already know that ocular powers/traits can be both transplanted endlessly and even compounded (just look at Naruto's Kyuubi-Sage eyes). We also know that Naruto hasn't mastered a second element yet, which apparently is something the average jonnin can achieve, so that leaves room for powerups aplenty. Also, there's Naruto's heritage to consider: not only is he an Uzumaki, related to the Senju, but we learn that so is Nagato. Now, we are told that Madara gave Nagato his eyes, but we don't really know the method: was it Oro-style germline tampering, or a straightforward transplant? Is it even true? If it's germline, or not true, that means Naruto could conceivably be in line for that power to awaken somehow.

Personally, I do think it's an ocular power that Itachi gave him, and it could even be permanent, rather than just a booby-trap. Considering how ocular powers work, it could be that Itachi made a dormant ability in Naruto easier to trigger for the first time, or at a specific moment.
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Default Re: I think I figured out Itachi's Gift.

I don't think Itachi hoped Naruto wouldn't have to use the gift because it was dangerous but rather because he hoped that he would be able to kill Madara with the Amaterasu he implanted into Sasuke. That of course failed but Itachi was prepared for that outcome with the "gift" he implanted into Naruto.

Sealing Sasuke's sharingan? I don't think that's the gift. First why Itachi bother giving
such power to Naruto? I know it's because he planned on Sasuke killing him and making him the hero and all that jazz. But if all Itachi needed to do was cancel out
Sasuke's sharingan why not just cancel it out when he was fighting Sasuke? If it's
to cancel out the EMS it makes him even less sense because Itachi could have prevented that by crushing his own eyes and render them useless for an EMS transplant or he could have just not fight Sasuke in the first place. But Itachi encouraged Sasuke to fight him and he did it so Sasuke would gain his power
and get the EMS so he could fight Madara. Besides it would be better to use
a sharingan cancelling power against Madara. But then again why go through
all this roundabout business of doing things if he could just cancel out Madara's
Sharingan? It's much more likely that Itachi has no such powers.


I think the gift is either

1. A genjutsu flashback that will trigger when Naruto and Sasuke nearly kill each other. This flashback will explain pretty much everything. Since Itachi didn't want
Sasuke to know the truth it would make sense for him not wanting to have to use
it. But if Itachi was expecting Madara to try and twist words he might think that
it's best to just tell the whole truth. Itachi didn't just tell Sasuke because Sasuke
would probably not believe him or understand. Besides it would be easier to just
show Sasuke. Not only that but it might be something that both Naruto and Sasuke
have to be at it to understand. I also think this genjutsu would involve both Naruto and Sasuke into the illusion. Since this gives Kishimto an excuse to do an flashback
it's highly likely.


2. Defense against Genjutsu

Naruto's greatest weakness is genjutsu. The sharingan's strength is genjutsu.
Naruto has not used the "gift" despite battling Pain and his short skirmish against
Sasuke. So it's not anything offensive. It's also not a normal defensive measure either. However it could very well be anti-genjutsu because the last time Naruto
was caught in a genjutsu was against Itachi. Since then nobody has tried to do
genjutsu against Naruto.
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Well I guess you could say it doesn't matter whether naruto makes him good or not in the context of what he said, but then agian what would be the point of stopping him without killing him if he is just going to die right after anyways. This would suggest naruto's answer didn't matter because if he said that he would kill him rather than what he said itachi would have given him whatever anyways because killing him or not the outcome would be the same.
Everyone WILL forgive him, because Naruto is the child of the prophecy, he WILL bring peace to the ENTIRE Ninja world and he won't kill his best friend, because if he can't even bring his friend back to the village he can't become the next Hokage and that is his dream and is where this manga is all about right!

I think the gift Itachi gives to Naruto is one of the six powers he need to become the next Sage of the Six Paths. He actually got some of the paths opened/powers already!

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I think the gift is either

1. A genjutsu flashback that will trigger when Naruto and Sasuke nearly kill each other. This flashback will explain pretty much everything. Since Itachi didn't want
Sasuke to know the truth it would make sense for him not wanting to have to use
it. But if Itachi was expecting Madara to try and twist words he might think that
it's best to just tell the whole truth. Itachi didn't just tell Sasuke because Sasuke
would probably not believe him or understand. Besides it would be easier to just
show Sasuke. Not only that but it might be something that both Naruto and Sasuke
have to be at it to understand. I also think this genjutsu would involve both Naruto and Sasuke into the illusion. Since this gives Kishimto an excuse to do an flashback
it's highly likely.

2. Defense against Genjutsu

Naruto's greatest weakness is genjutsu. The sharingan's strength is genjutsu.
Naruto has not used the "gift" despite battling Pain and his short skirmish against
Sasuke. So it's not anything offensive. It's also not a normal defensive measure either. However it could very well be anti-genjutsu because the last time Naruto
was caught in a genjutsu was against Itachi. Since then nobody has tried to do
genjutsu against Naruto.

These are both very plausible, although I don't think this means it isn't an ocular power itself, even if it is defensive.

Now that I think about it, it could be that it's a chakra-presence like what Minato did inside Naruto.

You know, it's pretty crazy, especially if it is a chakra-presence. Naruto's primary gift seems to be that he's a ridiculously powerful chakra dynamo, capable of storing huge amounts of power for long periods of time. To me, it's more impressive than his Sage Mode, and if it weren't for his burden as a jinchuuriki, he'd be truly terrifying, with or without SM. I mean, do you think just any ninja can take and hold the kind of power he's been given by his parents, plus what Itachi gave him? If that were true, you'd just have gennin lining up before battle to pour chakra into the more powerful ninja all the time. In fact, if such things were common, it would have been more effective for Choji to infuse Kakashi with more chakra during his fight with Pain. Such a tactic would've been useful in a huge number of battles we've already seen...
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OOH! OOH! I KNOW IT! He planted a sealing jutsu in Naruto so when he fights Saasuke, Naruto will see Itachi in a vision like he did with his Mom and Dad, it'll somehow drag Sasuke into the vision too, but before Sasuke is in the conversation, Itachi tells Naruto the gift and how to use it.
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OOH! OOH! I KNOW IT! He planted a sealing jutsu in Naruto so when he fights Saasuke, Naruto will see Itachi in a vision like he did with his Mom and Dad, it'll somehow drag Sasuke into the vision too, but before Sasuke is in the conversation, Itachi tells Naruto the gift and how to use it.
That's pretty much close to what I suggested.
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I doubt it would be a sealing for sharingan for multiple reasons.


-When has Kishi EVER downgraded a person for a fight? Especially THIS fight.

-A sasuke without sharingan is pretty much the rough equivalent of a lost puppy.

-Sasuke WITHOUT sharingan poses no threat to Naruto.

And even if it did happen, sasuke is gonna get another, probably more far fetched power up fueled by the power of hatred or some plot device. But a good theory none the less.

In my perspective, it's going to give both of them some closure, and understand what happened a bit more deeply to put it simply. Perhaps it's not specifically meant for naruto, but simply to sasuke, knowing that if he took the wrong path, it would convey what itachi truly wanted.

Or maybe it is meant for Naruto, seeing as he's becoming more and more like the SoSP, he could get the Uchiha part of the bloodline in some sort or way via itachi. You never know. It's just rough speculation at this point in time.
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I doubt it would be a sealing for sharingan for multiple reasons.


-When has Kishi EVER downgraded a person for a fight? Especially THIS fight.

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-A sasuke without sharingan is pretty much the rough equivalent of a lost puppy.

-Sasuke WITHOUT sharingan poses no threat to Naruto.

And even if it did happen, sasuke is gonna get another, probably more far fetched power up fueled by the power of hatred or some plot device. But a good theory none the less.

In my perspective, it's going to give both of them some closure, and understand what happened a bit more deeply to put it simply. Perhaps it's not specifically meant for naruto, but simply to sasuke, knowing that if he took the wrong path, it would convey what itachi truly wanted.

Or maybe it is meant for Naruto, seeing as he's becoming more and more like the SoSP, he could get the Uchiha part of the bloodline in some sort or way via itachi. You never know. It's just rough speculation at this point in time.
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I don't think it's farfetched at all. We're dealing with (demi)gods here, one of whom created the freakin' moon. That cup runneth over with insane kinds of magic. We already know that ocular powers/traits can be both transplanted endlessly and even compounded (just look at Naruto's Kyuubi-Sage eyes). We also know that Naruto hasn't mastered a second element yet, which apparently is something the average jonnin can achieve, so that leaves room for powerups aplenty. Also, there's Naruto's heritage to consider: not only is he an Uzumaki, related to the Senju, but we learn that so is Nagato. Now, we are told that Madara gave Nagato his eyes, but we don't really know the method: was it Oro-style germline tampering, or a straightforward transplant? Is it even true? If it's germline, or not true, that means Naruto could conceivably be in line for that power to awaken somehow.

Personally, I do think it's an ocular power that Itachi gave him, and it could even be permanent, rather than just a booby-trap. Considering how ocular powers work, it could be that Itachi made a dormant ability in Naruto easier to trigger for the first time, or at a specific moment.
My point exactly. I don't know about Mangekyo powers like Amaterasu, but Naruto is weak with Genjutsu. Jiraiya said that Naruto isn't a genjutsu type, and yet, to be Hokage, you need good skill with all 3 types of jutsu. Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu. Itachi's "gift" could strenghten Naruto's Genjutsu ability, and he would be able to not only master it, but counter Sasuke's Genjutsu.

Naruto is already pretty good at Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, so mastering Genjutsu would fit perfectly with all of that.

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-A Sasuke without sharingan is pretty much the rough equivalent of a lost puppy.

-Sasuke WITHOUT sharingan poses no threat to Naruto.
Without Sharingan, Sasuke is left with plain Taijutsu and Fire Style. Beating Naruto would be out of the question with that, and Naruto'll literally step on him like an ant!

Although he would never actually kill Sasuke, because he's just too... in love with precious to him.
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Do you mean 30% Kisame? Does that count? It's practically like fighting a Shadow Clone.

Orochimaru showed signs of illness when he fought Naruto so it was to be expected.

Sasori didn't have his puppets because Kankuro had them.

Deidara didn't get downgraded. His arrogance is his weakness.

Hanzo was just overhyped. He wasn't downgraded at all.

Madara got downgraded in some sense but upgraded in others.

Itachi basically downgraded himself.



So the best examples are probably Sasori and Orochimaru.
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I doubt it would be a sealing for sharingan for multiple reasons.


-When has Kishi EVER downgraded a person for a fight? Especially THIS fight.

-A sasuke without sharingan is pretty much the rough equivalent of a lost puppy.

-Sasuke WITHOUT sharingan poses no threat to Naruto.

And even if it did happen, sasuke is gonna get another, probably more far fetched power up fueled by the power of hatred or some plot device. But a good theory none the less.

In my perspective, it's going to give both of them some closure, and understand what happened a bit more deeply to put it simply. Perhaps it's not specifically meant for naruto, but simply to sasuke, knowing that if he took the wrong path, it would convey what itachi truly wanted.

Or maybe it is meant for Naruto, seeing as he's becoming more and more like the SoSP, he could get the Uchiha part of the bloodline in some sort or way via itachi. You never know. It's just rough speculation at this point in time.
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I like how everyone has theories of the gift, forgets about it for a while, then a new thread starts with regurgitated ideas from the previous one. Just enjoy the ride, or don't. We'll find out the gift soon enough. (Side Note: I will admit that the sealing idea seems interesting; especially as we know the Uzumaki Clan has a great deal of knowledge in sealing techniques. Remember that Naruto's dad admits to this. Add to this the rumor of a kekki genki being eventually revealed for Naruto, perhaps it has something to do with sealings that we just do not know about yet). But time will tell!
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Hanzo was just overhyped. He wasn't downgraded at all.
That really annoyed me, actually...

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Although he would never actually kill Sasuke, because he's just too... in love with precious to him.
True. But I do think they have a role to play together beyond their rivalry at some point. Unlike many folks around here, I think it's entirely plausible for Sasuke to end up fully redeemed, even a figure of praise. When you consider what he's actually done (as opposed to who he's associated with), very little of it is really that bad, especially in the context of the ninja world. He's mostly guilty of assault (isn't every ninja?) and attempted kidnapping. Admittedly, he killed a quasi-Hokage, but if the truth comes out about Danzo to the wider community, no one will care. It's possible Itachi's gift could facilitate that. /shrugs

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This is enjoying the ride. How much fun is it to discuss things we know for certain? If that's all we wanted, we'd stay quiet and read the manga!

It's sorta like when folks pick out flaws in a movie -- they enjoy doing it.
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makes sense to me
I really hope this is how it goes down. I'd rather see Sasuke get a downgrade then Itatchi's gift turn into another power up.
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hokage;4963101]Nothing personal but I believe your all on the wrong track. I think Itachi gave Naruto a power that could kill the "eternal" Madara and consequently Sasuke as well if necessary. Itachi hopes to protect his brother but he loved his village enough to kill the rest of his clan. He knows Naruto will do everything he can to save Sasuke but if the worst should be necessary the village has to be protected.

My belief in this all lies in - When Sasuke's amaterasu activated after seeing Madara's sharingan for the first time Madara said that if Itachi knew a little more about him he would be dead. That power that Madara is afraid of is what Itachi gave Naruto.
What does the two bolded sentences above have in common...there're totally unrelatable imo... what has the power got to do with "even itachi doesn't know everythin about me..?

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I came up with this idea after watching last week's episode. I don't think anyone has thought of it yet, but I could be wrong.

Itachi killed his best friend Shisui to obtain Mangekyo Sharingan. Danzo had one of Shisui eyes. Maybe Itachi kept the other one and that is what he gave Naruto kinda of like the way he gave Sasuke some of his MS abilities. Also bear in mind that Shisui's other eye may have had different powers than the one Danzo was using.

Man I hope some of you out there read this I would like to hear your thoughts on this post and the one just before! I am posting this theory here mostly because I don't want to be a thread killer.
I think this is a rare and a great idea...i like it...what if Naruto actually reminded Itachi of Shisui...maybe similar situations was the case... Shisui cared so much about itachi that he couldn't stop him from the plan to destroy the clan; just as Naruto is trying to stop sasuke from coming after the village.
Just my thoughts on the topic.[/QUOTE]
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:19 AM   #36
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I came up with this idea after watching last week's episode. I don't think anyone has thought of it yet, but I could be wrong.

Itachi killed his best friend Shisui to obtain Mangekyo Sharingan. Danzo had one of Shisui eyes. Maybe Itachi kept the other one and that is what he gave Naruto kinda of like the way he gave Sasuke some of his MS abilities. Also bear in mind that Shisui's other eye may have had different powers than the one Danzo was using.

Man I hope some of you out there read this I would like to hear your thoughts on this post and the one just before! I am posting this theory here mostly because I don't want to be a thread killer.
mmmm... I don't think so... similiar possibilities have been discussed and discarded for various reasons.
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