Spoiler Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki & The Namikaze (The Big Secret) MUST READ!

[kalmeast]

So This Is My Complete Theory. Will Leave Out Some Contents Just To Make It Short And Easy To Read.

Firstly, Let's Take Into Account This Very Important Aspects Which Drives Ninjutsu.

Physical Energy
Spiritual Energy
Life-Force
Special Chakra

These Four Elements are the bases of my theory.
Eye: {Spiritual Energy & Special Chakra}
Body:{Physical Energy & Life-Force)

These Four Were A Part Of Rikoudo Senning + The Eye & Body.

Older Son Inherited SPIRITUAL ENERGY & SPECIAL CHARKRA + Rikoudo's Eyes.


Younger Son Inherited PHYSICAL ENERGY & LIFE-FORCE + Rikoudo's BODY.

Uchiha Are Known To Possess SPECIAL CHAKRA + SPIRITUAL ENERGY
Senju Are known To Possess LIFE-FORCE + PHYSICAL ENERGY

NOW Notice That SPIRITUAL ENERGY & PHYSICAL ENERGY Are Used For Ninjutsu And Thus Are Usually Offensive Components.

LIFE-FORCE & SPECIAL CHAKRA Are Mostly Defensive Since They Both Protect And Cause One To Strive For Life. Example: Madara Is Said To Possess A SPECIAL CHAKRA Even Among The Uchiha And Thus Survived Death From Hashirama.
LIFE-FORCE Caused Kushina To Live Even After Kuubi Was Extracted From Her. So These Two Though Different Have Similar Propensity.

The Uzumaki On The Other-hand Are Said To Possess SPECIAL CHAKRA & LIFE FORCE. That Is Half Of Senju Inheritance And Half Of Uchiha Inheritance. Meaning That The Uzumaki Are Partly Senju Alright, And Partly Uchiha (By Deduction).

Now, I Am Focusing On The Other Combination Of The Two, Which Is Inheriting PHYSICAL ENERGY From Senju And SPIRITUAL ENERGY From Uchiha. What Is This Clan. This Is A fully Adept Clan In Ninjutsu Performance, Because This Is What A Shinobi Needs To Perform Ninjutsu.
PHYSICAL ENERGY - Present In Every Cell Of The Body. It Cannot Be Increased Through Training Or The Sort.
SPIRITUAL ENERGY - Gained From Exercise & Experience.
Notice Here That, If A Ninja Inherits This SPIRITUAL ENERGY Trait Straight From The Rikoudo, It Becomes A Privilege And Thus He/She Does Not Need Much Exercise & Experience To Perform Ninjutsu. For Instance: The Uchiha: Itachi Was Gifted With The Ability To Perform Ninjutsu At Very Young Age Because Of His SPIRITUAL ENERGY. He Would Have Been Even Better If He Possessed Rikoudo's PHYSICAL ENERGY. Because He'd Have The Quantity Of Chakra.

My Deduction Of The Clan Who Possessed Both PHYSICAL & SPIRITUAL Energy Of The Rikoudo Is The Namikaze.
Minato's SPIRITUAL ENERGY Is Undoubtedly Unmatched. He Was Called A Genius. What About His PHYSICAL ENERGY. I Think He Had A Ton. And This Is Where Naruto Inherited It From.

Let's Access Minato's PHYSICAL ENERGY
Minato Summoned Gamabunta
He Fought Tobi Constantly Using His Transportation Technique. (As Copy Cat As Kakashi Is, And As Much As He's Been Around Minato Even Copying His Rasengan, Yet We Have Not Seen A Single Hint Of Kakashi Displaying Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. The Only Thing To Discourage Kakashi Is The Immense Amount Of Chakra It Requires. (This Is Presumptuous But Plausible).

Minato Used This Several Times, Against Tobi
Then Summoned The Reaper Death God
Then Sealed Part Of Kuubi Inside The Reaper. (Sarutobi Didn't Have Enough Physical Energy For Sealing Oro In This Case)
Then Performed Eight Triagram Sealing To Jinchurify Naruto
Then Sealed Kushina's Chakra
Then Sealed His Own Chakra Inside Naruto To Appear During The Pain Arc
Then Within Naruto He Had Enough Chakra To Re-Seal The 8-Triagram Seal.

NOW Someone Prove Me Wrong That Minato Does Not Possess Incredible Amount Of PHYSICAL ENERGY. Now We're Getting Somewhere!
If We Agree Then,


Kushina Possessed LIFE-FORCE + SPECIAL CHAKRA
Minato Possessed PHYSICAL ENERGY & SPIRITUAL ENERGY

Now When They Had A Son, Naruto, He Inherited Half Of The Traits From Each Parent. LIFE-FORCE From Kushina And PHYSICAL ENERGY From Minato, Therefore REVERTING HIM BACK INTO AN ORIGINAL SENJU. Making Naruto vs Sasuke Legitimate Rivals.

This Is The Reason Why Naruto Though His Father Was Minato The Genius At Ninjutu, Is Slow With Learning Ninjutsu. Because He Did Not Inherit The Spiritual Energy And Has To Improve That Through Training And Experience. That's Why He Works So Hard While Sasuke Sits And Get's Equally Stronger.

There's So Much More To Discover From These Analogies But It's Getting Too Long And Will Discourage People From Reading.

Let Me Know What You Guys Think.


BONUS ANALYSIS
My Interpretation Of the SIX PATHS

LIFE-FORCE + SPECIAL CHAKRA ------------1st Path.
PHYSICAL ENERGY + SPIRITUAL ENERGY-----2nd Path
LIFE-FORCE + PHYSICAL ENERGY -----------3rd Path
LIFE-FORCE + SPIRITUAL ENERGY-----------4th Path
SPECIAL CHAKRA + SPIRITUAL ENERGY ------5th Path
SPECIAL CHAKRA + PHYSICAL ENERGY ------6th Path

EDIT: To clarify that the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I have attributed To the combinations above are for the Sole Purpose Of Distinguishing All Six Combination. NOT trying to say Life Force + Special Chakra = 1st path Of The Sage. We Dont know which Path Comes first.

BESIDES THESE 6 COMBINATIONS, THERE IS NO OTHER. To Possess All Four Properties Means To Be Able To Use All 6 Combinations At Will, Therefore You Become The Sage Of The "Six Paths".....

This Is What Tobi Is Trying To Achieve.

I Will Re-post This Bonus As A Thread On Its Own So That People Who Dont Like Reading Long Text Can Read It.

[EvL j3st3r]

I agree that your theory overall is plausible. I disagree with many of your details tho. I don't think the elder son's Rinnegan was any different than Rikudo's. That picture was drawn on a small scale and it's pretty vague. I think ppl look too much into it. And as far as the younger son having a lesser body than RS.....maybe the necklace was actually just a necklace and has nothing to do with anything? Also, there is no proof that Kakashi "copied" Rasengan. Maybe he did, but I'm not completely convinced.

[7swordsmen]

wow thats a pretty good post, i have not thought about it like that before. But who do you think has all of combinations of energy, life force, and chakra?

anyway, kudos to you

[Wooster]

Hmm maybe, BUT( yes the big but) Madara has implied Uchiha and Senju are each a path. Once he got the Rinnegan he achieved the third path. The Uzumaki are special as Kushina and Nagata are both from there, but I do not think they have the paths at all.

I suppose you could try to dived the paths down, but I think that is unnecessary. Sure it gets a little confusing that the Rinnegan itself gave Nagato the six paths if that is only one path. Theorizing in that direction might be fruitful. Such as Nagato already had five paths and only needed the Rinnegan to achieve all six. Still, I think a better explaination is the Rinnegan gives access to all paths, but does not make one the Sage of Six Paths. You need all six components for that. Madara and Danzo both had two, which allowed them to use Izanagi and similar techniques.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

I agree that your theory overall is plausible. I disagree with many of your details tho. I don't think the elder son's Rinnegan was any different than Rikudo's. That picture was drawn on a small scale and it's pretty vague. I think ppl look too much into it. And as far as the younger son having a lesser body than RS.....maybe the necklace was actually just a necklace and has nothing to do with anything? Also, there is no proof that Kakashi "copied" Rasengan. Maybe he did, but I'm not completely convinced.

You Right, We Dont Know If Kakashi Copied It, But At Least He Learned It. I Should Rectify That.

About Rikoudo's Elder's Son, Yes, You Could Be Right Also. I Based My Argument On The Anime Ep 203. Is Revealed Close Picture Of The Spiral. I Feel Like It's Too Important For Kishi To Do By Whim. Even That, It's Not That Relevant To The Theory.
What Do You Think?

Check Out Anime Ep 205. There Is Some Detail Here: It Seems Rikoudo Didn't Show That Magatama On His Neck Until He Jinchurikified Himself. He Didn't Also Show The Blue Chakra Around His Body. So I'm Thinking This Magatama Is Not Some Jewellery He Wears. It's Like Naruto's When He Took Possession Of The Kuubi Chakra.

Another Observation Is That, If The Above Is The True Case, Then The Rikoudo Possessed The Rinnegan Originally. It Wasn't Given By The Juubi.

[deidara330]

No offense, but it'd be a lot easier to read if you didn't capitalize every word and used bold instead of all caps on important terms. I can't follow it well like that.

Anyways, I think it's a bit overcomplicated, and regarding its relationship to the Six Paths, it puts more emphasis on the clans and abilites than the people, where Madara has already out-and-out stated Nagato himself is a Path. Not just any Path, either, but the Third Path. There can't be dozens of Third Paths because it contradicts "Third".

Also, it doesn't make sense in regards to why the Sage is "Of the Six Paths". If combinations are Paths, then there are six combinations, and thus Six Paths. However, if the Sage is a master of all four of those aspects, he has no need to create any combinations with them as he already is a combination of all four. He isn't using any of the Paths individually, so there's no reason to call him the Sage of the Six Paths where it only give him one combination. In other words, he wouldn't be the Sage of the Six Combinations, because he doesn't have any of the combinations that make a Path.

In addition, the combinations themselves don't create anything. For example, Life Force and Special Chakra make the First Path. So what is that supposed to mean? The wielder of both cannot be a First Path, and besides that, the combination doesn't have any significance beyond its own existance. When someone combines Physical and Spiritual Energy, they get Ninjutsu. So when someone combines Life Force and Special Chakra, they get the First Path. But you have yet to give the First Path a definition beyond being the combination of two other things. In your theory, the Paths don't actually exist.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by deidara330

No offense, but it'd be a lot easier to read if you didn't capitalize every word and used bold instead of all caps on important terms. I can't follow it well like that.

Anyways, I think it's a bit overcomplicated, and regarding its relationship to the Six Paths, it puts more emphasis on the clans and abilites than the people, where Madara has already out-and-out stated Nagato himself is a Path. Not just any Path, either, but the Third Path. There can't be dozens of Third Paths because it contradicts "Third".

Also, it doesn't make sense in regards to why the Sage is "Of the Six Paths". If combinations are Paths, then there are six combinations, and thus Six Paths. However, if the Sage is a master of all four of those aspects, he has no need to create any combinations with them as he already is a combination of all four. He isn't using any of the Paths individually, so there's no reason to call him the Sage of the Six Paths where it only give him one combination. In other words, he wouldn't be the Sage of the Six Combinations, because he doesn't have any of the combinations that make a Path.

While I agree in general. I think you are being two literal. I think all Madara meant was that he now had three paths. That there is some order to the paths isn't likely.

I think kalmeast is stating that he has six combinations and thus is has the six paths IF that is how it works.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Wooster

While I agree in general. I think you are being two literal. I think all Madara meant was that he now had three paths. That there is some order to the paths isn't likely.

I think kalmeast is stating that he has six combinations and thus is has the six paths IF that is how it works.

I could be too literal, but you could also be reading into it too much. He said "Nagato... You are the Third of the Six Paths," and not "Nagato, you are the Third Path I will obtain the powers of." It doesn't have to have an underlying meaning, and since the Paths are most likely people, there could most certainly be an order to them. Could be an order of birth, order of death, or an order of something that the Paths are each meant to accomplish.

But that doesn't make sense. The attributes are passive things, such as Special Chakra and Life Force. You don't randomly activate Special Chakra and have normal chakra when that's not active. When you have Special Chakra, you always have Special Chakra. With that in mind, the Sage had all four attributes. Creating combinations of two is pointless when the Sage himself is a combination of four. Besides that, kalmeast hasn't said what the combinations create. He says that Life Force and Special Chakra are the First Path. But what is the First Path? When someone combines Life Force and Special Chakra, what are they creating?

[Kreegah!!!]

Originally Posted by deidara330

When someone combines Life Force and Special Chakra, what are they creating?

Big Woodies, like Yamato? Speaking of which, love this place: Big Woodies. 'Ware the Bang. They share facilities with a JellyBelly's and next lot over is a Quaker Steak & Lube... so much innuendo potential.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by deidara330

No offense, but it'd be a lot easier to read if you didn't capitalize every word and used bold instead of all caps on important terms. I can't follow it well like that.

Anyways, I think it's a bit overcomplicated, and regarding its relationship to the Six Paths, it puts more emphasis on the clans and abilites than the people, where Madara has already out-and-out stated Nagato himself is a Path. Not just any Path, either, but the Third Path. There can't be dozens of Third Paths because it contradicts "Third".

Also, it doesn't make sense in regards to why the Sage is "Of the Six Paths". If combinations are Paths, then there are six combinations, and thus Six Paths. However, if the Sage is a master of all four of those aspects, he has no need to create any combinations with them as he already is a combination of all four. He isn't using any of the Paths individually, so there's no reason to call him the Sage of the Six Paths where it only give him one combination. In other words, he wouldn't be the Sage of the Six Combinations, because he doesn't have any of the combinations that make a Path.

In addition, the combinations themselves don't create anything. For example, Life Force and Special Chakra make the First Path. So what is that supposed to mean? The wielder of both cannot be a First Path, and besides that, the combination doesn't have any significance beyond its own existance. When someone combines Physical and Spiritual Energy, they get Ninjutsu. So when someone combines Life Force and Special Chakra, they get the First Path. But you have yet to give the First Path a definition beyond being the combination of two other things. In your theory, the Paths don't actually exist.

I'll make sure to make the thread cleaner and clearer the next time. sorry about the capitalizing. btw, i have edited to clarify that, I am not trying to put order to the paths. I dont know which comes first. i only placed those 1st, 2nd etc for the purpose of distinguishing the combination alone. I know Nagato is 3rd of the path.
I dont think Tobi was referring Nagato as the 3rd Sage of the Six paths. I think he meant a (the) Third of the Six Paths.


@J3st3r, I just read Chp 321 pg 10, Kakashi confirmed the He Copied the Rasengan but couldn't go further than the Change in chakra form.

[EvL j3st3r]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

You Right, We Dont Know If Kakashi Copied It, But At Least He Learned It. I Should Rectify That.

About Rikoudo's Elder's Son, Yes, You Could Be Right Also. I Based My Argument On The Anime Ep 203. Is Revealed Close Picture Of The Spiral. I Feel Like It's Too Important For Kishi To Do By Whim. Even That, It's Not That Relevant To The Theory.
What Do You Think?

Check Out Anime Ep 205. There Is Some Detail Here: It Seems Rikoudo Didn't Show That Magatama On His Neck Until He Jinchurikified Himself. He Didn't Also Show The Blue Chakra Around His Body. So I'm Thinking This Magatama Is Not Some Jewellery He Wears. It's Like Naruto's When He Took Possession Of The Kuubi Chakra.
Yea I know that these things aren't really so relevant to your theory. That's why I was sure to give you props for the theory first. I'm not trying to nit pick. There are just certain topics that catch my interest and I like to debate. RS's sons fall into that category.

Anyway, like I said, Kishi drew the elder son's eyes on a very small scale. Minor detail becomes more difficult on such a small scale. On top of that, we don't even see the original. We see copies/scans (which will distort the small detail even more). So I think it's just an insignificant detail flaw. As far as what we seen on the anime.....Kishi isn't responsible for that artwork. The anime artists just mocked the same flaw that you're picking out.

With the younger son, I agree it's probably a better bet to say that RS's necklace was a mark of some kind being a side effect of harboring the ten tails. But still so, I don't see how that would mean that the younger son had a lesser physical energy/body than RS. All it would mean is that he wasn't a Jinchuuriki. Doesn't indicate anything about his genetically inherited body and physical energy.
Another Observation Is That, If The Above Is The True Case, Then The Rikoudo Possessed The Rinnegan Originally. It Wasn't Given By The Juubi.

/green.

I share that same argument. I do not believe RS's Rinnegan is an attribute he acquired by sealing the Juubi in himself. I think they were his true eyes and his own power. Actually, I don't think the Juubi had any type of Rinnegan at all. I think it's original eye is the nine tomoe Sharingan which is possibly more powerful than Rinnegan............HAAAAA (gasp)! I wonder if EMS is the equivalent of the Juubi's 9 tomoe Sharingan meaning it may be more powerful than Rinnegan!

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

/green.

I share that same argument. I do not believe RS's Rinnegan is an attribute he acquired by sealing the Juubi in himself. I think they were his true eyes and his own power. Actually, I don't think the Juubi had any type of Rinnegan at all. I think it's original eye is the nine tomoe Sharingan which is possibly more powerful than Rinnegan............HAAAAA (gasp)! I wonder if EMS is the equivalent of the Juubi's 9 tomoe Sharingan meaning it may be more powerful than Rinnegan!

naa, i don think you're nit picking at all... it makes a lot of sense about the small scale drawing of the older sons eyes. Didn't realize kishi didn't do the anime. I agree with you that the younger son has no less of Rikoudo's body also.

Here's what i'm thinking about now,
Did Rikoudo give his powers to his two sons while he was still a jinchuriki or Did he Un-jinchurikify himself before giving his sons his abilities.

Either ways, I am to believe that during the rikoudo jinchuriki period, there was trading of chakra going on between the Juubi and Rikoudo like the Hachibi explained. There's possible Traces of The Bijuu's Chakra in Rikoudo even after he sealed it away. This might have caused a mutatation down the line from the older's son, thus the Uchiha and the sharingan. just a guess.

I still think the rinnegan is more powerful than the EMS..

[EvL j3st3r]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

naa, i don think you're nit picking at all... it makes a lot of sense about the small scale drawing of the older sons eyes. Didn't realize kishi didn't do the anime. I agree with you that the younger son has no less of Rikoudo's body also.

Here's what i'm thinking about now,
Did Rikoudo give his powers to his two sons while he was still a jinchuriki or Did he Un-jinchurikify himself before giving his sons his abilities.

Either ways, I am to believe that during the rikoudo jinchuriki period, there was trading of chakra going on between the Juubi and Rikoudo like the Hachibi explained. There's possible Traces of The Bijuu's Chakra in Rikoudo even after he sealed it away. This might have caused a mutatation down the line from the older's son, thus the Uchiha and the sharingan. just a guess.

I still think the rinnegan is more powerful than the EMS..

Your hitting very close to my theory. We think along similar lines. You may remember my Sharingan origin thread (you posted in it). Anyway, I was saying that Maybe some of the Juubi's characteristics imprinted on RS's DNA thus is how Sharingan manifested in human's and someone (may have been you) added that it may also account for the Uchiha's sinister chakra.

Anywho, we are very close to the same page here.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

Your hitting very close to my theory. We think along similar lines. You may remember my Sharingan origin thread (you posted in it). Anyway, I was saying that Maybe some of the Juubi's characteristics imprinted on RS's DNA thus is how Sharingan manifested in human's and someone (may have been you) added that it may also account for the Uchiha's sinister chakra.

Anywho, we are very close to the same page here.

Yes, I remember so vividly, that was your theory...You also included the fact that The rennigan depicted by the Juubi at the end was a result of it being under rikoudo's control like madara did to kuubi... I agree with you. In that case Things make a little more sense...

The Juubi's Chakra gave rikoudo the flaming chakra aura around his body and most likely the Magatama on his neck
Naruto get's the chakra from Kuubi (YANG) and shows similar Effect (body) and Nagato get's Madara's Sharingan (the other of the Juubi's Dna (YIN)) and Manifest's Rikoudo's Rinnegan...
It's unclear but just putting it out there in case you got some ideas...

I want you to check this out... I just saw it today...(i'm sure others have noticed it too).
Manga chp 327 pg 16. especially shipp. anime episode 80, b/n 6th to 8th minutes. It shows Pain siting on the tongue of the priestlike statue with a rinnegan. This priest looks nothing like the rikoudo we've seen. Most importantly around his rinnegan he has Naruto's Sage Mode Orange-red Pigment Around his eyes and a cigar in his hand like Gamabunta's. Looks like he has some link with the Myoboku Toads. Did Nagato create that statue? I have no clue.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by deidara330

I could be too literal, but you could also be reading into it too much. He said "Nagato... You are the Third of the Six Paths," and not "Nagato, you are the Third Path I will obtain the powers of." It doesn't have to have an underlying meaning, and since the Paths are most likely people, there could most certainly be an order to them. Could be an order of birth, order of death, or an order of something that the Paths are each meant to accomplish.

But that doesn't make sense. The attributes are passive things, such as Special Chakra and Life Force. You don't randomly activate Special Chakra and have normal chakra when that's not active. When you have Special Chakra, you always have Special Chakra. With that in mind, the Sage had all four attributes. Creating combinations of two is pointless when the Sage himself is a combination of four. Besides that, kalmeast hasn't said what the combinations create. He says that Life Force and Special Chakra are the First Path. But what is the First Path? When someone combines Life Force and Special Chakra, what are they creating?

Yes, third of the six paths I have obtained. It doesn't need to be said as it is implied.
What in the world would those orders have to do with the price of tea in China. The most logical order is the order Madara obtains them.

Whether it makes sense or not isn't my point. IF that was how they would be created, kalmeast's logic makes sense.

It just doesn't seem likely.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I'll make sure to make the thread cleaner and clearer the next time. sorry about the capitalizing. btw, i have edited to clarify that, I am not trying to put order to the paths. I dont know which comes first. i only placed those 1st, 2nd etc for the purpose of distinguishing the combination alone. I know Nagato is 3rd of the path.
I dont think Tobi was referring Nagato as the 3rd Sage of the Six paths. I think he meant a (the) Third of the Six Paths.

Ah, okay. I never said Nagato was the third Sage of the Six Paths, though. I just said he was the Third of the Six Paths. The Sage of the Six Paths thing has to be a mistranslation.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Yes, third of the six paths I have obtained. It doesn't need to be said as it is implied.
What in the world would those orders have to do with the price of tea in China. The most logical order is the order Madara obtains them.

Whether it makes sense or not isn't my point. IF that was how they would be created, kalmeast's logic makes sense.

It just doesn't seem likely.

Nagato is also third in the order of birth as both Madara and Hashirama were born before him. The implication goes that way as well. That order may not seem likely to you, but it does to me.

If that's how Paths are created, kalmeast's logic still doesn't make sense, as the attributes are always active and the things they create in combination would have to always exist. I also think that since the Sage would have all four attributes he'd simply make a combination of all four rather than six combinations of two, and that combination would be more powerful than all six simply because of its nature. My point is that it wouldn't make sense.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Ah, okay. I never said Nagato was the third Sage of the Six Paths, though. I just said he was the Third of the Six Paths. The Sage of the Six Paths thing has to be a mistranslation.Nagato is also third in the order of birth as both Madara and Hashirama were born before him. The implication goes that way as well. That order may not seem likely to you, but it does to me.

If that's how Paths are created, kalmeast's logic still doesn't make sense, as the attributes are always active and the things they create in combination would have to always exist. I also think that since the Sage would have all four attributes he'd simply make a combination of all four rather than six combinations of two, and that combination would be more powerful than all six simply because of its nature. My point is that it wouldn't make sense.

Hey Deidara, I think i understand what you're saying...Perhaps i didn't make it clear enough...i think we are arguing the same thing here. Yes, If the sage has all four he has all 6 combinations automatically. that's what i am saying here. Look at it this way? Mathematically if you have all four Properties like the sage, one can make a maximum of 6 combinations of two without repeating any one variable.

The easiest way to get four distinct properties is when you have Senju + Uchiha (Physical Energy, Life-Force + Spiritual Energy, Special Chakra).

Every descent of Rikoudo has only Two of The Four. Uzumaki has Life-Force & Special Chakra. That's Two of The Four. But When You Add Uzumaki To say Uchiha You get Lifeforce + Special Chakra + Spiritual Energy + Special Chakra (Do you see A repeat of Special Chakra)...Still will be missing Physical Energy. That's Why The Senju & Uchiha Are the Best Combo...Only That Combo can produce All SIX. Perhaps why Madara is bent on that.

Now, I am not saying that Every Uchiha or Senju Or Uzumaki are A Path. No. I am Theorizing that Among the Senju, There Is A Path which Happened to be Hashirama. So Each of the Paths Has to be a SPECIAL PERSON among the Rikoudo's Descendants.

Nagato For Example, came into possession of Rikoudo's Spiritual Energy through Madara's Sharingan that He gave To Nagato (assuming that's the case, but this is presumptious). Yet this presumption is based on the fact that Nagato Didn't Possess that Rikoudo's Physical Energy and hence he got emaciated quickly from Using Gezo Mazo.

Sorry if this is too complex...I think it's simple when one is the author of the idea (kishi) but very complicated when one is the discoverer of the idea...

[deidara330]

We're not arguing the same thing. If the Sage has the four attributes, there aren't six combinations he can make. The abilities are passive, as I said. You can't activate them on a whim. If the abilities are always active, the Sage can't make combinations with groups of two. All four will combine at once because all four are active at once at all times. What I'm saying is that it's impossible for the Sage to create six combinations of two of the attributes when all four are always a part of him. He'd be the Sage of the Four Paths, not Six, because he's a master of four attributes at once, not six combinations of two of them. If the Sage were a normal person who had all four attributes, them he could activate those attributes when necessary to create combinations of them. However, they're not things you just turn on and off, and besides that, creating combinations of two is pointless when a combination of four would be more powerful and effective.

I think it's overcomplicated because I don't see a point to saying the Paths are combinations of completely different things rather than having their own standing. Someone can be unable to figure something out because it's too complex, but they may also be unable to understand it because it has no logic there to understand. I don't mean to offend you, but I see a hole in your theory that I can't seem to make sense of.

Also, please edit your first post. Reading it literally gives me a headache. I'm not trying to be mean, I literally can't read it like that.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by deidara330

We're not arguing the same thing. If the Sage has the four attributes, there aren't six combinations he can make. The abilities are passive, as I said. You can't activate them on a whim. If the abilities are always active, the Sage can't make combinations with groups of two. All four will combine at once because all four are active at once at all times. What I'm saying is that it's impossible for the Sage to create six combinations of two of the attributes when all four are always a part of him. He'd be the Sage of the Four Paths, not Six, because he's a master of four attributes at once, not six combinations of two of them. If the Sage were a normal person who had all four attributes, them he could activate those attributes when necessary to create combinations of them. However, they're not things you just turn on and off, and besides that, creating combinations of two is pointless when a combination of four would be more powerful and effective.

I think it's overcomplicated because I don't see a point to saying the Paths are combinations of completely different things rather than having their own standing. Someone can be unable to figure something out because it's too complex, but they may also be unable to understand it because it has no logic there to understand. I don't mean to offend you, but I see a hole in your theory that I can't seem to make sense of.

Also, please edit your first post. Reading it literally gives me a headache. I'm not trying to be mean, I literally can't read it like that.

I think u misinterpret the thread and take it too literal but you also have good points. i'll do a better job explaining next time...i'll edit when i make some time though..thx.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I think u misinterpret the thread and take it too literal but you also have good points. i'll do a better job explaining next time...i'll edit when i make some time though..thx.

I can't argue there. It's just who I am. Lots 'a times I'll take something too seriously or misinterpret something without really realizing it. Sorry if I did that too much.

You're welcome. This could also just be me being stubborn because I made my own theory on the same thing.