Madara vs. Darth Vader

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

no, he wasnt any more injured than in the previous chapter. he phased through a couple dozen until he realized he wouldnt be able to keep it up the whole time.in ch 509 he had the exact same injuries.

Vader still counters Izanagi pretty easily.

[crystalblade13]

how? you've yet to explain how he deals with someone who repeatedly comes back to life and has a ohk move.

not to mention that madara can teleport.

vader crushes madara, madara gets brought back and simultaneously teleports behind and rips vaders heart out/absorbs him. how does vader counter this? especially when he lacks superior speed feats.

[Seven]

Vader doesn't need speed, he can still sense where madara will appear using the Force to follow his life signiture after death and the same with teleportation. Hell, Madara teleports Vader will probably rip him out of subspace.

[crystalblade13]

without knowledge someone appearing out of nowhere after death would catch vader off guard and he'd be absorbed.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

without knowledge someone appearing out of nowhere after death would catch vader off guard and he'd be absorbed.

Vader actually would be able to since the life signiture would switch back to alive instead of dead, there is a difference.
Vader has been shown to Force Jump at supersonic speeds. SW:FU1

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

no, he wasnt any more injured than in the previous chapter. he phased through a couple dozen until he realized he wouldnt be able to keep it up the whole time.in ch 509 he had the exact same injuries.

so when half of his mask and arm was missing your telling me that happenned the previous chapter.
protip:it happenned after the paper tag explosion

[crystalblade13]

even if he noticed i doubt he'd be able to react fast enough. considering madara will be fully aware and vader will only have just been alerted.

how was the feat proved supersonic? what did he do?

[crystalblade13]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

so when half of his mask and arm was missing your telling me that happenned the previous chapter.
protip:it happenned after the paper tag explosion

chapter 509, page 14, aka, the previous chapter.

madara broke the other side of the mask himself on 510. ch 510, pg 4, second panel.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

even if he noticed i doubt he'd be able to react fast enough. considering madara will be fully aware and vader will only have just been alerted.

how was the feat proved supersonic? what did he do?

The fact that Jedi are trained to have the quickest reactions ever for deflecting blaster bolts, Vader was once a Jedi he can react fast enough.

Pre-Cog, Vader is hypersonic.

[crystalblade13]

can you show me proof instead of saying he has increasingly high levels of speed in each progressive post? if he was hypersonic, why didnt you bring that up before?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

can you show me proof instead of saying he has increasingly high levels of speed in each progressive post? if he was hypersonic, why didnt you bring that up before?

Because I didn't have the OBD source measurement.
You understand the term Pre-Cog correct?

[crystalblade13]

honestly. no, i'm not sure exactly what it means.

[Seven]

Pre-Cog or Precognition or Clairyvoience means that they can see into the immediate future during battle or long term to even decades worth. Vader has shown massive Pre-Cog, this gives him the ability to see where Madara will appear when teleporting and it makes using the force uneeded because he will see when Madara will appear and what he will try to do.

[crystalblade13]

damn. was this in the comics? how did he ever lose? did it have a limit? could he only use it at certain times?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

damn. was this in the comics? how did he ever lose? did it have a limit? could he only use it at certain times?

Comics yes, I also believe that Anakin started showing it in the 3rd movie in his dreams.
As far as is known there is no limit but he can only see in the future of about 1-3mins during battle.

[cnorwood]

precog jedis can reflect lasers. aka lightspeed

[crystalblade13]

could the future be changed through actions by madara or is it set in stone?

izanagi manipulates reality around the user, so the fact that reality (what vader is seeing the future of) is changing may slip up the pre-cog.do you think this may be plausible?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

could the future be changed through actions by madara or is it set in stone?

izanagi manipulates reality around the user, so the fact that reality (what vader is seeing the future of) is changing may slip up the pre-cog.do you think this may be plausible?

Could be, the future is never set in stone, and if Madara could catch on he could maybe not die. But he ides after using Izanagi because he can't defend while reappearing and Vader could simpley implant his lightsaber in the spot where he appears and he dies.

[crystalblade13]

thats the thing though. theres much more room for vader to make a mistake than madara, who is equally as intelligent.

vader can likely stop madara a quite a few times when he reappears-but madara has 10 minutes of second chances.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by crystalblade13

thats the thing though. theres much more room for vader to make a mistake than madara, who is equally as intelligent.

vader can likely stop madara a quite a few times when he reappears-but madara has 10 minutes of second chances.

Yeah but that gives Vader an equal chance of victory if he figures madara out. :P