Spoiler Eternal Sharingan

[king kakashi]

Originally Posted by Namikaze_Naruto

1 - Sharingan does not increase any of those things. Obito had the sharingan, don't recall it increasing any of those things when he gained it. It is the sharingan user who determines their abilities with the different styles, not the sharingan itself. On the other hand, Senjutsu literally enhances taijutsu, genjutsu, and ninjutsu (although Naruto currently has no affinity at genjutsu). Not to mention the genjutsu would be broken by Naruto collecting sage chakra, effectively neutralizing genjutsu.
2 - Sasuke was dead in the first few moments against Raikage if not for Suigetsu and Jugo. Not to mention against Mizukage if not for Zetsu. And against Tsuchikage if not for Madara. He got owned by each one of them individually except when he used Susano'o to take down the walls so he could escape and hunt down Danzo.
3 - Sasuke's preference is shown to be lightning style. Not to say he isn't good at fire, but it is safe to assume his lightning style is stronger than his fire style. Also, how did he beat Itachi in fire style? Sure, he won the fight because Itachi planned it that way, but it wasn't because of his fire style.
4 - Where do you get this from? Tailed beasts are the most powerful beings, with the beast bomb being their most powerful technique. We have no idea what they are capable of, and it doesn't make sense to assume an extremely powerful lightning style attack could stand up to the power of the nine tails when we don't know the extent of that power. And while Kirin strikes at 1/1000th of a second, Naruto in kyuubi control moves so fast even the eight-tails jinchuriki was incapable of detecting his movements (when he attacked Kisame). I'd be willing to bet he easily has the edge speed wise. Not to mention Naruto's wind style trumps lightning style, so Naruto likely has two ways to trump Kirin.

Sasuke's eyes may end up being epic, but Sasuke is currently at a disadvantage against Naruto whether he is in Sennin Mode or Kyuubi Mode. And we have no idea of the extent of Kyuubi mode, his enhanced Sennin Mode, or Itachi's gift, or how any of this will combine for Naruto.

Sasuke will likely get a power-up to combat Naruto's gleaming advantage over him right now, but Naruto will end up with another crazy power-up of his own.

Originally Posted by Namikaze_Naruto

Good call, forgot about that particular. I was responding saying that Sasuke didn't defeat Itachi because of fire style, but I guess I misinterpreted the original statement. Thanks for calling me out on that.

I also view Itachi as fighting with a handicap, with Madara saying Sasuke wouldn't have stood a chance if he was at full strength. That is neither here nor there though...

1 the sharingan increases reaction time that is one of the most important things in taijutsu
2 copy ninjutsu is a sharingan tecnique
3 the sharingan is famous for it's genjutsu known as tskumniyomi
4 itachi's gift is unknown so therefore you can't start an arguement about it
5 itachi had ms and sasuke has already prove he is better with it than itachi

[jesse uzumaki]

sasuke is a pathetic version of itachi uchiha and his abilities.

all of sasuke jutsu on the sharingan and magekou sharingan are all pathetic campare to itachi abilities. many ninja have said this for example danzo, madara uchiha.

sasuke tsukiyomi is pathetic compare to itachi. so tsukiyomi is useless against naruto.
amatarutsu is a great jutsu but just like sasuke and riakage naruto capable of escaping it.

sasuke version of susanno is also pathetic compare to itachi version. now that sasuke has the eternal mangekou sharingan he get some cool jutsu but naruto is going to win in the end.

sasuke depends way to much in the mangekou sharingan.

[jesse uzumaki]

Originally Posted by king kakashi

1 the sharingan increases reaction time that is one of the most important things in taijutsu
2 copy ninjutsu is a sharingan tecnique
3 the sharingan is famous for it's genjutsu known as tskumniyomi
4 itachi's gift is unknown so therefore you can't start an arguement about it
5 itachi had ms and sasuke has already prove he is better with it than itachi

check my posts.

[Namikaze_Naruto]

Originally Posted by king kakashi

1 the sharingan increases reaction time that is one of the most important things in taijutsu
2 copy ninjutsu is a sharingan tecnique
3 the sharingan is famous for it's genjutsu known as tskumniyomi
4 itachi's gift is unknown so therefore you can't start an arguement about it
5 itachi had ms and sasuke has already prove he is better with it than itachi

1. Let's say that is true, which I don't believe as this is ever stated (provide references please). Sage Jutsu increases speed, strength, durability, and provides a form of hand-to-hand combat superior to taijutsu (Frog Katas). On top of Sage Jutsu being superior, Kyuubi Cloak is a pure energy shield which is near impossible for a sharingan to read/predict (see Naruto vs. Sasuke at VOTE). As well as this, it makes him impossibly fast and strong, as demonstrated by his demolishing Kisame (and him commenting on how ridiculously fast he is) and his busting through a wall that's capable of containing all jinchuriki (when attacking Kisame). Naruto has two different 'modes' that put Sasuke and his sharingan to shame when it comes to taijutsu.
2. Your point about sharingan being a copy ninjutsu is irrelevant, copy ninjutsu cannot copy rasengan (no hand signs), Sage Mode/Frog Katas (can't see the natural energy being gained/used, let alone know how to control and have the correct proportions), or Kyuubi Mode (what is his eye going to allow him to copy how to develop the nine-tails cloak?).
3. Sasuke's tsukiyomi is pathetically weak. This is said explicitly by Madara. And as I have said previously, genjutsu won't work on Naruto as he has natural energy to disrupt his chakra flow and bring him out of the state (you immobilize his body and he gains sage mode almost instantly now). If already in Sage or Kyuubi Mode, it will also be ineffective because of the chakra disruption.
4. There was never an argument made about it. Simply pointing out the obvious. Sasuke's eyes are unknown therefore you can't start an argument about them. That logic works both ways.
5. Itachi had mastered the sharingan, this is explicitly stated. It has never been stated, aside from C who has never seen Itachi from what we know, that Sasuke has done the same or is better at MS than Itachi. Sasuke may have a more developed MS, but that is because he recklessly uses it which lead to him losing his eyesight, which is the reason Itachi only used it when in a dire situation which called for it. There is a difference between having mastery and having power (who would win in a fight, Schwarzenegger or Bruce Lee [any decent martial artist really]? Same comparison) Sasuke is a child in comparison with Itachi when it comes to all things. Anyway, Sasuke's eyes are currently unknown therefore you can't start an argument about them.

I notice your response contained nothing in regards to the counterpoints I made. I didn't even mention that Susano'o was able to block Kirin because Itachi had the Yata mirror, which nullifies any technique. Sasuke does not have this (unless you want to claim we don't know he doesn't have it, in which case you can't make an argument about it).

[EvL j3st3r]

I don't understand this debate. There's nothing to argue. Sasuke and Naruto are equal in power. Or atleast they will be when the plot alows it to matter, as they always are.

[Mangekyou Sasuke]

If Sasuke doesn't get new speed feats I say that his EMS will be able to predict moves better.
Just a thought :/

[-Naruto-]

Originally Posted by Sp.Cartman

So have anyone thought about what Sasuke's new sharingan ganna be like if it turns out that they both don't kill each other off like the first battle.

Which i think it was a draw due to naruto scratching off that headband of sasuke and sasuke knocking naruto out when they clashed. But personally Naruto won because he scratched that headband first!

Its look maybe Itachi's MS with Sasuke's MS lines in it

[king kakashi]

Originally Posted by jesse uzumaki

sasuke is a pathetic version of itachi uchiha and his abilities.

all of sasuke jutsu on the sharingan and magekou sharingan are all pathetic campare to itachi abilities. many ninja have said this for example danzo, madara uchiha.

sasuke tsukiyomi is pathetic compare to itachi. so tsukiyomi is useless against naruto.
amatarutsu is a great jutsu but just like sasuke and riakage naruto capable of escaping it.

sasuke version of susanno is also pathetic compare to itachi version. now that sasuke has the eternal mangekou sharingan he get some cool jutsu but naruto is going to win in the end.

sasuke depends way to much in the mangekou sharingan.

itachi couldn't manipulate amatsuro and he didn't have any susanoo arrows
danzo died because of sasuke's genjutsu and it has been said multiple times by madara, kakashi, orochimaru, and many others that sasukes sharingan is better than itachis

Originally Posted by Namikaze_Naruto

1. Let's say that is true, which I don't believe as this is ever stated (provide references please). Sage Jutsu increases speed, strength, durability, and provides a form of hand-to-hand combat superior to taijutsu (Frog Katas). On top of Sage Jutsu being superior, Kyuubi Cloak is a pure energy shield which is near impossible for a sharingan to read/predict (see Naruto vs. Sasuke at VOTE). As well as this, it makes him impossibly fast and strong, as demonstrated by his demolishing Kisame (and him commenting on how ridiculously fast he is) and his busting through a wall that's capable of containing all jinchuriki (when attacking Kisame). Naruto has two different 'modes' that put Sasuke and his sharingan to shame when it comes to taijutsu.
2. Your point about sharingan being a copy ninjutsu is irrelevant, copy ninjutsu cannot copy rasengan (no hand signs), Sage Mode/Frog Katas (can't see the natural energy being gained/used, let alone know how to control and have the correct proportions), or Kyuubi Mode (what is his eye going to allow him to copy how to develop the nine-tails cloak?).
3. Sasuke's tsukiyomi is pathetically weak. This is said explicitly by Madara. And as I have said previously, genjutsu won't work on Naruto as he has natural energy to disrupt his chakra flow and bring him out of the state (you immobilize his body and he gains sage mode almost instantly now). If already in Sage or Kyuubi Mode, it will also be ineffective because of the chakra disruption.
4. There was never an argument made about it. Simply pointing out the obvious. Sasuke's eyes are unknown therefore you can't start an argument about them. That logic works both ways.
5. Itachi had mastered the sharingan, this is explicitly stated. It has never been stated, aside from C who has never seen Itachi from what we know, that Sasuke has done the same or is better at MS than Itachi. Sasuke may have a more developed MS, but that is because he recklessly uses it which lead to him losing his eyesight, which is the reason Itachi only used it when in a dire situation which called for it. There is a difference between having mastery and having power (who would win in a fight, Schwarzenegger or Bruce Lee [any decent martial artist really]? Same comparison) Sasuke is a child in comparison with Itachi when it comes to all things. Anyway, Sasuke's eyes are currently unknown therefore you can't start an argument about them.

I notice your response contained nothing in regards to the counterpoints I made. I didn't even mention that Susano'o was able to block Kirin because Itachi had the Yata mirror, which nullifies any technique. Sasuke does not have this (unless you want to claim we don't know he doesn't have it, in which case you can't make an argument about it).

1 naruto was hooked in itachi's regular genjutsu and sasuke has never used tskumiyomi
2 itachis weopons will be transfered through his eyes
3 i still don't comepletely get what you're talking aqbout in terms of taijutsu but because it would be a boring fight if the couldn't keep up with each other i'll agree. however, even if thier speed was equal sasuke has shown much better taijutsu skills than naruto
4 A is faster and stronger than bee sasuke was able to keep up with A with his lightning cloak on and naruto still hasen't perfected the tailed beast
5 as said before naruto is not immune to genjutsu because he is not cooperating with 9tails

[Namikaze_Naruto]

itachi couldn't manipulate amatsuro and he didn't have any susanoo arrows
danzo died because of sasuke's genjutsu and it has been said multiple times by madara, kakashi, orochimaru, and many others that sasukes sharingan is better than itachis

Itachi was never shown manipulating them. Don't think he could, but not having performed and not being able to perform are two different things. He didn't have arrows because he didn't need them, he had the Sword of Totsuka. Sasuke has more powerful eyes because he has a large amount of chakra, whereas Itachi had below level chakra levels. Sasuke was more powerful, Itachi was more skilled. I recall Kakashi and Madara saying that his eyes were more developed, and Orochimaru saying his eyes had potential beyond Itachi, but I don't recall them saying his eyes are better. Even still, references please.

Originally Posted by king kakashi

1 naruto was hooked in itachi's regular genjutsu and sasuke has never used tskumiyomi
2 itachis weopons will be transfered through his eyes
3 i still don't comepletely get what you're talking aqbout in terms of taijutsu but because it would be a boring fight if the couldn't keep up with each other i'll agree. however, even if thier speed was equal sasuke has shown much better taijutsu skills than naruto
4 A is faster and stronger than bee sasuke was able to keep up with A with his lightning cloak on and naruto still hasen't perfected the tailed beast
5 as said before naruto is not immune to genjutsu because he is not cooperating with 9tails

1. You're right, but that happened before he learned Sage Mode and gained control over the Kyuubi chakra. That excuse is not sound after all he has grown. Manga 478 page 3, Sasuke uses tsukiyomi. It is stated by both Danzo and Madara (on Manga 480 page 4 finished on page 6) that Sasuke's tsukiyomi is extremely weak in comparison to Itachi.
2. You don't know that. For all we know they were originally implanted into Sasuke's eyes, when he abandoned them he lost them. For someone who says you can't make an argument about something you don't know about, you sure make arguments about things we don't know about.
3. Sasuke had shown better taijutsu. Past tense. He has been relying almost solely on genjutsu in his last few fights (Danzo, Bee, not so much on Itachi but a lot as it was a battle of genjutsu). That was before Naruto learned Sage Mode, which enhances taijutsu, and frog katas which 'encapsulates the user in an aura of natural energy. This aura can act as an extension of their body and cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have trained in senjutsu,' and which took out one of pain's bodies with a single punch. Sage Mode, Frog Katas>taijutsu.
4. Naruto doesn't have to master the tailed beast, just the tailed beast chakra. Which he has, aside from the beast bomb. We don't know how must faster he is than A, but considering Bee's eyes couldn't even keep up with his movements and Kisame remarked that his speed was incredible (Manga 505 pg 13) I'm willing to wager that Naruto is faster than A. Also there was the whole thing about Naruto being fast enough in sage mode to swoop in pick up sakura and be a safe distance away all before Sasuke could deliver a single blow with a kunai (Manga 484 pg 16). So Naruto can move his entire body faster than Sasuke can his arm.
5. That is why I pointed out Sage Mode as the chakra disrupter. Genjutsu affects chakra flow in the brain, and can be combated by a sudden flow of chakra into the affected person's body. This is exactly what Sage Mode does.

I don't understand this debate. There's nothing to argue. Sasuke and Naruto are equal in power. Or atleast they will be when the plot alows it to matter, as they always are.

Just fools acting foolish

[king kakashi]

i agree with almost everything above however by getting Itachi's eyes his genjutsu will get a serious upgrade
and everything we've said about sasuke is before itachi's eyes so we have to see sasuke's upgrade before we can continue this arguement
not to mention when naruto outspeeded sasuke he was almost blind and had overused his sharingan

[Namikaze_Naruto]

Originally Posted by king kakashi

i agree with almost everything above however by getting Itachi's eyes his genjutsu will get a serious upgrade
and everything we've said about sasuke is before itachi's eyes so we have to see sasuke's upgrade before we can continue this arguement
not to mention when naruto outspeeded sasuke he was almost blind and had overused his sharingan

Agreed.

I'm more of the feeling that Sasuke may lose Susano'o and friends (as they said Itachi transferred them from his eyes to Sasuke's, and Sasuke just abandoned his along with them), but that's because we don't know how the EMS works exactly. Do they gain the powers of the eyes they implant and lose the powers of their original eyes? Do the powers compound? How far ahead did Itachi plan (specifically, did he know Sasuke would implant his eyes, so he put some fail-safe against Naruto/The Leaf as he did ammy against Madara)?

AAARGGGGG! So many questions, but we will have answers over time. And I look forward to continuing this argument

[konnle1oo]

i agree with you 100 % on that

[7swordsmen]

Sasukes enternal mangekyou will look something like this, as seen in 2011 ova

[-Naruto-]

That looks sweet

[Hyuuga Heir]

Originally Posted by 7swordsmen

Sasukes enternal mangekyou will look something like this, as seen in 2011 ova

I had a feeling it would look like that..... if that's what it will really be.

[Nick Tasogare]

I'm gonna guess and say those pics aren't allowed soooo edited.