Spoiler Madara's Plan has a Major Flaw and why he is rushing.

[Sagepain]

Originally Posted by Hyuuga Heir

I realize that the moon is still there, even when it waxes and wains, but even then, the dark part of the moon does not reflect light. So how can it reflect a genjutsu? I'm interested in seeing the details in how this works...

The dark part of the moon doesin't reflect light because no sunlight is aimed at that side of the moon at the time, Judging by the way Madara says he will reflect his Genjutsu on the moon, than I'm guessing his eyes will expel a light in the color and shape of a sharingan and thats what will be reflected on the dark part of the moon, but if what I just said is true than that would mean madara wouldin't be able to reflect his genjutsu on something that already has light reflected on it(Sunlight), therefore he wouldin't be able to use his genjutsu on the LIGHT side of the moon instead therfore having the same problem....I think.

Though this is just what I think.

[zerosameri]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Perhaps the Naruto world is flat.
The night Itachi massacred the Uchiha clan was a full moon too right? And the night the Nine-Tailed Fox attack. Maybe it is always a full moon in ninja land. They must hate it because how are you suppose to do sneaky ninja things with that damn full moon?

it's always a full moon in Naruto....

[Jinchiruuki]

Originally Posted by Vivi

He would have to.
Though stopping the Moon Cycle sounds rather inprobable.
Cause even then:
The Earth still turns meaning the Moon is only visible on one half.
The other Earth half be unaffected.
Unless the Naruto World isn't a Globe.

Exactly.Which is where his Plan flaws.

Actually plausible IMO.

The only thing is (which this may be VERY far fetched) is his ability to instantly teleport somewhere. If he wanted/had the ability to, he could constantly port himself to areas of the world to constantly have a full moon. This is unlikely though because like you said he is in a rush to do this.

[Jinchiruuki]

Oh and I would like to point another thing out:

Madara has a rinnegan meaning or we can assume at least he has knowledge and the ability to use Planetary Devastation? The one where he could create a moon xD

[EvL j3st3r]

So maybe it's a one hit thing. Madara never said the eye would have to constantly be over them. I don't think constant eye contact is required for visually invoked genjutsu. If it were......then why would people bother funneling their chakra into genjutsu victims to bring them back. It would be much simpler to just turn their head for them so eye contact is broken. So I think the moon's eye thing is just to initiate the genjutsu, not to sustain it. You get caught by the initial reflection on the moon..after that.....it's a non-factor. You're already under genjutsu.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Projecting Tsukuyomi on the Moon sounds all fair and well to me but there is a Time where the Genjutsu will stop.

Moon Phases.



The only time it would be fully in work is during Full Moon.


First Quarter as shown only visualizes one half of the Moon.
Thus the Eye Projection would only be 1 Half = Half Power.

New Moon it's not visible at all.

Now to current Events:
Madara is rushing cause it's currently Full Moon in the Chapter.

So what's the Point?
Mugen Tsukuyomi is the furthest thing it should be called.
Unless Kishi plans to let Madara lose due to Moon Phases.

agh agh, I Don't Agree At All.

1. We Don't Know How Long One Will Be Under That Tsukuyomi Once Their Caught. Why Did Itachi Stop The Tsukuyomi He Cast On Kakashi? It Was Simply His Chakra Correct? He Had To Replenish That Or He Could Do That For Ever. In This Case, With The Almost Limitless Chakra Tobi Would Possess, He Doesn't Face That Issue. So Once A Person Is Caught In The Tsukuyomi, Say At Full Moon, That Genjutsu Effect Could Last For Several Months For All We Know. Till The Next Full Moon, Where It'll Be Easy To "Renew" It.

2. I Doubt Tobi Is Trying To Genjutsu The Entire World...What He Said As World Is An "Expression"...(Just Like Kakashi Knowing "1000" Jutsus)... All He Needs To Control Are The FIVE SHINOBI NATIONS Who Are Possibly Around The Same Time Zone. I Mean, Why Involve Other Non-Ninja Nations... That'd Only Bring Guns And Jet-Fighters On Board Assuming It's Not Anachronistic.


EDIT:@J3st3r>> Jeez I should Have Read Your Reply Before Hand...I Just Repeated You, I Just Read The First Page And Just Jumped On Vivi. I Agree With. You.

[Sagepain]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

agh agh, I Don't Agree At All.

1. We Don't Know How Long One Will Be Under That Tsukuyomi Once Their Caught. Why Did Itachi Stop The Tsukuyomi He Cast On Kakashi? It Was Simply His Chakra Correct? He Had To Replenish That Or He Could Do That For Ever. In This Case, With The Almost Limitless Chakra Tobi Would Possess, He Doesn't Face That Issue. So Once A Person Is Caught In The Tsukuyomi, Say At Full Moon, That Genjutsu Effect Could Last For Several Months For All We Know. Till The Next Full Moon, Where It'll Be Easy To "Renew" It.

2. I Doubt Tobi Is Trying To Genjutsu The Entire World...What He Said As World Is An "Expression"...(Just Like Kakashi Knowing "1000" Jutsus)... All He Needs To Control Are The FIVE SHINOBI NATIONS Who Are Possibly Around The Same Time Zone. I Mean, Why Involve Other Non-Ninja Nations... That'd Only Bring Guns And Jet-Fighters On Board Assuming It's Not Anachronistic.

ummm.. because they'd pose a threat to him if he doesin't, the same way the samurai are right now?

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

it's always a full moon in Naruto....

Damn straight. Just like the seasons only depend on where you live.

[Namikaze_Naruto]

Even if Madara does cast IT, he will still have to deal with A, Bee, Naruto, Kabuto (assuming Oro's chakra is able to disrupt his own), Sasuke (better ocular jutsu, I would assume. Either that or keeping him as insurance against the others).

He clearly has a Phase II of the Moon's Eye Plan up his sleeve. Revive Juubi, enslave the world except the characters that are actually exciting, and then battle it without distractions. Either that or he turns the whole world against them

On a side note, although Naruto has only 1/2 Kyuubi chakra (for now), he still has a butt load more than either Kin or Gin. Remember, they only ate some of Kyuubi chakra, whereas he controls half. He still has a huge advantage over them, and I'm willing to bet that after he somehow gains the other 1/2 his full kyuubi chakra control will be on par with incomplete juubi.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

The better retrieve his body so that ican be buried at Arlingnoha National cemetery. I think a twin to Sarutobi's memorial and flame would be appropriate.

How about an underground memorial? So Danzo can be the Root.

Originally Posted by deidara330

I think he does. He's just got a very twisted way of getting it. He believes that since the world can't make peace on their own, as he already told the Five Kages they have not, resting control of the world's will from them is the only way to ensure a lasting all-encompassing peace. Madara is constantly telling people that there is no hope and makes personal inquiries as to Naruto's power of convincing his members to go against him. Madara is someone who lost hope decades ago, and is much too far from getting it back to be convinced to stop.

I don't see Madara being the "good intentions gone wrong" type villain.
I see Nagato being that and I don't see Madara being another Nagato.
Even when Naruto said to Madara that he was nothing like Nagato
Madara laughed and agreed. Both Naruto and Madara know what's
really up. Madara is a liar. He lied about the Nine Tails attack saying
it was a natural disaster when he was the one who caused it. So
I'm not too quick to believe him when he says he wants peace.
Besides peace by genjutsu is a recipe for slaughter. Put everyone
in an illusion so their can be pretend peace. Oh don't worry about
Madara. It's not like he's going to use this an opportunity to kill
everyone in their sleep. Madara is a villain through and through.

[Jakropha]

9 > 1/2 of 10 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > Tobi
Win math is win

[konanXD2]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

How about an underground memorial? So Danzo can be the Root.





I don't see Madara being the "good intentions gone wrong" type villain.
I see Nagato being that and I don't see Madara being another Nagato.
Even when Naruto said to Madara that he was nothing like Nagato
Madara laughed and agreed. Both Naruto and Madara know what's
really up. Madara is a liar. He lied about the Nine Tails attack saying
it was a natural disaster when he was the one who caused it. So
I'm not too quick to believe him when he says he wants peace.
Besides peace by genjutsu is a recipe for slaughter. Put everyone
in an illusion so their can be pretend peace. Oh don't worry about
Madara. It's not like he's going to use this an opportunity to kill
everyone in their sleep. Madara is a villain through and through.

I agree Madara is just a villain, He wants the world for himself since he coundin't have the leaf for himself.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by konanXD2

I agree Madara is just a villain, He wants the world for himself since he coundin't have the leaf for himself.

Remember the bloody mist? Madara wants that on a worldwide scale.

[Sagepain]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Remember the bloody mist? Madara wants that on a worldwide scale.

.......Never thought of that.....That is bad...very,very bad.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Remember the bloody mist? Madara wants that on a worldwide scale.

You make good points and provide good examples. He did tell Kisame he would start with Kirigakure. However, even if his goal isn't peace, I just don't see there being any reason for him to kill everyone in the world, and Madara has never been the type to do things without reason.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

How about an underground memorial? So Danzo can be the Root.

Only if he gets a black flame too.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by deidara330

You make good points and provide good examples. He did tell Kisame he would start with Kirigakure. However, even if his goal isn't peace, I just don't see there being any reason for him to kill everyone in the world, and Madara has never been the type to do things without reason.

It's not that I think his plan is to slaughter everyone but that he would be the type to slaughter everyone. Even if he had his goal of illusion peace
I don't see him holding true to his word.

After all Madara is the antithesis to Naruto.

(That's right. Madara. Not Sasuke.)