Spoiler Madara: First, I need to STEAL a "Substitute"

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by deidara330

It is possible that he meant a substitute to summon Gedo Mazo so its negative affects wouldn't apply to himself. However, being Madara Uchiha, and one who has mastered several time-space ninjutsu, I doubt he himself would have any need to submit to the statue's summoning requirements. I have an idea about what else he could've meant, though.

Why wouldn't it? Madara is severly weakened already. He has admitted as much himself.

He may intend to kidnap a general, Kage, or high-ranking individual in the Alliance. He would then have White Zetsu use the Substitute Technique to copy the individual's chakra and replace him in the Alliance, giving Madara control within his enemy's force. Why would Madara do this? Because it gives him a huge tactical advantage. Madara could then use the Substitute to command a contingent of forces to re-capture Naruto.

That is certainly a plausible strategy, but Madara has not hinted at it at all. The Mizukage would seem to be the must likely candidate as she is separated from the rest, but Madara does not even seem to really care more than to keep her occupied.

"Why wouldn't the Alliance already be doing that", you may ask. Well, A and primary war tacticians should be aware of Madara's ability to locate. As long as the Jinchuriki are out in the open, they are a capture risk. However, the Jinchuriki are powerful, and for Madara or anyone else to effectively capture either of them, they would have to be weakened. On the front lines, where thousands of other troops are fighting alongside them and protecting them, Naruto and Killerbee are not easy targets, nor are they likely to suffer damage. If the Alliance were to send a force to capture them, they would divert necessary forces from the war effort while attempting to perform the incredibly difficult task of capturing two master Jinchuriki. Although, That's what Madara is counting on.

I think Madara only needs them to be on the battlefield, they are now. He can now bring his real force to bear( the war to this point has only been Kabuto and Zetsu clones). I don't think Madara really cares about the Alliance force more than to distract them. He will lay bait to bring Naruto to him. I assume that is really what the Gedo statue is for.

With the pull of a Substitute, Madara could command hundreds of troops to the effort of capturing Naruto and Killerbee. An added bonus is that once the conflict starts, Naruto and Killerbee will be very disinclined to kill anyone on their side, leading to them holding back and taking more damage in the process. Once Naruto and Killerbee are weakened enough, Madara will capture them on his own and place them under a jutsu to prevent them from escaping. He will then take them to a remote location where extraction can proceed unhindered.

If I were Madara, I would've put Zetsu's technique to my advantage in such a way a long time ago.

Could but then he have all forces in one spot that is not what he wants. He wants Naruto and Killerbee with as few of the alliance around as possible.

He should have used zetsu, but it is really too late at this point.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Why wouldn't it? Madara is severly weakened already. He has admitted as much himself.

He can turn intangible and warp through dimensions. There's nothing saying the rods that stuck in Nagato can pass through dimensions or lodge in entities that can't be touched. Weakened doesn't mean anything if he's still powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with Minato.

That is certainly a plausible strategy, but Madara has not hinted at it at all. The Mizukage would seem to be the must likely candidate as she is separated from the rest, but Madara does not even seem to really care more than to keep her occupied.

That only makes it more unexpected on the reader's side. The Mizukage is the most easily captured but the least useful as well. She's stationed with the Daimyos and has no force to command, so if she were to send forces after the Jinchuriki it would be much too suspicious. Although, the Mizukage is intelligent and powerful, so keeping her distracted with Black Zetsu leads to an advantage in assaults elsewhere.

I think Madara only needs them to be on the battlefield, they are now. He can now bring his real force to bear( the war to this point has only been Kabuto and Zetsu clones). I don't think Madara really cares about the Alliance force more than to distract them. He will lay bait to bring Naruto to him. I assume that is really what the Gedo statue is for.

I don't think he has a second hidden force, other than any jutsu he may not have already used. He was going to capture them himself before the war started. Madara isn't underestimating of the power of the combined force of all five great villages, so if he wanted to distract them, he would certainly put much effort into it. Using a Zetsu subtitute would create much distrust among their ranks and weaken them considerably, leading to a more smooth capture of Naruto and Killerbee. He may be using the Gedo Statue to lure Naruto and Killerbee to that location. In fact, that's the most obvious thing he would do. Division 1 is closest to where they currently are, so causing havoc there would lure the Jinchuriki to that battlefield to help. However, the Gedo statue is necessary to Madara's plans as it contains the chakra of seven Biju. We've never seen it in any real danger, but should Naruto and Killerbee have the power to damage it, Madara's plans would be slowed or even halted. Madara also needs the statue itself for the extraction, and it can't extract the Biju from Naruto and Killerbee while they're at full power and in complete conciousness.

Could but then he have all forces in one spot that is not what he wants. He wants Naruto and Killerbee with as few of the alliance around as possible.

Are you so sure? As Madara said, he only needs to capture Naruto and Killerbee. Once that happens, nothing else matters. It doesn't matter if there are thousands of Alliance shinobi around as long as Madara can capture Naruto and Killerbee, and he only needs for them to be weakened enough to capture by sucking them up. It didn't work on Minato and some others because they were to fast or alert, but if Naruto and Killerbee were at the point of collapsing, he could capture them in seconds, and using the element of surprise, any nearby Alliance shinobi would be off-guard and probably not capable of helping much. Considering what's left of Darui's division, Madara could simply have their small number combat the Jinchuriki and weaken them to the point that he himself can capture them without any hinderances. Once he's captured them both, the entire war doesn't matter. He just needs to keep the Alliance from finding him long enough to extract the Biju.

He should have used zetsu, but it is really too late at this point.

It's never too late to disrupt your enemies' forces from the inside. Even Shi couldn't tell Kisame from Zetsu's substitute, so Madara has the opportunity to replace anyone out in the open.

[Jakropha]

Originally Posted by deidara330

It's never too late to disrupt your enemies' forces from the inside. Even Shi couldn't tell Kisame from Zetsu's substitute, so Madara has the opportunity to replace anyone out in the open.

Too late, Kakashi is already a Zetsu
There goes Gaara
Oopsie, bye bye Killerbee, your already sealed and replaced with a Zetsu

Who knows who's been switched so far

[kalmeast]

OK...Finally, now it's my turn to guess the meaning of STEAL a SUBSTITUTE

I say that he is going to steal Pain, NOT NAGATO, but Deva Pain, aka YAHIKO from where Konan hid him and he's gonna revive him with his Rinnegan and use him for the Gedo Mazo since Pain already has the Rinnegan.

thinking outside the box

[Jakropha]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

OK...Finally, now it's my turn to guess the meaning of STEAL a SUBSTITUTE

I say that he is going to steal Pain, NOT NAGATO, but Deva Pain, aka YAHIKO from where Konan hid him and he's gonna revive him with his Rinnegan and use him for the Gedo Mazo since Pain already has the Rinnegan.

thinking outside the box

Nice one!

Didnt think about that

What if Konan is like one of those guards in a game where everytime you come back, its back too
2nd Konan VS. Tobi fight

[Lord Jiraiya]

The Nine tails is not at full power. Remember guys Minato stated he couldn't seal all of the fox in naruto. Half was sealed in the Dead demon seal and the other half was sealed in naruto. So if madara needs all the the fox's power I dont see his plan working.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Lord Jiraiya

The Nine tails is not at full power. Remember guys Minato stated he couldn't seal all of the fox in naruto. Half was sealed in the Dead demon seal and the other half was sealed in naruto. So if madara needs all the the fox's power I dont see his plan working.

Zesus....he doesn't need all the foxes chakra... it's like half a bottle of your dna contains the same elements as a full bottle..that's all that's needed. As long as it's the real kuubi. + if naruto's evil side should get captured (say in the soul realm), do you think that naruto will be less real? that's how i see it.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Danielle

I don't think Kakashi has enough Chakra for something like that.

Actually I disagree. I don't think the person necessarily has to be a chakra powerhouse. Sure it drains chakra but I doubt Madara cares if the substitute dies. Of course Madara will want someone with a good amount of chakra
so he doesn't have to keep replacing the sub. But Kakashi should have at least a decent amount of chakra.

I'm thinking it's gonna be Darui who is the sub.

[Jakropha]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Actually I disagree. I don't think the person necessarily has to be a chakra powerhouse. Sure it drains chakra but I doubt Madara cares if the substitute dies. Of course Madara will want someone with a good amount of chakra
so he doesn't have to keep replacing the sub.

True, maybe he will grab like three substitutes

But Kakashi should have at least a decent amount of chakra.

If its Kakashi, then I think he's gonna Kamui everything up to expend his chakra quick when he finds out

I'm thinking it's gonna be Darui who is the sub.

Agreed.

In dah blue

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Jakropha

In dah blue

But dang. Darui is pretty cool. Still the war needs casualties.

[Wooster]

I guess Kishi could kill Danzo...wait he is already dead. -_-