Spoiler: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1.

kalmeast · 04-24-2011, 02:57 PM

I have been preparing some theory for now but I'll begin with this 1st Chapter so not to have too much text...i know some awesome guys who hate long text around here so for their sake....

I begin again by establishing this "quantities"

Rikoudo's Elder son inherited: Rikoudo's STRONG CHAKRA & MENTAL ENERGY = eyes
Rikoudo's Younger son inherited His LIFE-FORCE & PHYSICAL ENERGY = body

Now we know the rest, Uchiha and Senju are their descent respectively...

Uzumaki is said to be a distant relative of Senju...Is that all? what else do we know about Uzumaki?
Uzumaki possess STRONG CHAKRA & LIFE-FORCE of the Rikoudo.
What we dont know about the Uzumaki yet is they are a distant relatives of the Uchiha also. Uzumaki is the combination of the Senju blood Line and Uchiha bloodline. They inherited the LIFE-FORCE from the Senju and STRONG CHAKRA from the Uchiha.

J~~ust as Uchiha females do not inherit the Sharingan~~, like-wise the Uzumaki because the Sharingan is a product of Rikoudo's Mental Energy. So all Madara did was to add this MENTAL ENERGY (his Sharingan) to Nagato's Arsenal, So that Nagato came into possession of Rikoudo's LIFE-FORCE, STRONG CHAKRA & MENTAL ENERGY. Nothing was mentioned of Nagato's Physical Energy. (energy contained within his cells). But I believe he did not inherit this, that why he got emaciated quickly from using Gedo Mazo.

NO NEED TO READ THIS PART
Look at Sasuke's mother...sasuke took after his mother the most and he inherited her STRONG CHAKRA. Itachi took after his dad the most and he inherited the MENTAL ENERGY the most which is why he was better than sasuke at performing jutsu and was so good at such early age.

will continue with chp 2 later if you guys like this! it surely fills up several gaps in the manga.

Hyuuga Heir · 04-24-2011, 03:29 PM

Uchiha females as in...? The wives or female children born from an Uchiha parent? I'm doubting that part as we have never seen one, which means we don't know for sure. Obviously Sasuke's mom wouldn't have it, unless the Uchiha married within their clan. Even then she showed no purpose to use it. She was mostly a house wife, despite her being Jonin level (I think this is due to Kishi's sexism). I don't remember Mikoto ever having Strong Chakra either....

Namikaze_Naruto · 04-24-2011, 03:32 PM

I do have comments/questions/etc, but I definitely want to hear more about this so as not to be hasty or redundant. More please!

Namikaze_Naruto · 04-24-2011, 03:55 PM

Also, just based off of this, it could explain how Naruto (sans kyuubi) could defeat Madara with Juubi or whoever the final villain is. That would mean Naruto was born with Strong Chakra and Life-Force, Itachi's gift was Mental Energy (much like Madara's gift to Nagato), and Physical Energy would come from Sage Mode. The Physical Energy part is an assumption, but I don't think it is a stretch considering how Sage Mode aligns with your point about Physical Energy (e.g. Sage Mode enhances your body's cells).

This could be how Naruto gains the ultimate power, the Rikudo Sennin's power.

I know I said I was going to keep my comments to myself, but I couldn't help it!!!

Rikudo Nagato · 04-24-2011, 03:59 PM

Actually if Nagato was a Uzumaki and had the eyes of the sage then that means the Uzumaki's are VERY DISTANTLY related to the Uchiha. thats my idea

kalmeast · 04-24-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyuuga Heir

Uchiha females as in...? The wives or female children born from an Uchiha parent? I'm doubting that part as we have never seen one, which means we don't know for sure. Obviously Sasuke's mom wouldn't have it, unless the Uchiha married within their clan. Even then she showed no purpose to use it. She was mostly a house wife, despite her being Jonin level (I think this is due to Kishi's sexism). I don't remember Mikoto ever having Strong Chakra either....

somewhat agreed...i should eliminate that for now...we dont know yet. it's not absolute since I have seen one uchiha female with a sharingan.

kalmeast · 04-24-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Namikaze_Naruto

Also, just based off of this, it could explain how Naruto (sans kyuubi) could defeat Madara with Juubi or whoever the final villain is. That would mean Naruto was born with Strong Chakra and Life-Force, Itachi's gift was Mental Energy (much like Madara's gift to Nagato), and Physical Energy would come from Sage Mode. The Physical Energy part is an assumption, but I don't think it is a stretch considering how Sage Mode aligns with your point about Physical Energy (e.g. Sage Mode enhances your body's cells).

This could be how Naruto gains the ultimate power, the Rikudo Sennin's power.

I know I said I was going to keep my comments to myself, but I couldn't help it!!!

this is what i meant by it opens a lot of reasoning for other mysteries in Narutoverse...i guess u catching on to it so fast i may not need to continue with chapter 2....which was gonna talk about itachi's gift to naruto (the MENTAL ENERGY)...

Namikaze_Naruto · 04-24-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kalmeast

this is what i meant by it opens a lot of reasoning for other mysteries in Narutoverse...i guess u catching on to it so fast i may not need to continue with chapter 2....which was gonna talk about itachi's gift to naruto (the MENTAL ENERGY)...

As I'm sure I am neither 100% correct or 100% aligned with your thoughts, I would love to hear chapter 2. It's always nice hearing other's opinions (especially when they are well informed and interesting!) and I'm sure it will affect my way of thinking as well as others. Please, do continue!!

I knew I shouldn't have spouted my big mouth and ruined things!!

Gouldy17 · 04-24-2011, 04:40 PM

i agree with it all...since sum1 posted a theory about how the younger son was also a distant relative of the uzumaki (elder sons eyes= uzumaki clan symbol) also explains why nagato had the rinnegan

just like to say the part in brackets was not a discovery i made... i cant remember who made the thread but all credit should go to them

Hyuuga Heir · 04-24-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouldy17

i agree with it all...since sum1 posted a theory about how the younger son was also a distant relative of the uzumaki (younger sons eyes= uzumaki clan symbol) also explains why nagato had the rinnegan

just like to say the part in brackets was not a discovery i made... i cant remember who made the thread but all credit should go to them

I know what you're talking about, and that was the Older Son.

Namikaze_Naruto · 04-24-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyuuga Heir

I know what you're talking about, and that was the Older Son.

The older son had the sharingan, not the rinnegan. I think he is saying the younger son had the rinnegan, or the uzumaki branch of his lineage inherited the rinnegan which lead to the clan symbol on Naruto's (and the Konoha ninja's) jackets.

It's an interesting thought. Perhaps the first of the Uzumaki clan, which had the highest concentration of Senju and Uchiha, gained the rinnegan much as Nagato did. This then became the mark of their clan.

DeGenorous24 · 04-24-2011, 06:02 PM

Wow I feel a theory coming on xD

Hyuuga Heir · 04-24-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Namikaze_Naruto

The older son had the sharingan, not the rinnegan. I think he is saying the younger son had the rinnegan, or the uzumaki branch of his lineage inherited the rinnegan which lead to the clan symbol on Naruto's (and the Konoha ninja's) jackets.

It's an interesting thought. Perhaps the first of the Uzumaki clan, which had the highest concentration of Senju and Uchiha, gained the rinnegan much as Nagato did. This then became the mark of their clan.

First off, even though the Older Son inherited the Sages 'eyes', it has not been stated whether it was the Sharingan or Rinnegan yet. The descendants from him would later be the Uchiha and the Sharingan. Gouldy was mistakenly referring to the Older Son, because in the picture his eyes, though similar to the Rinnegan, also look similar to the Uzumaki Clan symbol. Chapter 462 page 12.

Namikaze_Naruto · 04-24-2011, 06:49 PM

^^ Good point, I looked back through and you were spot on. I mistakenly assumed that, as the Uchiha have the sharingan, that the eldest son had that as well. That was the basis of my statements, which now are moot. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

It does bring up a good question in regards to RS' eyes. With RS sporting the rinnegan, and the son who inherited his eyes having neither the rinnegan nor sharingan, what type of metamorphoses did the eyes go through as they were passed down to the present generation?

And it isn't just similar, in the sense that the eldest son's eyes are a spot on representation of the Uzumaki clan symbol. Anyone care for another easter egg.....

Gouldy17 · 04-24-2011, 06:56 PM

^ yes yes yes my mistake i always confuse the 2 i will edit it now sorry for the confusion

Hyuuga Heir · 04-24-2011, 07:14 PM

It's ok Gouldy, a lot of info to confuse.

Now something I noticed, if you look at the pictures from Narutopedia, it looks as though the Older Son's dojutsu is one tomoe at the center, only the 'tail' of the tomoe elongates and spirals around.

04-24-2011, 02:57 PM	#1
kalmeast Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Yttik A Ni Neddih Egalliv Posts: 2,769 Rep Power: 14 Member's Picture Albums	Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. I have been preparing some theory for now but I'll begin with this 1st Chapter so not to have too much text...i know some awesome guys who hate long text around here so for their sake.... I begin again by establishing this "quantities" Rikoudo's Elder son inherited: Rikoudo's STRONG CHAKRA & MENTAL ENERGY = eyes Rikoudo's Younger son inherited His LIFE-FORCE & PHYSICAL ENERGY = body Now we know the rest, Uchiha and Senju are their descent respectively... Uzumaki is said to be a distant relative of Senju...Is that all? what else do we know about Uzumaki? Uzumaki possess STRONG CHAKRA & LIFE-FORCE of the Rikoudo. What we dont know about the Uzumaki yet is they are a distant relatives of the Uchiha also. Uzumaki is the combination of the Senju blood Line and Uchiha bloodline. They inherited the LIFE-FORCE from the Senju and STRONG CHAKRA from the Uchiha. J~~ust as Uchiha females do not inherit the Sharingan~~, like-wise the Uzumaki because the Sharingan is a product of Rikoudo's Mental Energy. So all Madara did was to add this MENTAL ENERGY (his Sharingan) to Nagato's Arsenal, So that Nagato came into possession of Rikoudo's LIFE-FORCE, STRONG CHAKRA & MENTAL ENERGY. Nothing was mentioned of Nagato's Physical Energy. (energy contained within his cells). But I believe he did not inherit this, that why he got emaciated quickly from using Gedo Mazo. NO NEED TO READ THIS PART Look at Sasuke's mother...sasuke took after his mother the most and he inherited her STRONG CHAKRA. Itachi took after his dad the most and he inherited the MENTAL ENERGY the most which is why he was better than sasuke at performing jutsu and was so good at such early age. will continue with chp 2 later if you guys like this! it surely fills up several gaps in the manga. __________________ Hashi's DNA + FTG = Time Travel To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. When Rikoudo Entered Sage Mode, His Hair Changed To Dreadlocks. Critic: "Your S1 alludes to Beethoven's "fate" Brahms: "any ass can see that"... such class of reverence Last edited by kalmeast; 04-24-2011 at 03:56 PM.

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Hyuuga Heir Genin Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 344 Rep Power: 7	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. Uchiha females as in...? The wives or female children born from an Uchiha parent? I'm doubting that part as we have never seen one, which means we don't know for sure. Obviously Sasuke's mom wouldn't have it, unless the Uchiha married within their clan. Even then she showed no purpose to use it. She was mostly a house wife, despite her being Jonin level (I think this is due to Kishi's sexism). I don't remember Mikoto ever having Strong Chakra either....

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Namikaze_Naruto Apprentice Genin Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The outer reaches of the Dagobah System Posts: 192 Rep Power: 5	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. I do have comments/questions/etc, but I definitely want to hear more about this so as not to be hasty or redundant. More please!

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Namikaze_Naruto Apprentice Genin Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The outer reaches of the Dagobah System Posts: 192 Rep Power: 5	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. Also, just based off of this, it could explain how Naruto (sans kyuubi) could defeat Madara with Juubi or whoever the final villain is. That would mean Naruto was born with Strong Chakra and Life-Force, Itachi's gift was Mental Energy (much like Madara's gift to Nagato), and Physical Energy would come from Sage Mode. The Physical Energy part is an assumption, but I don't think it is a stretch considering how Sage Mode aligns with your point about Physical Energy (e.g. Sage Mode enhances your body's cells). This could be how Naruto gains the ultimate power, the Rikudo Sennin's power. I know I said I was going to keep my comments to myself, but I couldn't help it!!!

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Gouldy17 Genin Elite Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 455 Rep Power: 6	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. i agree with it all...since sum1 posted a theory about how the younger son was also a distant relative of the uzumaki (elder sons eyes= uzumaki clan symbol) also explains why nagato had the rinnegan just like to say the part in brackets was not a discovery i made... i cant remember who made the thread but all credit should go to them __________________ United's flag is deepest red, It shrouded all our Munich dead, Before their limbs grew stiff and cold, Their heart's blood dyed it's ev'ry fold. Then raise United's banner high, Beneath it's shade we'll live and die, So keep the faith and never fear, We'll keep the Red Flag flying here. We'll never die, we'll never die, We'll never die, we'll never die, We'll keep the Red flag flying high, 'Cos Man United will never die Last edited by Gouldy17; 04-24-2011 at 06:56 PM.

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Namikaze_Naruto Apprentice Genin Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The outer reaches of the Dagobah System Posts: 192 Rep Power: 5	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. ^^ Good point, I looked back through and you were spot on. I mistakenly assumed that, as the Uchiha have the sharingan, that the eldest son had that as well. That was the basis of my statements, which now are moot. Thanks for clarifying that for me. It does bring up a good question in regards to RS' eyes. With RS sporting the rinnegan, and the son who inherited his eyes having neither the rinnegan nor sharingan, what type of metamorphoses did the eyes go through as they were passed down to the present generation? And it isn't just similar, in the sense that the eldest son's eyes are a spot on representation of the Uzumaki clan symbol. Anyone care for another easter egg.....

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Gouldy17 Genin Elite Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 455 Rep Power: 6	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. ^ yes yes yes my mistake i always confuse the 2 i will edit it now sorry for the confusion __________________ United's flag is deepest red, It shrouded all our Munich dead, Before their limbs grew stiff and cold, Their heart's blood dyed it's ev'ry fold. Then raise United's banner high, Beneath it's shade we'll live and die, So keep the faith and never fear, We'll keep the Red Flag flying here. We'll never die, we'll never die, We'll never die, we'll never die, We'll keep the Red flag flying high, 'Cos Man United will never die

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Hyuuga Heir Genin Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 344 Rep Power: 7	Re: Uzumaki Greater than Senju or Uchiha (The Big Secret) Chp 1. It's ok Gouldy, a lot of info to confuse. Now something I noticed, if you look at the pictures from Narutopedia, it looks as though the Older Son's dojutsu is one tomoe at the center, only the 'tail' of the tomoe elongates and spirals around.

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