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Old 12-20-2010, 06:51 PM   #21
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Tobi is Madara. There is just too much information proving it.
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Doesn't Tobi have Madara's spirit sealed inside of him?
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Tobi is Madara. There is just too much information proving it.
That's clear, but for the sake of the thread he isn't Madara.
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Seriously Zero, did you make this thread just so you could troll anyone who doesn't agree with you? Trying to mock somebody who presented both pros and cons for alternate theories just makes you look shallow.


As for the critiques that actually had substance...

Saying stuff and having a picture go with it isn't the same as having a persons actual memories. Itachi wasn't even alive back then, but it didn't stop him from showing a genjutsu fantasy of what things were like back in Madara's time. The same happened during Kushina's story when it completely shifted to Minato's viewpoint.

It is absurd to simply believe the claim that it was a total secret to the rest of the world that Madara took his own brothers eyes, got booted out of his own clan, and had a climatic showdown against the First Hokage. Just because it was embarrassing for the Uchia to admit doesn't mean nobody knew about it in the present.

As for Sage of Six Paths (I'm assuming that was what you were referring to regarding "RS") , I don't even see how that is relevant to the claim of being Madara. The Sage was a legendary figure to everyone in the ninja world. Knowing some variations of the legend is hardly anything special, especially considering none of it can be confirmed.
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Seriously Zero, did you make this thread just so you could troll anyone who doesn't agree with you? Trying to mock somebody who presented both pros and cons for alternate theories just makes you look shallow. No I didn't. Believe this or not. This is a serous thread. Hence why I put /serous thread:
And who was I mocking?

As for the critiques that actually had substance...

Saying stuff and having a picture go with it isn't the same as having a persons actual memories. Itachi wasn't even alive back then, but it didn't stop him from showing a genjutsu fantasy of what things were like back in Madara's time. The same happened during Kushina's story when it completely shifted to Minato's viewpoint. I don't know how to respond to this.

It is absurd to simply believe the claim that it was a total secret to the rest of the world that Madara took his own brothers eyes, got booted out of his own clan, and had a climatic showdown against the First Hokage. Just because it was embarrassing for the Uchia to admit doesn't mean nobody knew about it in the present. Were did it say it was a secret?
Were did it say/show that he was embarrassed?
In other words he lied hence being kicked out of the clan. The only issue with that is the whole Uchiha and Konha founding thing. He was kicked out as a kid, but later it shows him in his 30's and just finding Konha with his clan along with the senju's. Plus he was still the leader then.

As for Sage of Six Paths (I'm assuming that was what you were referring to regarding "RS" Yes I refer to Rikudo Sennin/Sage of the Six Path has RS) , I don't even see how that is relevant to the claim of being Madara. The Sage was a legendary figure to everyone in the ninja world. Knowing some variations of the legend is hardly anything special, especially considering none of it can be confirmed.
True, but to all most everyone; they think RS is fake and no more than a old story. Madara on the other hand. Well someone like him would know a massive amount of info on RS (Kabuto might too)
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Maybe...if Shisui can control an opponent, and only one eye can control a man's actions, then the other eye can control thoughts, he could've made Itachi THINK he killed him. Buuut where'd Danzo get Shisui's eye? Well it could be from a battle he had with Shisui, or Shisui could've actually died, but before he died, he had a subordinate a "Madara" that he took control of that had attacked the vilalge a number of years ago., the subordinate was controlled into taking Shisui's eye as he was dying and the eye took control of him, thus we have a Madara that has Shisui's will to take revenge and also has "Madara's memories". This would make sense that Madara wanted the other Eye of Shisui and can deceive people easily.
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Maybe...if Shisui can control an opponent, and only one eye can control a man's actions, then the other eye can control thoughts, he could've made Itachi THINK he killed him. Buuut where'd Danzo get Shisui's eye? Well it could be from a battle he had with Shisui, or Shisui could've actually died, but before he died, he had a subordinate a "Madara" that he took control of that had attacked the vilalge a number of years ago., the subordinate was controlled into taking Shisui's eye as he was dying and the eye took control of him, thus we have a Madara that has Shisui's will to take revenge and also has "Madara's memories". This would make sense that Madara wanted the other Eye of Shisui and can deceive people easily.

Am I the only one horrified at the prospect of a Shisui MS? I mean his regular eyes have incredible powers as is...
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/must resist urge to bump Shisui theories.

You can't dispel Shisui that easily, Zero. Even recent chapters give more life to my theory.

Kabuto: I couldn't find the body of Shisui Uchiha.
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/must resist urge to bump Shisui theories.

You can't dispel Shisui that easily, Zero. Even recent chapters give more life to my theory.

Kabuto: I couldn't find the body of Shisui Uchiha.
/bump it, you know you want too.

When I wrote this, I could easily dispel Shisui. Though now, I can't really do it....

He said there wasn't enough of his body.
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That translation is debatable, because I read that he couldn't find it.
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Well as far as the facts in the actual manga storyline go. It is seen that tobi is madara. But now that i have seen theories posted in here it makes me wonder if some of them are actually possible.

There is a high chance that the theory about shisui is plausable. But i still think theres something else behind all of this but i cant really find out or put my finger on it yet.. :/
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I think Tobi is an Edo Tensei of Madara created by Tobirama. Kabuto just showed he come summon the Madara's spirit out of Tobi.

That would be plenty of reason to give Tobi a fright becaue then he would be controled by Kabuto. Remember Tobirama did not prefect the Edo Tenseil; I assume one of techniques he might not have mastered is control.
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Since Edo Tensei was the most powerful jutsu Tobirama possessed, it is only logical to assume that he'd use that jutsu during his final battle against several shinobi he fought during the 2nd ninja war... During his time, there were only a few shinobi that were stronger than himself, that is Hashirama and Madara... He would not summon someone weaker than him, correct... and he would not summon Hashirama (that is if he was dead) correct? that leaves room for only one guy whose dna was readily available to him which is Madara Uchiha...this is the guy who went toe to toe with his brother...

http://www.naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91963

that's the whole theory
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Which memories are you referring to? Most of the stuff Tobi has said concerning Madara would be family history commonly known among the Uchia clan.

The clans history of preying off each other to gain strength, and of Madara's dark path would be relatively well known to anyone who had been keeping track on the clans activities. Since the Uchia were one of the most powerful and feared clans in the land of fire, their rivals would also have reason to keep watch on them.

The only thing that seems even remotely secret was Izanagi but even Danzo knew about it and he isn't even part of the Uchia clan.

I've seen no quotes or flashbacks from Tobi that really confirm that he has exclusive knowledge that only Madara could have. Considering the way that Tobi consistantly mixes lies with the truth to further his agenda, I really can't take his claim seriously.


As for what that means about Tobi's identity, I can only speculate at this point. I think it is safe to say that at this late point in the plot that Kishi won't be introducing any new contenders from the past. So that leaves the established cast herd to sort through. Since fame matters in this regard, Izuna and Shisui seem like a solid canidates.

Having it be Madara's brother leaves room for him to know Madara's secrets while still be a pretender. Shisui on the other hand has fame going for him, but the nature of his "death" is hard to explain away, as there were apparently enough physical remains that Danzo could salvage one of his eyes.

Some people have also tossed around the idea that it is one of Sasuke's parents. Sasuke's dad always came off as kind of a jerk, so it isn't hard to shift him into full villain territory, but as clan chief he didn't really have any reason to handle things the way Tobi has. On the other hand there is Sasuke's mom, who was in on the secret about Kushina being pregnant, but has never been shown in even a remotely villainous way.

Considering that Tobi always has his sharingan activated he might not actually be an Uchia. If you consider this it dramatically widens the possible canidates to the point where there are to many to really consider seriously. If Kishi decided to go this route, I wouldn't be surprised if he revealed Tobi to be Rin, just to mess with everyone who thought it might be Obito. Afterall he has been keeping us in suspense over how she alledgedly died, and she wasn't in the batch of zombies that Kabuto summoned.
this is so well constructed and i dont see how to still argue most of the points you make... these are very good standard considerations that every needs to keep in mind
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