Spoiler Madara and Kuubi Attack Inconsistencies

[kalmeast]

I'll just start by saying in case anyone finds an inconsistency other than these, post here and let's edo tensei a new theory...

Here's mine...

1. Itachi said that Madara Attached Konoha 16 years Ago but Tobi (aka Madara) denied the allegation to sasuke... what'd motivate Madara to lie about that if he could admit that he helped itachi annihilate the Uchiha clan. What if Tobi wasn't lying?

2. Tobi as we see him now looked pretty old and his body didn't look that "fresh" (before the rennigan collection at least)
But when we watch him in Manga 500 when he takes baby naruto in his hands, all of his two arms were exposed and they looked so fresh and young (16 years couldn't incur such wrinkles can it?)

3. The Tobi that attacked the village 16 yrs ago has an impatient personality unlike Current Tobi who seems to have all the time in the world and more thoughtfulness.

I guess my question is, has something changed, are they really the same people. If they arent, then all our efforts of theories trying to figure him out will never pass.

[Jinchiruuki]

This is why I honestly think that the current Tobi is an Edo Tensei himself or something along those lines..maybe even a clone? The dramatic change in not only appearance but attitude as well hints that he is definitly not the Tobi who instigated the attack on konoha 16 years ago.

[JazzJunkie4]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I'll just start by saying in case anyone finds an inconsistency other than these, post here and let's edo tensei a new theory...

Here's mine...

1. Itachi said that Madara Attached Konoha 16 years Ago but Tobi (aka Madara) denied the allegation to sasuke... what'd motivate Madara to lie about that if he could admit that he helped itachi annihilate the Uchiha clan. What if Tobi wasn't lying? He did not deny joining itachi. He denied attacking the village with the KYUBI 16 years ago. That was a major role in winning sasuke over, he most definitely needed to lie there.

2. Tobi as we see him now looked pretty old and his body didn't look that "fresh" (before the rennigan collection at least)
But when we watch him in Manga 500 when he takes baby naruto in his hands, all of his two arms were exposed and they looked so fresh and young (16 years couldn't incur such wrinkles can it?)He has this in the current time period as well. When you see his arms it doesn't have wrinkles, but not a lot is shown. No difference from then and now in terms of wrinkles.

3. The Tobi that attacked the village 16 yrs ago has an impatient personality unlike Current Tobi who seems to have all the time in the world and more thoughtfulness.Nah, he was trying to take the kyubbi right there and then, of course he would be more impatient.

I guess my question is, has something changed, are they really the same people. If they arent, then all our efforts of theories trying to figure him out will never pass.I don't see them not being the same person.

In Bold

[EvL j3st3r]

^ also,the most obvious thing is the fact that "past Tobi" used the same style and techniques as "current Tobi". His T/S techniques surpass even Minato and apparently Tobirama's. His style and technique are extremely rare to the story (him being the only character we've seen use it). That alone tells me that they are most likely the same person.

[Jakropha]

I may have lost some credibility since I was gone, and I'll say this once again.

TOBI IS A RELIGIOUS CULT LEAD BY THE POPE HIMSELF ON A CRUSADE TO LIBERATE JAPAN FROM THE DEMON KNOWN AS BUDDHA!!!

Or so im told... >.>

[zerosameri]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I'll just start by saying in case anyone finds an inconsistency other than these, post here and let's edo tensei a new theory...

Here's mine...

1. Itachi said that Madara Attached Konoha 16 years Ago but Tobi (aka Madara) denied the allegation to sasuke... what'd motivate Madara to lie about that if he could admit that he helped itachi annihilate the Uchiha clan. What if Tobi wasn't lying? He was lying so he could get Sasuke.

2. Tobi as we see him now looked pretty old and his body didn't look that "fresh" (before the rennigan collection at least)
But when we watch him in Manga 500 when he takes baby naruto in his hands, all of his two arms were exposed and they looked so fresh and young (16 years couldn't incur such wrinkles can it?) Thats because that was now and that was then. And you do have to realize Madara/Tobi has been alive sense the Leaf has been found plus an extra years before that.

3. The Tobi that attacked the village 16 yrs ago has an impatient personality unlike Current Tobi who seems to have all the time in the world and more thoughtfulness. If I was said to be dead, widely famous, hated among his own clan along with everyone else, with a world take over plan, I'll make a allies and change my personality temporally too.

I guess my question is, has something changed, are they really the same people. If they arent, then all our efforts of theories trying to figure him out will never pass.

green.

[deidara330]

He's the same person, but of course something huge has changed. He got a new mask.

Seriously, though. I suspect that Madara's transition between masks symbolizes something. What might that be? Well, I believe that it symbolizes him gaining a new Path. He called Nagato the Third of the Six Paths and said Hashirama and himself were Paths as well. The transition between his second mask and his third came with the addition of the Third Path's powers to his own, so I believe he changes masks with the addition of each Path. That would mean that either between then and now is when he implanted Hashirama's DNA or he obtained yet another Path during that time.

[zerosameri]

Originally Posted by deidara330

He's the same person, but of course something huge has changed. He got a new mask.

Seriously, though. I suspect that Madara's transition between masks symbolizes something. What might that be? Well, I believe that it symbolizes him gaining a new Path. He called Nagato the Third of the Six Paths and said Hashirama and himself were Paths as well. The transition between his second mask and his third came with the addition of the Third Path's powers to his own, so I believe he changes masks with the addition of each Path. That would mean that either between then and now is when he implanted Hashirama's DNA or he obtained yet another Path during that time.

I was thinking it was a power thing. I mean every time he changed it, he gain a new power.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Killer Bee

This is why I honestly think that the current Tobi is an Edo Tensei himself or something along those lines..maybe even a clone? The dramatic change in not only appearance but attitude as well hints that he is definitly not the Tobi who instigated the attack on konoha 16 years ago.

Hmm... in that case, how'd u explain J3st3rs statement of the same unique jutsu that Tobi and the then 16yrs ago "Tobi" have in common... I'd like to agree but the evidences dont allow me.

Nah, he was trying to take the kyubbi right there and then, of course he would be more impatient

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so I believe he changes masks with the addition of each Path. That would mean that either between then and now is when he implanted Hashirama's DNA or he obtained yet another Path during that time.

very interesting.... but i think his second mask was broken by Konan, which would make sense that Nagato perhaps broke the first one... Because Deva pain made a crucial sentence to Kakashi, when he realized kakashi had kamuied the nail projectile... he said "he too, got away with that dojutsu" as if he'd fought someone with similar dojutsu...

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

very interesting.... but i think his second mask was broken by Konan, which would make sense that Nagato perhaps broke the first one... Because Deva pain made a crucial sentence to Kakashi, when he realized kakashi had kamuied the nail projectile... he said "he too, got away with that dojutsu" as if he'd fought someone with similar dojutsu...

In the Viz Media version, he says "He must have used that ocular jutsu to divert that attack, too." Then a flashback panel shows Pain throwing the nail. It more indicates that Kakashi successfully used the dojutsu an additional time, rather than an additional person successfully using the dojutsu.