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Old 03-16-2011, 05:51 PM   #41
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also you can't really compare how naruto did vs. Pain to how Jaraiya did against that same opponent. Why? A big part of the reason Naruto faired so well is thanks to the information Jaraiya gathered in his battle. And then it took the brightest minds in the village to decipher that knowledge, and he had Pa toad on his back giving information (also from Jaraiya's battle). So really Naruto had a big leg up going into his fight. Jaraiya knew only that Pain had Rinnegan, other than that he was completely ignorant of his enemies power. He didn't have near the information resources that Naruto did and Naruto only had those info resources bc Jaraiya sacrificed himself by fighting Pain first with no knowledge of him. It's not a fair comparison.

Actually, if you want to be fair about it....no one person beat Pain. It was Jaraiya, Naruto, and the leaf village that defeated him. Nagato has no equal currently (except maybe Madara)



I don't think saying "Pain/Nagato took orders from Madara" is a fair way to describe that situation. I think of it more along these lines...........
In other words, Nagato did only the things neccessary for his cause not Madara's. Madara was just good at manipulating him into thinking certain things WERE good for his (Nagato's) cause.
Actually yes I can.

First on the whole "He had intelligence advantage". Sorta but not really.
First Jirayia sent him a coded message which Naruto himself was the key
into figuring out. Later even though Inochi figured out the meaning
behind the uncoded message he didn't relay the meaning to Naruto.
Naruto figured out the meaning of the message on his own and found
Nagato using Sage Mode tracking. Sure Naruto did have somewhat
of an intelligence advantage but it evens out when considering that
Jirayia has more battle experience and could actually merge with
Fugasaku which would have made gathering nature energy easier.

And really it's Jirayia's own fault he didn't have enough intelligence.
He was in over his head and got beat. Naruto however was attacked
by Pain and prevailed. But yes Jirayia's sacrifice did somewhat help
Naruto. But nearly as much as people make it to be. Naruto still
had to defeat Five Pains before figuring out about Nagato. Had
Jirayia made the uncoded message clearer Naruto and Konoha
would have figured it out sooner and taken out Nagato from the start.

Naruto defeated the Six paths of Pain. Jirayia was only really helpful
(somewhat) in finding Nagato which wasn't going to help Naruto beat
Nagato. Naruto used talk no jutsu to make Nagato have a change of heart.

Madara is not Pain's equal. Madara is better than Pain and that's why
Pain bothered to do his dirty work. Pain is just Sasuke Beta Version.
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also you can't really compare how naruto did vs. Pain to how Jaraiya did against that same opponent. Why? A big part of the reason Naruto faired so well is thanks to the information Jaraiya gathered in his battle. And then it took the brightest minds in the village to decipher that knowledge, and he had Pa toad on his back giving information (also from Jaraiya's battle). So really Naruto had a big leg up going into his fight. Jaraiya knew only that Pain had Rinnegan, other than that he was completely ignorant of his enemies power. He didn't have near the information resources that Naruto did and Naruto only had those info resources bc Jaraiya sacrificed himself by fighting Pain first with no knowledge of him. It's not a fair comparison.

Actually, if you want to be fair about it....no one person beat Pain. It was Jaraiya, Naruto, and the leaf village that defeated him. Nagato has no equal currently (except maybe Madara)



I don't think saying "Pain/Nagato took orders from Madara" is a fair way to describe that situation. I think of it more along these lines...........
In other words, Nagato did only the things neccessary for his cause not Madara's. Madara was just good at manipulating him into thinking certain things WERE good for his (Nagato's) cause.
That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.
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That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.
I think that's debatable considering that Nagato has all the powers
of the six paths. Also given that Nagato revived the entire village
he had chakra left over to fight Naruto if he wanted.

Still I think Naruto would win anyways.
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That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.
I think you're missing the main point of my post. If Naruto had fought the first battle with Pain instead of Jaraiya and lacked all the same information that Jaraiya lacked......I don't think that Naruto (at that time) could have fared any better against Pain than Jaraiya did. Likewise, if Jaraiya had that info he probably could have done just as well against Pain as Naruto did (if not better). So I'm saying you can't compare the two fights and say that Naruto > Jaraiya at that time (which is what was insinuated to me) because there's a huge variable there. It's an unfair comparison.

And as far as the whole Asuma thing goes....he did have a part in Hidan's defeat but no I don't credit him for the win. He just fell in the line of duty and Shikamaru learned by observation. So that secret being exposed was kind of a fluke. It's different. Jaraiya knew he would die when he met Pain. His intention was to sacrifice his life to gain information on Pain that the leaf could use to bring him down. It was a planned step in the process of Pain's defeat. If he hadn't done that. There would have been no victory. In my opinion, that's part of the battle against Pain.
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And really it's Jirayia's own fault he didn't have enough intelligence.
He was in over his head and got beat. .
wow...first time i heard someone say something like that. lol, do u have anything against jiraiya?
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I know what you meant, and her 'bang' sucked.
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