Forgotten military powers

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Originally Posted by puppetmasterpossession

Rankings

nuff' said

Last sentence.

It is hardly a super-accurate scientific measurement of military strengths but still entertaining to consider at the very least.

Professional's opinions don't mean crap.

[TheBlackChidori]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

Actually you are wrong. The JAS 39 is impossible to shoot down even if you launch a million missiles against it. Missile trackers cannot see it, and a machine gun is never to be used in air-to-air combat. So, the JAS 39 - or any other plane with ECM equipment - is basically undefeatable.

Ever heard the term Heat-Seeking?

/hides from the assassins again

[HeavenShocking LunarFang7]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

Well, I did plan on writing a thread about the Axis, including Fascist Italy.

All my statements are true. Anyone who denies it are either a nationalist/racist or just an idiot.

For Egypt: Do not underestimate desert warfare. Fighting in your home territory is a skill that few so-called "powerful" nations has.

For India: The Gurkha are the best warriors in the world for unarmed combat = proven fact during a military contest in 2006.

For Japan: Japanese people follows a faith of extreme nationalism and anyone would be willing to die for their country. Japan would be impossible to occupy, because every single citizen would rebel immediately. Also, you are wrong in the armor section. The Japanese Type 90 is the best in the world = proven statement on 4 documentaries and 2 military magazines.

For Sweden: All facts were proven, so if you try to deny anything of them it just proves that you have little education in this matter.

Little education!? I'm a mother trucker LtCol. in the US Marine Corps. I've been in and out of Iraq more than four times, and I have a trunk full of Medal's that I bet you didn't even know existed. Plus I'm one of the commanding officers of the Marines, since Operation Iraqi Freedom! So if you wanna say that I'm not "educated" in warfare, than you are strongly mistaken.

Oh, and another thing: I've been to Japan, Sweden, and Egypt, working with their Armed Forces. I TRAINED HUNDRED OF INDIAN'S IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT. I'VE WORKED WITH JAPAN NAVAL FORCES. I'VE ACTUALLY TRAINED EGYPTIAN'S FOR DESERT WARFARE! AND IT TOOK THEM TWICE AS LONG TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, AND WORK THE MATERIAL CORRECTLY AS IT DID FOR MY MARINES! So I'm pretty damn sure that I'm well "educated"

I don't even care if I an infraction for this. I got that off my chest.

[Kreegah!!!]

Originally Posted by Wooster

It is not impossible; it is just stupid with a dollop of evil.

Can't. Admit... Error....





Evil is impossible!!!!!!!!

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Ever heard the term Heat-Seeking?

/hides from the assassins again

Won't work either, the ECM shockwaves will make the JAS invisible to the tracking system of any missile launcher as well. Meaning, no type of otherwise homing weapons are effective. You'd have to gun it down, possibly, but it is also superior in air-to-air fighting so it would be difficult.

Originally Posted by HeavenShocking LunarFang7

Little education!? I'm a mother ******* LtCol. in the US Marine Corps. I've been in and out of Iraq more than four times, and I have a trunk full of Medal's that I bet you didn't even know existed. Plus I'm one of the commanding officers of the Marines, since Operation Iraqi Freedom! So if you wanna say that I'm not "educated" in warfare, than you are strongly mistaken.

Oh, and another thing: I've been to Japan, Sweden, and Egypt, working with their Armed Forces. I TRAINED HUNDRED OF INDIAN'S IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT. I'VE WORKED WITH JAPAN NAVAL FORCES. I'VE ACTUALLY TRAINED EGYPTIAN'S FOR DESERT WARFARE! AND IT TOOK THEM TWICE AS LONG TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, AND WORK THE MATERIAL CORRECTLY AS IT DID FOR MY MARINES! So I'm pretty damn sure that I'm well "educated"

I don't even care if I an infraction for this. I got that off my chest.

So, you admit leading a group of murderers and rapists attacking a defenseless country in the middle east, only to steal their oil for your anarchist government?
You are VERY UNEDUCATED if you believe that USA has done a single good thing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Germany or any other country whatsoever.

[Chidori of Death]

......................
NOTHING is invincible.
The US isn't.
Japan isn't.
Sweden isn't.
Russia isn't.
And no weapon/defence system is completely Invincible.
Everything has a flaw/weakness.
Just putting it out there. >.> <.<

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

Won't work either, the ECM shockwaves will make the JAS invisible to the tracking system of any missile launcher as well. Meaning, no type of otherwise homing weapons are effective. You'd have to gun it down, possibly, but it is also superior in air-to-air fighting so it would be difficult.

So, you admit leading a group of murderers and rapists attacking a defenseless country in the middle east, only to steal their oil for your anarchist government?
You are VERY UNEDUCATED if you believe that USA has done a single good thing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Germany or any other country whatsoever.

You are VERY UNEDUCATED

All that needs to be said.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

You are VERY UNEDUCATED if you believe that USA has done a single good thing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Germany or any other country whatsoever.

Because the Allies so ruined Germany by invading it?

Lol if you believe it was a bad thing to stop Hitler.

Yep trying to stop the Man who is responsible for the Deaths of Millions is terrible.

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Because the Allies so ruined Germany by invading it?

Lol if you believe it was a bad thing to stop Hitler.

Yep trying to stop the Man who is responsible for the Deaths of Millions is terrible.

It was Americas fault that those 6 000 000 Jews were killed. Hitler was America's fault.

In 1918, at the end of WWI, the Allies - led by USA - forced Germany into a peace deal that made them a weak and poor nation. In order to gain better stability they elected the only one that would be able to make them rich again: Adolf Hitler. He gave work to the people, rebuilt roads and farms, industrialized the countryside, and eventually came with the idea to unite the Anglo-Saxon people as one single country.

So if you say Germany were the evil during WWII, think first of who created that evil: USA, the so-called "heroes". They are even worse than Hitler.

[Vermillian]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

It was Americas fault that those 6 000 000 Jews were killed. Hitler was America's fault.

In 1918, at the end of WWI, the Allies - led by USA - forced Germany into a peace deal that made them a weak and poor nation. In order to gain better stability they elected the only one that would be able to make them rich again: Adolf Hitler. He gave work to the people, rebuilt roads and farms, industrialized the countryside, and eventually came with the idea to unite the Anglo-Saxon people as one single country.

So if you say Germany were the evil during WWII, think first of who created that evil: USA, the so-called "heroes". They are even worse than Hitler.

fun fact in ww1 germany resorted to killing us civilians which gave the us no choice but to join in the war

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

It was Americas fault that those 6 000 000 Jews were killed. Hitler was America's fault.

Actually I'm pretty sure that would be Hitler's fault.

In 1918, at the end of WWI, the Allies - led by USA - forced Germany into a peace deal that made them a weak and poor nation.

Welcome to the realities of war. You lose, you pay. Let's not forget
that Germany was the aggressor. They attacked neutral Belgium
which got their ally Britain involved. Also Germany U Boats attacked the Lusitania which is one reason the U.S got involved. Long story short
Germany lost.

In order to gain better stability they elected the only one that would be able to make them rich again: Adolf Hitler. He gave work to the people, rebuilt roads and farms, industrialized the countryside, and eventually came with the idea to unite the Anglo-Saxon people as one single country.

Of course Hitler did this by invading other countries like Poland.
World War 1 should have made it clear to Germany that is a no no.
But they did it anyways and ended up paying the price. Again.


So if you say Germany were the evil during WWII, think first of who created that evil: USA, the so-called "heroes". They are even worse than Hitler.

The U.S beat Germany in WW1 (and WW2). A poor economy is what happens when you lose a war. Don't like it? Don't start nothing. Ain't
gonna be nothing. Hitler was not America's creation. Hitler was his
own and to a certain extent Germany's creation. Germany was the
one who gave Hitler power, and Hitler was the one who took power.


If any country is evil I'm much more inclined to say it would be Sweden.
Why? Because they're always neutral. America fought against Germany
and saved many Jews and others from a terrible fate. What did Sweden
do to help? Pretty much nothing. That isn't to say that there weren't
Swiss people who helped. But as government they basically did zilch.

If anything the only "evil" the U.S did in World War 2 was not getting involved sooner. But the same could be said for the allies. Germany
should have been dealt with as soon as they invaded Poland.

response in red

just for the record I don't actually think Sweden is evil. They didn't get involved because they knew they wouldn't stand a chance. But the "America is Evil" bandwagon is just a bunch of trash.
Does that make America perfect? Of course not. There are plenty problems with my country
but it's far from evil. At least so far.

[Vermillian]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

It was Americas fault that those 6 000 000 Jews were killed. Hitler was America's fault.

In 1918, at the end of WWI, the Allies - led by USA - forced Germany into a peace deal that made them a weak and poor nation. In order to gain better stability they elected the only one that would be able to make them rich again: Adolf Hitler. He gave work to the people, rebuilt roads and farms, industrialized the countryside, and eventually came with the idea to unite the Anglo-Saxon people as one single country.

So if you say Germany were the evil during WWII, think first of who created that evil: USA, the so-called "heroes". They are even worse than Hitler.

PS thats what happens when you go to war and another fun fact germany was the first non austrian, or hungarian country to declare war.Yet another fun fact if germany did no get involved it most likely would not have become a world war. YET ANOTHER FUN FACT you know nothing of history kid leave sweden and get a real education

[Vermillian]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

response in red

just for the record i don't actually think sweden is evil. They didn't get involved because they knew they wouldn't stand a chance. But the "america is evil" bandwagon is just a bunch of trash.
Does that make america perfect? Of course not. There are plenty problems with my country
but it's far from evil. At least so far.

tag team fatality

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by Vermillian

fun fact in ww1 germany resorted to killing us civilians which gave the us no choice but to join in the war

USA killed more civilians than Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan together.

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

response in red

1. Hitler would never have risen to power if America hadn't entered WWI.
2. It was an unfair deal.
3. Germany had the vision of a united Europe, but USA did not want to see this happen because that would make Europe a threat against US power.
4. Germany did not start any war against USA. USA were the aggressors of WWI.
5. Sweden did nothing? Tell that to five million Fins that were saved by the Swedish Army! If Sweden had not got involved in the war, Finland would even today be a part of Russia. Don't come here with your uneducated foolishness and say that Sweden did nothing, because we saved an entire nation from utter destruction and sacrificed thousands of our own men for another's sake.
6. USA did nothing to save Poland! The Polish begged for the Allies to help in 1939, but what did that help? Britain and France decided to divide Poland by half, one side owned by Germany and the other by Russia. The Polish were among the true heroes of WWII, because they resisted and fended off the aggressors with their own hands.

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by Vermillian

PS thats what happens when you go to war and another fun fact germany was the first non austrian, or hungarian country to declare war.Yet another fun fact if germany did no get involved it most likely would not have become a world war. YET ANOTHER FUN FACT you know nothing of history kid leave sweden and get a real education

I know much better history than you, that's for sure. Swedish education is far better than that in USA. In fact, USA has no education at all. They don't learn anything from the world outside their own borders.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

It was Americas fault that those 6 000 000 Jews were killed. Hitler was America's fault.

In 1918, at the end of WWI, the Allies - led by USA - forced Germany into a peace deal that made them a weak and poor nation. In order to gain better stability they elected the only one that would be able to make them rich again: Adolf Hitler. He gave work to the people, rebuilt roads and farms, industrialized the countryside, and eventually came with the idea to unite the Anglo-Saxon people as one single country.

So if you say Germany were the evil during WWII, think first of who created that evil: USA, the so-called "heroes". They are even worse than Hitler.

Who were the Allies? Oh yes, that's right, Europe. Indeed it was a bad idea, but it wasn't America's anymore than going along with. ALl the other European countries selfish too pieces of Germany. However, the biggest problem was the setting of the ratios of England, US, and Japanese naval levels. I believe it was 5:2:2. This severely hampered Britain's ability to project power as the US was a massive super power yet. Thus, Japan and Germany were able to grow to strong. Ask the Koreans and Chinese about this.

Hitler was a massively deluded egomaniac that liked to kill people.
Secondly, unintended consequences do make other countries evil. Just because Germany's economy was in the crapper doesn't give it the right to kill Jews and others. Hitler was evil plain and simple.

I am glad you are admitting you are a Holocaust denier.

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

USA killed more civilians than Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan together.

1. Hitler would never have risen to power if America hadn't entered WWI.
2. It was an unfair deal.
3. Germany had the vision of a united Europe, but USA did not want to see this happen because that would make Europe a threat against US power.
4. Germany did not start any war against USA. USA were the aggressors of WWI.
5. Sweden did nothing? Tell that to five million Fins that were saved by the Swedish Army! If Sweden had not got involved in the war, Finland would even today be a part of Russia. Don't come here with your uneducated foolishness and say that Sweden did nothing, because we saved an entire nation from utter destruction and sacrificed thousands of our own men for another's sake.
6. USA did nothing to save Poland! The Polish begged for the Allies to help in 1939, but what did that help? Britain and France decided to divide Poland by half, one side owned by Germany and the other by Russia. The Polish were among the true heroes of WWII, because they resisted and fended off the aggressors with their own hands.

Sweden also allowed the Wehrmacht access to its rail system to transport troops from Norway to Finalnd. Good job Sweden. -_-

[Ninja of Cao]

This discussion is now officially at end for the following reasons:

1. It is off-topic. The topic is four nations that are powerful, not WWII history.
2. People are being nationalistic/patriotic/racistic or just uneducated.
3. I am tired of listening to it all.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

This discussion is now officially at end for the following reasons:

1. It is off-topic. The topic is four nations that are powerful, not WWII history.
2. People are being nationalistic/patriotic/racistic or just uneducated.
3. I am tired of listening to it all.

Jawohl mein fuhrer, locked it shall be.

*click*

[<Aurega?>]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao

This discussion is now officially at end for the following reasons:

1. It is off-topic. The topic is four nations that are powerful, not WWII history.
2. People are being nationalistic/patriotic/racistic or just uneducated.
3. I am tired of listening to it all.

The four nations are NOT powerful, and you are completely bullshitting all the "facts". Countries like the US, China, Russia, France, England etc have superior capabilities in certainly all areas.

The only uneducated person here is you, as you claim certain technologies do things that are impossible today, but can't back up your claims with hard facts. One example is how ECM doesn't work against heat seeking missiles - to counter them you deploy flares that are hotter than the aircraft engine. There is simply no way to prevent an aircraft engine from giving out heat, or even hide it. Another example is when you said the F-22 is inferior "because your uncle said it", even though the F-22 have a superior mass-to-thrust ratio (1.08-1.26 to the JAS Gripen's 0.97)

All of your responses are either your own opinion, or things you were "told". You try to argue things you have no idea about, and when you're caught at it, you evade it by saying things in the line of: "My father knows more than you".

If you want people to take you seriously, you should first do some research and then confirm it from other sources. And not basing any argument on "top secret" technologies that you "somehow" knew about while everyone else doesn't.