Sakura somewhat dodged World Order?

[Kuromaki]

I wonder why Chiyo needed to pull Sakura away from the spikes when they were first being formed.

In any case, it still scratched her, and that's all that matters when it comes to the poison.

[The 1st Hokage]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

So you would argue that, for instance, Naruto > Neji during the Chunin Exams without Gamabunta?

Could? yes. Would? No.

I was simply saying that it's been a while since I've seen anybody talking about PnJ in the BG.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Naruto got his ass beat, and connected like one hit the whole match. Still, he won against someone who was clearly superior to him in every way.

That is plot no jutsu. This isn't.



Sakura dodging most of an attack that should have crushed her is a feat, whether it was seen or not. Let me give you a for instance.

If we're reading the Gaara Vs. Rock Lee fight, and we go from a panel that shows Gaara forming his sand about to smash Rock Lee, to a panel showing Lee standing up, hurt but scraped up from the sand.

It's safe to assume he dodged or tanked the brunt of it.

Not really. Chiyo could've easily pulled her out of the way more. Also people that argue "world order doesn't have gaps" then how did she dodge into one?

[Lady Tsunade]

Chiyos arm was crushed, she couldn't help Sakura anymore.

Also, pointing the finger at plot? Sasori was an S Rank ninja, he wiped out an entire nation with his puppet army, he beat what was thought of as the strongest kazekage, and his Iron Sand which covered a massive range ' just missed ' Sakura, inexperienced and useless prior to that fight, who was standing still? Pretty silly claim. I don't really care if these aren't on panel feats, because they're still canon points, and perfectly legitimate.

Saying Sakura didn't dodge because it was off panel as a sole reason isn't really good enough, on this occasion - we can assume. There's enough points to suggest such a thing. I should also note Sakura is continually suggested to have good evasive abilities througout the match. And what her current limit is? I don't know. But at this point in the manga, she was able to dodge major damage inflicted to her by Iron Sand even in such an enclosed space with limited movement. Nothing asides the silly theory of ' not shown = not doable ' which doesn't work here, proves otherwise.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Chiyos arm was crushed, she couldn't help Sakura anymore.

Also, pointing the finger at plot? Sasori was an S Rank ninja, he wiped out an entire nation with his puppet army, he beat what was thought of as the strongest kazekage, and his Iron Sand which covered a massive range ' just missed ' Sakura, inexperienced and useless prior to that fight, who was standing still? Pretty silly claim. I don't really care if these aren't on panel feats, because they're still canon points, and perfectly legitimate.

Saying Sakura didn't dodge because it was off panel as a sole reason isn't really good enough, on this occasion - we can assume. There's enough points to suggest such a thing. I should also note Sakura is continually suggested to have good evasive abilities througout the match. And what her current limit is? I don't know. But at this point in the manga, she was able to dodge major damage inflicted to her by Iron Sand even in such an enclosed space with limited movement. Nothing asides the silly theory of ' not shown = not doable ' which doesn't work here, proves otherwise.

Konohamaru is a genin and he beat one of the paths of Pain who is the leader of the Akatsuki. That is much more unbelievable than an attack missing.

Also what about Chiyo's other arm?

[Lady Tsunade]

Not really, considering that specific path had no hype, no particulary good feats and was noted to be the weakest of the six. Being tricked by a very basic method and later beaten by an almost fodder Genin is more of an example of how much Naraka sucked rather than how great Konohamaru was.

Chiyo looks to be almost unconscious, her eyes seem closed while she's on the ground. It takes her a while to see that the attack has even landed, there was no way she was doing anything.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Not really, considering that specific path had no hype, no particulary good feats and was noted to be the weakest of the six. Being tricked by a very basic method and later beaten by an almost fodder Genin is more of an example of how much Naraka sucked rather than how great Konohamaru was.

No hype except being an S rank ninja that helped take Jiraiya down and killed various other chunin and jonin.

[Lady Tsunade]

No no no, that was Nagato. His abilities were much different to Narakas, Naraka itself was a tool to Nagato, in which he controlled. Naraka never helped Jiraiya accomplish anything, or defeat anyone worthwhile. Rank, even by hype, doesn't necessarily mean one is particulary skilled at combat, look at Ino.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

No no no, that was Nagato. His abilities were much different to Narakas, Naraka itself was a tool to Nagoto, in which he controlled. Naraka never helped Jiraiya accomplish anything, or defeat anyone.

Yes he did he killed various Jonin.

Also Sasori is the worst victim of plot he got TALKED into dying TALKED.

[Lady Tsunade]

I edited. Re read.

And? Sasori being involved in plot to allow himself to be killed doesn't really prove anything regarding this debate. I should also add Sasori had used everything in his arsenal already, Sakura had enough energy to carry herself and Chiyo out to Gaara, who was considerable distance away. And Sasori was never exactly skilled at CQC, adding on the fact Chiyo still was able to use her reviving technique, I doubt Sasori would've won anyway.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

I edited. Re read.

And? Sasori being involved in plot to allow himself to be killed doesn't really prove anything regarding this debate. I should also add Sasori had used everything in his arsenal already, Sakura had enough energy to carry herself and Chiyo out to Gaara, who was considerable distance away. And Sasori was never exactly skilled at CQC, adding on the fact Chiyo still was able to use her reviving technique, I doubt Sasori would've won anyway.

Yes he would've he was about to kill them both till he let the puppets kill him.

She also appears to be in the same spot Chiyo pulled her too, and since the view isn't good you can;t prove that she moved at all. She also didn't dodge it she got gashed in many places, she just didn't get impaled.

[Lady Tsunade]

With what? I don't recall.

Who? Sakura? Again, assuming she didn't move because it was off panel is stupid. Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but the fact Sakura came out with only a few scratches when the. Jutsu levelled out a section of the ceiling is an impressive feat. And saying Sasori just missed impaling her despite his previous successes and her standing still prior to the attack, is again, stupid.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

With what? I don't recall.

Who? Sakura? Again, assuming she didn't move because it was off panel is stupid. Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but the fact Sakura came out with only a few scratches when the. Jutsu levelled out a section of the ceiling is an impressive feat. And saying Sasori just missed impaling her despite his previous successes and her standing still prior to the attack, is again, stupid.

Saying Sakura has Transonic near Supersonic reaction speeds is more stupid tbh.

I'm not saying she didn't move cause it's off panel I'm saying she didn't move cause it appears she is in the same spot as she was after Chiyo pulled her.

[Lady Tsunade]

Where did you get that random quantity from? Iron Sand is no where near that.

Oh I see, slow xD But meh, the whole cave looks the same, there's fallen rocks and rubble everywhere. That was before the attack landed of course lol

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Where did you get that random quantity from? Iron Sand is no where near that.

Oh I see, slow xD But meh, the whole cave looks the same, there's fallen rocks and rubble everywhere. That was before the attack landed of course lol

Iron Sand World order is.

which is why it's hard to prove anything.

[Lady Tsunade]

Isn't Kakashi transonic? If anything Sakura did, it was see and follow World orders movement. Transonic is faster than the eye can see, Sakura can't react to Kakashi, or even see him as he moves, there's absolutely no way World Orders that speed.

It's hard to prove she dodged because it was off panel. I don't understand why where she was standing after being pulled back by Chiyo affects anything. Chiyo was unconscious after the second attack, or at least incapable of doing anything. Explain please.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Isn't Kakashi transonic? If anything Sakura did, it was see and follow World orders movement. Transonic is faster than the eye can see, Sakura can't react to Kakashi, or even see him as he moves, there's absolutely no way World Orders that speed.

It's hard to prove she dodged because it was off panel. I don't understand why where she was standing after being pulled back by Chiyo affects anything. Chiyo was unconscious after the second attack, or at least incapable of doing anything. Explain please.

Sakura saw what he was doing, but when it expands it's his fastest attack easily.

It matters because there is nothing to prove she reacted after Chiyo pulled her. Sakura is also a main character, plot armor tends to be thick.

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by J-Sun Tasogare

Sakura saw what he was doing, but when it expands it's his fastest attack easily.

It matters because there is nothing to prove she reacted after Chiyo pulled her. Sakura is also a main character, plot armor tends to be thick.

And it being his fastest attack makes it transonic .. how exactly? Sasori uses overwhelming attacks to kill opponents, not necessarily fast ones.

Because it was off panel when the attack hit. Not because of where she was standing. But with what I've said already, I thought it should've been quite clear that it being off panel doesn't necessarily mean she didn't dodge the brunt of the attack. I realise you follow the " If they haven't shown it, they can't do it " theory, which doesn't work all the time, here for example. But Sasori just missing her is extreeeeemely unlikely, and I think bypassing this attack not hitting her anywhere vital as ' plot ' despite the circumstances is a little ignorant, and I should insist that this isn't the case.

Fingers are pointing at plot again, we're going in circles J Sun derulllllllo.

[Kuromaki]

MMM WHATCHA SAY

World Order does have gaps, and Sakura was in one of those gaps. that makes it possible she may have gotten lucky by not getting impaled, so yes plot. But the fact is, she couldn't do anything about it at first, why would she suddenly be able to dodge it mid attack.

[Lady Tsunade]

Actually the gap was in front of her, where she fell. The Iron Sand spikes that should've hit her were around her, and behind her. And like I said, pointing the finger at plot and saying the spikes ' just missed ' even though Sakura is credited by Chiyo for her exellent dodging, Sakura notes herself to be good at dodging, the fact that she is standing still when the attack comes at her, and the fact that Sasori who was able to take out entire nations with his puppets; is stupid. Imo.