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Old 01-05-2011, 11:17 AM   #21
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Gaara's stationary style of fighting will really hamper him in this fight considering all he possesses is his sand and the various moves he can produce with it. Granted, Sasuke, once he activates Susano'o, doesn't move very much either but like he said his defense is more absolute than Gaara's.

Gaara during the Kage Summit tried to harm Susano'o with his sand in a collaboration attack yet it did absolutely nothing. Once Susano'o comes into place Gaara has absolutely no move that can harm Sasuke.

Without Knowledge Sasuke could light Gaara with Amaterasu. Unlike last time Sasuke will make it appear directly on Gaara so his sand can't stop it from occurring. Even if Gaara blocks it, Sasuke can put the already used Amaterasy to use through Enton.

colorles proposed an interesting idea above me, but without his sand being automatic anymore Gaara will need to realize he's in a genjutsu for that to work. Sasuke can make it so that Gaara does not even realize he's in a genjutsu and a chidori would do just nice in finishing him off.

With the speed of the Susano'o arrows their piercing power should be quite high and should penetrate Gaara's sand after multiple tries at least.

The fact that Gaara is not in a desert also puts him at a disadvantage since he he a limited amount of sand to work with. With Sasuke's diverse variety of attacks he can't possibly hope that his sand will provide an adequate defense against his jutsu and if Kirin is brought to the equation (Although unecesssary) Gaara would be finished off for sure.
What if Gaara completely covers susanoo with sand and uses sand coffin+sand burial?

What if Gaara coats himself in sand before sasuke uses amaterasu?

And don't you think Gaara has knowledge of chidori now since the chunin exams?
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What if Gaara completely covers susanoo with sand and uses sand coffin+sand burial?
This is assuming that Sasuke actually let that happen, but will that attack even be strong enough to destroy Susano? After all, we seen that the attack can't kill everyone/everything.

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Any lighting attack will do.

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And don't you think Gaara has knowledge of chidori now since the chunin exams?
Having knowledge doesn't mean it's avoidable, after all, Sasuke is much superior to Gaara when it comes to hand to hand combat & speed, plus that isn't Sasuke's only lighting attack.
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This is assuming that Sasuke actually let that happen, but will that attack even be strong enough to destroy Susano? After all, we seen that the attack can't kill everyone/everything.


Any lighting attack will do.


Having knowledge doesn't mean it's avoidable, after all, Sasuke is much superior to Gaara when it comes to hand to hand combat & speed, plus that isn't Sasuke's only lighting attack.
What would sasuke do to not let that happen then? And maybe it won't destroy susanoo, but it would be harder for it to move.

I doubt that.

I don't think Gaara would get hit by the same attack over and over again, and how can sasuke hit gaara with other lightning attacks? Chidori sharp spear is less powerful than chidori, and sasuke would need to be close to gaara for chidori stream. As for kirin, Gaara could just do the same thing he did to block C3...

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He wouldn`t have time to block Kirin!!!
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He wouldn`t have time to block Kirin!!!
Then itachi wouldn't have had time to activate susanoo in time for kirin
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Kirin takes prep, which Sasuke isn't supplied with.
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Then itachi wouldn't have had time to activate susanoo in time for kirin
He activated it before!!!
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What would sasuke do to not let that happen then? And maybe it won't destroy susanoo, but it would be harder for it to move.
by not letting the sand get to him?
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I doubt that.
Sand Armor likely isn't as tough as a full on sand sphere is, and Pre Sasuke got through that with a normal Chidori. While Gaara's sand has gotten stronger, so have Sasuke's lightning techniques, and Gaara lost Shukaku too, which should count for something.
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I don't think Gaara would get hit by the same attack over and over again, and how can sasuke hit gaara with other lightning attacks? Chidori sharp spear is less powerful than chidori, and sasuke would need to be close to gaara for chidori stream. As for kirin, Gaara could just do the same thing he did to block C3...
Read above, and he also has Chidori Sword.

Gaara can't react to lightning and he had a whole desert's worth of sand to block C3, and in this case, he'll have to use his own.
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Itachi had plenty of time to prepare Susanoo while Sasuke was ranting about how unavoidable it was. and Itachi>Gaara
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by not letting the sand get to him?

Sand Armor likely isn't as tough as a full on sand sphere is, and Pre Sasuke got through that with a normal Chidori. While Gaara's sand has gotten stronger, so have Sasuke's lightning techniques, and Gaara lost Shukaku too, which should count for something.

Read above, and he also has Chidori Sword.

Gaara can't react to lightning and he had a whole desert's worth of sand to block C3, and in this case, he'll have to use his own.

Itachi had plenty of time to prepare Susanoo while Sasuke was ranting about how unavoidable it was. and Itachi>Gaara
lol how can he do that he always moves slowly while in susanoo and itachi does too

Gaara wouldn't get hit by that normal chidori over and over again. Now that Gaara has knowledge of it, he can just stop sasuke in his tracks.

If Itachi can activate his defense in time, then so can Gaara. The Chidori sword is a lot less powerful then the normal chidori.

While sasuke is ''ranting on how unavoidable it is'' for Gaara, he would have plenty of time to prepare his defense as well.
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hahaha you silly people just because the first debater said kirin now more people say kirin GG
ya kirin takes too much prep
YES SASUKE WINS THIS FIGHT
but if he tries to use kirin he'd need a good amount of prep which gaara won't let him have

however genjutsu, susanoo, ammy, better speed, etc will be key here

especially since gaara doesn't have a large amount of sand already at his disposal
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hahaha you silly people just because the first debater said kirin now more people say kirin GG
ya kirin takes too much prep
YES SASUKE WINS THIS FIGHT
but if he tries to use kirin he'd need a good amount of prep which gaara won't let him have

however genjutsu, susanoo, ammy, better speed, etc will be key here

especially since gaara doesn't have a large amount of sand already at his disposal
Okay I will admit, if gaara blocks sasuke's kirin with sand, they would both be out of chakra, resulting in a tie.

if sasuke uses genjutsu on gaara he can just bite his lip, break his finger with his sand, etc. to get out of the genjutsu and fool sasuke he would try to finish it with his sword but he'd just be covered in sand before he knows it

using ammy would be a deathwish. Sasuke would eventually just go blind. gaara blocks the flames with sand, problem solved.

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lol how can he do that he always moves slowly while in susanoo and itachi does too
Only because he was stationary most of the time. Both Sasuke and Itachi have shown mobility while using Susanoo. Besides, Sasuke knows what the sand can do, if a giant wave is coming towards him he's not gonna try to avoid it or ward it off?

Either that or he tries to tank it with Susanoo and Gaara's sand isn't strong enough to break Susanoo anyway.
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Gaara wouldn't get hit by that normal chidori over and over again. Now that Gaara has knowledge of it, he can just stop sasuke in his tracks.
And how can he do that when Sasuke is much faster than his sand is?

Sasuke only used Ammy to block his sand in the summit because he was weakened and yes Sasuke can use that too.
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They're both charged with Raiton chakra while Chidori Sword has a blade helping it. And Gaara has no knowledge on Sasuke's other Chidori attacks.
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Well Sasuke's not going to do that in a blood lusted fight. Of course he was bragging about it to Itachi because... well it's Itachi. The guy he was trying to kill.

So basically Sasuke cuts through any defense Gaara has and stabs him in the face. Not only that but if he manages to get close enough to use genjutsu, Gaara has no defense. And even if Gaara does know about his genjutsu he still gets Ammy'd over and over, because he hasn't shown the reaction speed to do much of anything about Ammy in close range.
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hahaha you silly people just because the first debater said kirin now more people say kirin GG
ya kirin takes too much prep
YES SASUKE WINS THIS FIGHT
but if he tries to use kirin he'd need a good amount of prep which gaara won't let him have

however genjutsu, susanoo, ammy, better speed, etc will be key here

especially since gaara doesn't have a large amount of sand already at his disposal
If Gaara tries to go airborne, Sasuke can just shoot fireballs up at him, not only attacking him but prepping Kirin too.

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lol...

By logic, wouldn't the extreme heats and the like cause his sand to go into glass?
Like how those people make things out of putting sand stuff over a fire and it turns into glass.
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well if it's hot enough. Ammy certainly isn't as Gaara's sand wasn't really harmed by it.
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well if it's hot enough. Ammy certainly isn't as Gaara's sand wasn't really harmed by it.
Ammy has always been debatable.
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Rather more inconsistent than debatable.
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Only because he was stationary most of the time. Both Sasuke and Itachi have shown mobility while using Susanoo. Besides, Sasuke knows what the sand can do, if a giant wave is coming towards him he's not gonna try to avoid it or ward it off?

Either that or he tries to tank it with Susanoo and Gaara's sand isn't strong enough to break Susanoo anyway.
And how can he do that when Sasuke is much faster than his sand is?

Sasuke only used Ammy to block his sand in the summit because he was weakened and yes Sasuke can use that too.
They're both charged with Raiton chakra while Chidori Sword has a blade helping it. And Gaara has no knowledge on Sasuke's other Chidori attacks.
Well Sasuke's not going to do that in a blood lusted fight. Of course he was bragging about it to Itachi because... well it's Itachi. The guy he was trying to kill.

So basically Sasuke cuts through any defense Gaara has and stabs him in the face. Not only that but if he manages to get close enough to use genjutsu, Gaara has no defense. And even if Gaara does know about his genjutsu he still gets Ammy'd over and over, because he hasn't shown the reaction speed to do much of anything about Ammy in close range.

If Gaara tries to go airborne, Sasuke can just shoot fireballs up at him, not only attacking him but prepping Kirin too.
That doesn't make sense. Sasuke would brag about it to itachi, So why not to Gaara? Everything Sasuke can do, Gaara can block with sand. Susanoo would barely help sasuke knowing that susanoo is slow. I don't see how he can avoid a big wave of sand with susanoo all over him. If sasuke uses genjutsu, all Gaara has to do is not look into his eyes. it's that simple. The sand would automatically block ammy, just like it always did. I don't think sasuke can dodge the sand and shoot fireballs at the same time. And even if sasuke does finish his prep, Gaara can just cover the thunderclouds with sand to prevent kirin from coming out.
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I believe that Sasuke or Gaara could win this fight if Sasuke closes the distance sasuke takes the win. If not Gaara does what he did to Kimimaro and sasuke has no way to survive making sasuke get crushed. Kirin is not going to be used in this fight it takes a full on storm to do and it just isn't going to happen. As I said either could win. I will give the fight to Gaara because he can turn the land into sand and crush Sasuke making him the winner. But Sasuke could possibly win.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:39 AM   #39
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What would sasuke do to not let that happen then? And maybe it won't destroy susanoo, but it would be harder for it to move.
You're talking about an attack that 12 year old Naruto & Kimimaro was able to defend against, I don't see why a much more powerful Susano wouldn't be able to. Also, don't forget where the location is, will Gaara even has enough sand to do the attack on Susano?

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I doubt that.
Sasuke went through Gaara's absolute defense with the Chidori in part 1, he'll be able to get through Gaara's normal defense.

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I don't think Gaara would get hit by the same attack over and over again, and how can sasuke hit gaara with other lightning attacks? Chidori sharp spear is less powerful than chidori, and sasuke would need to be close to gaara for chidori stream.
You're overrating how mobile Gaara is, Gaara's fighting ability is based on his sand, he isn't a mobile fighter like Naruto or Sasuke, Sasuke's chidori will go through Gaara's defense like it did in part 1, whether Gaara's knows the attack or not, Gaara's sand is naturally weak against lighting attacks

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As for kirin, Gaara could just do the same thing he did to block C3...
Sasuke wouldn't used Kirin in this fight, it isn't need, Gaara is strong, but he isn't Itachi. Still, Gaara was able to block the C3 based on how much sand he had access to, which he was in the Sand Village, he's surrounded by sand, that isn't the case for where this fight is located.

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Old 01-07-2011, 09:13 AM   #40
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Sasuke kept up with A in Lighting Cloak to some extent, even dodging his elbow just before the attack hit. This is a better speed feat than either Gaara or his sand (to my knowledge) has shown. Add that to the knowledge that Gaara's sand is weak to lightning (or at the very least can be broken through by Chidori) and Sasuke wins, especially with his various forms of Chidori (Chidori Eisou, specifically).

Plus, Gaara has zero feats at breaking out of genjutsu of any kind, much less high-level Sharingan genjutsu like Tsukuyomi, etc. I haven't read colorles's theory on Gaara's ability to break out of genjutsu, but I can guess the general idea and unless the sand has a mind of its own (which it doesn't anymore) then I can't see any way that it works. Even if Gaara knows he's in a genjutsu, the sand won't break him out of genjutsu because the sand isn't its own mass of chakra. It's just normal sand beyond him controlling it with his chakra. Even if he could control it while in the genjutsu, its still his own chakra, so we should still only use Gaara's genjutsu-breaking feats, which is none.

Amaterasu seems to do very little to Gaara's sand, as shown at the Kage Summit, but I'd argue that Amaterasu could form on Gaara himself before the sand forms around him so long as he's not expecting it, which he won't if it's zero knowledge and Sasuke uses it on him at the start of the battle, which would probably be exactly what he's going to do if he's bloodlusted.

And very little, if anything, has broken through Susano'o (I think A might be the only thing, if that.). I'm not sure that Gaara's sand could break through that. To my knowledge, its only crushing feats are against humans.

So, Sasuke takes this with little to mild difficulty.
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