Spoiler Chapter 521 Discussion

[Wind Style Naruto]

4-5 at most.

The first chapter of the fight will be setting up the match ups in the battle, seeing how Zabuza, Haku, and the others have become under Kabuto's control, see how Kitsuchi's and Mifune's division is doing against the Zetsus, and showing us what KKG Gari and Pakura knows.

Second chapter of the fight will be mainly focused on Kakashi VS Zabuza as well as some fodder ninja pwning. Teamwork and some new techniques possibly Lee and/or Guy using the Gates.

Third chapter is one of the bad guys go down. TnJ possibly some flashbacks. Bad guys pwning. Haku and Zabuza is defeated.

Fourth chapter Gari and Pakura goes down.

Thats just my thought of it but we wont see for another 2 weeks.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

He is spying and Kabuto and doesn't trust him that doesn't mean he has any clue about Kabuto's power. Madara thinks he knows all about Edo Tensei; he does not. Well Kabuto probably is really fighting against them anyway. He doesn't have a vendetta against the Shinobi world after all. He is causing this much havoc just trying to get close to Sasuke that is what is so impressive.

He fell for it in the sense that he thinks he can still use Kabuto and he is safe. Nothing cpould be further from the truth.

Wouldn't the same apply to Kabuto? Yeah he has something which makes Madara nervous, it doesn't mean he knows all about him or all his techniques. Let's add the fact that Kabuto's just mimicking Oro's powers and Oro was super weak against the Uchiha, my guess much more so against the Rinnegan.

He doesn't think he knows everything, hence why he asked. He still didn't completely buy Kabuto's explanations and he was watching him closely as he lied.

There's no need for a personal vendetta against the Shinobi Alliance in this case....it all comes back to personal greed. The same applies to Madara. Sasuke (even though I would rather not mention him) you could say would go into war saying it's a personal vendetta against the whole world... Kabuto and Madara not so much.

For now, let's agree that his "goal" is Sasuke... but from what I can tell it's more than him wanting revenge about Oro or whatever. He probable needs Sasuke to get something from the Sage. At this rate he probably also wants Naruto since he did tell him back then.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Madara most certainly does brag. For a recent example look at his fight against Konan.
I assume he is Madara just not the complete Madara

Ok so to humor you I actually went an re-read the entire fight. I can't see where he's being arrogant. He's giving facts that neither Konan or us knew...that he made Yahiko create Akatsuki and about the Rinnegan and all but aside from the there's only the ever present Uchiha warning about the opponent not underestimating the sharingan, nothing else.
oh ok...well in that case we both kind of agree.

Originally Posted by Wooster

He said his ideas were better than Sarutobi's. He had facts to back him up, such as Orochimaru, Sasuke etc.
I guess, but why not see Kiba instead of Kankuro.
They were released before when he was jabbering with Madara and controlling multiple zombies at once. Kabuto is now putting all his efforts into Zabuza. Kakashi is going to have a tough time. I just hope he won't die...again.

Yeah but all those facts...he could only calculate and say with him as the leader it wouldn't have happened but he didn't know did he? Any Hokage would have said the same thing if someone asked them whether they would let Konoha be harmed that way....

I don't get the Kiba comment...I like both so if there's a fight that includes them I don't mind.

He's putting all his efforts into Zabuza that's true but it was only after he got Anko and you can clearly see he's using her power. Yeah, I'm also hoping he won't die...I mean Konan died not too long ago.

Originally Posted by Wooster

All the Zetsus that are now stronger due to Kabuto caturing Yamato. Once again we see Kabuto's clever mind producing results. I won't be shocked if this somehow allows Kabuto turn the white Zetsus against Madara.
Madara recognizes old jutsu and he does not know how to do Edo Tensei that's why Kabuto had to show him. Plus, Kabuto keeps perfecting jutsu; he is better than Orochimaru or Tobirama.
You didn't just say Tobi likes face-to-face combat did you? Besides the fact he is hiding behind a mask Madara is the one that formed the Akastsuki for others would fight battles for him. Of course I think this make Madara better because that makes him like Kabuto and Danzo. Madara got his ass handed to him when he went face-to-face with 1st and Minato.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ended up under Kabuto's control as well..it all depends on where the story plot is going. Honestly considering he was supposed to be dead after fighting Hashirama, that Tobirama most probably created that jutsu after Madara was gone and even if he hadn't I honestly don't see Tobirama using that jutsu every day like a shadow clone jutsu so why the heck would Madara know about it? Also it really doesn't suit his style. He hasn't perfected it yet..he's still using Oro's powers for it...that's lame. lol ok I'll ignore the bit about Tobirama....I don't think Kabuto has surpassed him since I still don't fully believe he's even surpassed Oro at this point.
When did I say that? I was talking more about Oro and not specifically saying he always went for the face-to-face battles. I never mentioned Madara liked to fight that way....
Well now that he mentioned he only when to fight Hashirama to get his powers we can't say we know anything about that fight besides there's only like two or three panels of it. Minato would be a tough opponent for anyone, especially since like Madara said the winner is almost always the one who is able to see further ahead into the future. Minato was great at that...Hashirama we don't know. Madara clearly had trouble because he went against an opponent who fought the same way he did...add Itachi into that mixing and wouldn't it be amazing!?

Originally Posted by Wooster

Kabuto needs Orochimaru's power actually to make a jutsu stronger than any Orochimaru made. How does that make Kabuto weaker? Again he is using his intelligence to solve a problem that brute strenght can not.
Ture he does have the Rinnegan, but isn't there another one laying around? And doesn't your point that Kabuto needed Orochimaru's power apply just to same to Madara needing the Rinnegan's power? Just sayin.
He barely survived against Minato that was pretty pathetic not to mention Minato had to take care of the Kyuubi as well. Madara never fought Itachi. Itachi just concentrated on saving Sasuke and maybe giving something to Naruo which we have yet to see.
Again, creppy is much better than emo.

It's different in a way lol I mean let's put Naruto as an example. So he always uses that friggin' Rasengan that Minato created but you don't see him relying on Minato's power to do that right? Of course for any technique you don't create you're going to rely on the formula to get it right and then from there you add your own stuff but Kabuto is still using Oro's powers to even be able to do Edo Tensei. That's why Anko was important...that's just lame. Madara already has Uchiha blood and he's a descendant of the Sage, true he stole Nagato's Rinnegan but he did say he gave it to him in the first place....we don't know what that means as of now. But once the eye is his....I don't see him going around sucking Nagato's power to be able to use it or even having six extra bodies to use Nagato's attacks...

I know he never fought Itachi, but he was clearly weary of him. He knew how Itachi's mind worked....he probably didn't calculate that with Minato.

Fine!!! Keep your creepy tastes

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

Wouldn't the same apply to Kabuto? Yeah he has something which makes Madara nervous, it doesn't mean he knows all about him or all his techniques. Let's add the fact that Kabuto's just mimicking Oro's powers and Oro was super weak against the Uchiha, my guess much more so against the Rinnegan.

He doesn't think he knows everything, hence why he asked. He still didn't completely buy Kabuto's explanations and he was watching him closely as he lied.

Kabuto knows a lot. There was no reason he even should have known about Madara. I don't think Orochimaru did. Plus, Kabuto has his trump card that forced Madara to accept him. I think a fair analysis say Kabuto is in the drivers seat at the moment. Obviously, Madara will try to gain teh advantage. Madara does tend to overlook things. He wasn't concerned about Naruto at all until Naruto wipe the floor with Nagato.

There's no need for a personal vendetta against the Shinobi Alliance in this case....it all comes back to personal greed. The same applies to Madara. Sasuke (even though I would rather not mention him) you could say would go into war saying it's a personal vendetta against the whole world... Kabuto and Madara not so much.

For now, let's agree that his "goal" is Sasuke... but from what I can tell it's more than him wanting revenge about Oro or whatever. He probable needs Sasuke to get something from the Sage. At this rate he probably also wants Naruto since he did tell him back then.

Nahh, Madara is pissed at Konoha and the Uchiha. What do you think the massacre and the kyuubi attack were for. After he lost he is now aiming high. Kabuto's goals seem similar to Orochimaru's, find all the jutsu he can and perhaps cause a little chaos along the way. Wouldn't want life to be boring.

Ok so to humor you I actually went an re-read the entire fight. I can't see where he's being arrogant. He's giving facts that neither Konan or us knew...that he made Yahiko create Akatsuki and about the Rinnegan and all but aside from the there's only the ever present Uchiha warning about the opponent not underestimating the sharingan, nothing else.
oh ok...well in that case we both kind of agree.

Come one, he mocked Konan thinking she thought she could win at all. The Uchihas are such asses. >.>
Apparently.

Yeah but all those facts...he could only calculate and say with him as the leader it wouldn't have happened but he didn't know did he? Any Hokage would have said the same thing if someone asked them whether they would let Konoha be harmed that way....

I don't get the Kiba comment...I like both so if there's a fight that includes them I don't mind.

He's putting all his efforts into Zabuza that's true but it was only after he got Anko and you can clearly see he's using her power. Yeah, I'm also hoping he won't die...I mean Konan died not too long ago.

Because Danzo actually went after Sasuke and you can't tell me would have just let Orochimaru run away like Sarutobi did.

Of course, Kabuto is putting alot into Zabuza. It is much more impressive that anything Orochimaru ever did with Edo Tensei.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ended up under Kabuto's control as well..it all depends on where the story plot is going. Honestly considering he was supposed to be dead after fighting Hashirama, that Tobirama most probably created that jutsu after Madara was gone and even if he hadn't I honestly don't see Tobirama using that jutsu every day like a shadow clone jutsu so why the heck would Madara know about it? Also it really doesn't suit his style. He hasn't perfected it yet..he's still using Oro's powers for it...that's lame. lol ok I'll ignore the bit about Tobirama....I don't think Kabuto has surpassed him since I still don't fully believe he's even surpassed Oro at this point.
When did I say that? I was talking more about Oro and not specifically saying he always went for the face-to-face battles. I never mentioned Madara liked to fight that way....
Well now that he mentioned he only when to fight Hashirama to get his powers we can't say we know anything about that fight besides there's only like two or three panels of it. Minato would be a tough opponent for anyone, especially since like Madara said the winner is almost always the one who is able to see further ahead into the future. Minato was great at that...Hashirama we don't know. Madara clearly had trouble because he went against an opponent who fought the same way he did...add Itachi into that mixing and wouldn't it be amazing!?

That should be intersestin if it does. Madara will be in hot water. Tobirama invented for a reason; I am sure he didn't just do it to revive anybody. It probably invovles Madara and Hashirama somehow. Kabuto's Edo Tensei is much more impressive than Orochimaru's. Kabuto can give them free will; that is something Orochimaru could never do.

You can have your Itachi but then we need Danzo too.
You said Kabuto likes to hide in the buses. Madara does as well.
Regardless, Madara lost to both when he went up in direct battles.

It's different in a way lol I mean let's put Naruto as an example. So he always uses that friggin' Rasengan that Minato created but you don't see him relying on Minato's power to do that right? Of course for any technique you don't create you're going to rely on the formula to get it right and then from there you add your own stuff but Kabuto is still using Oro's powers to even be able to do Edo Tensei. That's why Anko was important...that's just lame. Madara already has Uchiha blood and he's a descendant of the Sage, true he stole Nagato's Rinnegan but he did say he gave it to him in the first place....we don't know what that means as of now. But once the eye is his....I don't see him going around sucking Nagato's power to be able to use it or even having six extra bodies to use Nagato's attacks...

Kabuto doesn't have massive chakra reserves so he uses others powers, yes. His strength lies in strategy and developing new and improved techniques.

I know he never fought Itachi, but he was clearly weary of him. He knew how Itachi's mind worked....he probably didn't calculate that with Minato.

Fine!!! Keep your creepy tastes

I will then. They are villains not snuggle bunnies after all.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Kabuto knows a lot. There was no reason he even should have known about Madara. I don't think Orochimaru did. Plus, Kabuto has his trump card that forced Madara to accept him. I think a fair analysis say Kabuto is in the drivers seat at the moment. Obviously, Madara will try to gain teh advantage. Madara does tend to overlook things. He wasn't concerned about Naruto at all until Naruto wipe the floor with Nagato.

He knows a lot yes but my point is that just as he's confident about his trump card so is Madara. Just like Madara doesn't know all about Kabuto the same can be said about Kabuto.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Nahh, Madara is pissed at Konoha and the Uchiha. What do you think the massacre and the kyuubi attack were for. After he lost he is now aiming high. Kabuto's goals seem similar to Orochimaru's, find all the jutsu he can and perhaps cause a little chaos along the way. Wouldn't want life to be boring.

The massacre was also convenient for a lot of people. Yes, he was pissed off because everyone pretty much chose Hashirama but I'm referring to his current Juubi plan. Right now neither Kabuto nor Madara seem to be after personal vendetta. Maybe if they get a chance to get revenge while putting their plan into motion.....

Originally Posted by Wooster

Come one, he mocked Konan thinking she thought she could win at all. The Uchihas are such asses. >.>
Apparently.

He mocked her mostly for being ignorant on the things she herself was protecting. They're all pretty much asses....I reserve judgement on Itachi though lol.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Because Danzo actually went after Sasuke and you can't tell me would have just let Orochimaru run away like Sarutobi did.

He went after Sasuke but for what reasons? the same can be said about Oro. Obviously Danzou would have never been weak enough emotionally to let Oro go just because he was a precious student of his...instead he would have come to an agreement so that Oro could give Danzou more power in exchange for him getting away

Originally Posted by Wooster

Of course, Kabuto is putting alot into Zabuza. It is much more impressive that anything Orochimaru ever did with Edo Tensei.

At the time it was pretty impressive IMO. Also, Oro wasn't really trying to show off to fool a certain someone..instead he was merely toying with Sarutobi. And why would he have needed Hashirama's and Tobirama's personalities in that fight?

Originally Posted by Wooster

That should be intersestin if it does. Madara will be in hot water. Tobirama invented for a reason; I am sure he didn't just do it to revive anybody. It probably invovles Madara and Hashirama somehow. Kabuto's Edo Tensei is much more impressive than Orochimaru's. Kabuto can give them free will; that is something Orochimaru could never do.

It would be interesting indeed. Yeah, well I'm sure he didn't just create the jutsu for fun and like you said it might have to do with Hashirama and Madara since everything in the story seems to be going that way. The whole free will thing is useless if he were to run out of Oro's chakra or something like that since he can't rely on his own power.

Originally Posted by Wooster

You can have your Itachi but then we need Danzo too.

Sorry but Danzou would just ruin that party

Originally Posted by Wooster

You said Kabuto likes to hide in the buses. Madara does as well.
Regardless, Madara lost to both when he went up in direct battles.
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] Kabuto doesn't have massive chakra reserves so he uses others powers, yes. His strength lies in strategy and developing new and improved techniques.
I will then. They are villains not snuggle bunnies after all.

Yeah but I never compared him to Madara or said that Madara never hid in the bushes. If we are to believe what Madara told Konan, then he never really lost to Hashirama since he was after something else other than victory. To Minato he did loose I wasn't trying to excuse him I was simply stating how anyone would have a tougher battle if it's someone who fights similar to them.

Yeah, exactly. Compare him to other copycats like Naruto or Sasuke and he's lame.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

He knows a lot yes but my point is that just as he's confident about his trump card so is Madara. Just like Madara doesn't know all about Kabuto the same can be said about Kabuto.

The massacre was also convenient for a lot of people. Yes, he was pissed off because everyone pretty much chose Hashirama but I'm referring to his current Juubi plan. Right now neither Kabuto nor Madara seem to be after personal vendetta. Maybe if they get a chance to get revenge while putting their plan into motion.....

As far as we know Madara has not trump card that's why he is stuck at the moment. If anything Madara thinks Zetsu following Kabuto is hidden move, but I have a feeling Kabuto kow that is happening.
I think Madara is pissed at the whole world. He is just a lot more constructive about how to deal with than Sasuke.

He mocked her mostly for being ignorant on the things she herself was protecting. They're all pretty much asses....I reserve judgement on Itachi though lol.

Protecting things, how pathetic.
I guess he isn't ass, well expect for when he mocked Sasuke, but hey, who wouldn't want to do that?

He went after Sasuke but for what reasons? the same can be said about Oro. Obviously Danzou would have never been weak enough emotionally to let Oro go just because he was a precious student of his...instead he would have come to an agreement so that Oro could give Danzou more power in exchange for him getting away
At the time it was pretty impressive IMO. Also, Oro wasn't really trying to show off to fool a certain someone..instead he was merely toying with Sarutobi. And why would he have needed Hashirama's and Tobirama's personalities in that fight?

To kill him because he was a threat. Perhaps, but then Danzo would have kept track off him and be ready to take him down. Just like the Sasuke retrieval arc showed.

Ii was, but Kabuto can do more. Why give them own personalitles? For they can fight better. They weren't that great they way they were after all.

It would be interesting indeed. Yeah, well I'm sure he didn't just create the jutsu for fun and like you said it might have to do with Hashirama and Madara since everything in the story seems to be going that way. The whole free will thing is useless if he were to run out of Oro's chakra or something like that since he can't rely on his own power.

Yeppers. Probably, I almost think Tobi is Edo Tensei of Madara dome by Tobirama. The jutsu only runs out if Kabuto releases the seal. He said so. The free will does require more chakra, it only required a different seal that Kabuto figured out.

Sorry but Danzou would just ruin that party

Danzo excels at that; it's why he is so awesome.

Yeah but I never compared him to Madara or said that Madara never hid in the bushes. If we are to believe what Madara told Konan, then he never really lost to Hashirama since he was after something else other than victory. To Minato he did loose I wasn't trying to excuse him I was simply stating how anyone would have a tougher battle if it's someone who fights similar to them.

Yeah, exactly. Compare him to other copycats like Naruto or Sasuke and he's lame.

Maybe, or he trying to put a good spin and a pathetic loss. I was only saying Madara doesn't confront people in battle anymore because he learned from his losses. Thus, he is similar to Kabuto now.

Compared to the two who will be the strongest Shinobi in the series that isn't so lame.

[Rezeon]

Personally I'm quite pleased with how Kabuto has been positioned in such a way that he can completely unravel Tobi's plans right now.

He poisoned Yamto with an poision specifically designed to neutralize Wood Style abilities, and then convinced Tobi to fuse him to Gedo Mazo and the cloned First Hokage. He then convinced Tobi to let him modify the white Zetsu army. With these vague modifications he could have easily rigged it so the Zetsu now have some fatal flaw, implanted a mind control command, or even set up a self destruct option. So Tobi's loyal forces aren't exactly all that reliable anymore.

Then there is the zombie army, which is already loyal to Kabuto. He could have them turn on Tobi at any time he wants. The fact that the technique doesn't go away in the event Kabuto dies only makes it better. As for the whole idea of using genjutsu to force him to release it... We have already seen from the Danzo vs Sasuke fight that there are easy ways to protect oneself against genjutsu if you know it is coming. Kabuto wouldn't have suggested the tactic if he didn't already have a counter for it.

The final part of Kabuto's gambit, that was ironically the first move he made, was that he revealed the location of Tobi's secret hideout. If/when Tobi's army collapses he will find the entire weight of the Joint Shinobi Alliance bearing down on the place where he is keeping the tailed beasts. Even with black Zetsu helping him I doubt the two of them would be able to stand against a force that size.

Using basic story telling patterns as a guide, this would be the point where Sasuke conveniently finishes recovering, joining the battle at full strength and single handedly fighting off the entire alliance with his MS spamming tactics, thus justifying why it is up to Naruto to save the world.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

As far as we know Madara has not trump card that's why he is stuck at the moment. If anything Madara thinks Zetsu following Kabuto is hidden move, but I have a feeling Kabuto kow that is happening.
I think Madara is pissed at the whole world. He is just a lot more constructive about how to deal with than Sasuke.

Come on they all have "trump cards" or at least what they all consider to be a "trump card". Look at the recent Konan battle for an example...it's not like she went announcing to the whole world (or even Madara for that matter) that she had that many bombs set in place.
Ok then let's say that Madara is pissed at the whole world if it makes you feel happy.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Protecting things, how pathetic.
I guess he isn't ass, well expect for when he mocked Sasuke, but hey, who wouldn't want to do that?

Who mocked Sasuke? Madara or Itachi? well either way Sasuke's not that important and like you said who could resist mocking him with all the the openings he gives?

Originally Posted by Wooster

To kill him because he was a threat. Perhaps, but then Danzo would have kept track off him and be ready to take him down. Just like the Sasuke retrieval arc showed.

That's just the Danzou fan talking....he went after Sasuke with the excuse that he was a threat to Konoha but really we saw what he did with the sharingans he got his hands on when the massacre happened. He was probably hoping to add more sharingans to his collection....it's not like there were tons of Uchiha to choose from anymore.

He would have kept an eye on him for sure but assuming he'll be ready to take him down any moment.....sounds to me it's exactly the same Madara's doing and you're criticizing him for it but if it's Danzou is ok?

Originally Posted by Wooster

Ii was, but Kabuto can do more. Why give them own personalitles? For they can fight better. They weren't that great they way they were after all.

It's not really that they'll fight better, it's more like depending on the situation it can give them an advantage (like Deidara with the Tsuchikage) or in other situations it could be the difference between winning or losing (like Sai's brother). IMO it's still the same....of course it makes it more interesting to see a zombie with a personality than one without it but so far the difference it's not that much. Of course it could change depending on the next chapter....

Originally Posted by Wooster

Yeppers. Probably, I almost think Tobi is Edo Tensei of Madara dome by Tobirama. The jutsu only runs out if Kabuto releases the seal. He said so. The free will does require more chakra, it only required a different seal that Kabuto figured out.

That's an interesting theory...but why the heck would Kabuto have control over it if it was Tobirama who summoned Madara?

Originally Posted by Wooster

Danzo excels at that; it's why he is so awesome.

Yes, he does. That's why he was so annoying.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Maybe, or he trying to put a good spin and a pathetic loss. I was only saying Madara doesn't confront people in battle anymore because he learned from his losses. Thus, he is similar to Kabuto now.

Compared to the two who will be the strongest Shinobi in the series that isn't so lame.

lol Kabuto never really confronted people unless he had to to help Oro or was ordered by Oro.

No way...he's even lamer if possible.

[darkdemonofthemist]

I'm really hoping Sakura actually does something for once.

Omgosh, wouldn't it be so funny if Naruto comes to help and then Sasuke shows up in the middle of the whole war to fight Naruto?

[Wooster]

[QUOTE=3littlepigs;4497847]Come on they all have "trump cards" or at least what they all consider to be a "trump card". Look at the recent Konan battle for an example...it's not like she went announcing to the whole world (or even Madara for that matter) that she had that many bombs set in place.
Ok then let's say that Madara is pissed at the whole world if it makes you feel happy.
[quote]
Madara just met Kabuto; he is unlikely to have a trump card yet.

Well he is. >.>

Who mocked Sasuke? Madara or Itachi? well either way Sasuke's not that important and like you said who could resist mocking him with all the the openings he gives?
That's just the Danzou fan talking....he went after Sasuke with the excuse that he was a threat to Konoha but really we saw what he did with the sharingans he got his hands on when the massacre happened. He was probably hoping to add more sharingans to his collection....it's not like there were tons of Uchiha to choose from anymore.

I think I meant Itachi, but it doesn't matter. Besides we all know who burned Sasuke the best. That 's right Danzo.
Thus, we no Danzo really wanted Sasuke dead. He did think it was Itachi biggest failure. Danzo doesn't collect Sharingan that is Madara. We have no proof that Danzo collected sharingan from the massacre. AS he said, he only got them here and there. How would Danzo even use Sasuke's sharingan; he doesn't have Orochimaru around to implant them.

He would have kept an eye on him for sure but assuming he'll be ready to take him down any moment.....sounds to me it's exactly the same Madara's doing and you're criticizing him for it but if it's Danzou is ok?

I am not critcizing Madara for it; I am only saying Kabuto has the upper hand. He did surprse Madara after all.

It's not really that they'll fight better, it's more like depending on the situation it can give them an advantage (like Deidara with the Tsuchikage) or in other situations it could be the difference between winning or losing (like Sai's brother). IMO it's still the same....of course it makes it more interesting to see a zombie with a personality than one without it but so far the difference it's not that much. Of course it could change depending on the next chapter....

I think it allows them to fight independently. Otherwise, Kabuto has to know how to control a vast array of jutsu from disparate ninja. This method is far better.

That's an interesting theory...but why the heck would Kabuto have control over it if it was Tobirama who summoned Madara?
Yes, he does. That's why he was so annoying.

I asssume Kabuto would suck the soul out of Tobi into his vessel or somethign like that.

AWESOME, I SAY

lol Kabuto never really confronted people unless he had to to help Oro or was ordered by Oro.

No way...he's even lamer if possible.

Of course because he is smart. Altough he did confront Naruto that one time and ran away.

Stop playing the lame game.

[Spark]

wont the zetsus replicate once they are cut?

[Jutsu Junkie]

Originally Posted by darkdemonofthemist

I'm really hoping Sakura actually does something for once.

Omgosh, wouldn't it be so funny if Naruto comes to help and then Sasuke shows up in the middle of the whole war to fight Naruto?

I bet Sakura's chakra punch misses, then she gets distracted into healing an ally before she gets to do anything good, and then the fight ends. That seems to be the pattern.

Originally Posted by Spark

wont the zetsus replicate once they are cut?

Like plant clippings? That, sir, is teh funny.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Originally Posted by Spark

wont the zetsus replicate once they are cut?

It depends i don't think that blast was caused by Division 4 and Division 5 assault on the Zetsus but the ambush by the Ambush squad on Zabuza and his teammates and all those Zetsus being massacred weren't caught in some explosion because the explosion on the page happened in an area fulled with trees plus the volcano that Kitsuchi and Kurotsuchi brought out wasn't there.

Anyway, we saw Hinata, Neji, Kiba, and others as well as some fodders attacked the Zetsus I doubt that a couple of C-B ranks techniques and kunais could cause an explosion. That those Zetsus being hurt are just some of the Zetsus being assaulted it was made to imply the damage that the Zetsus were taking.

So right now the the 2 divisions are still fighting the Zetsus off screen so now its only a matter of what the Zetsus can and will do?

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Madara just met Kabuto; he is unlikely to have a trump card yet.

Well he is. >.>

How do you know he just met him? (Maybe I missed that part) Well what if he had a trump card for Oro way back and maybe that trump card was updated? Kabuto is just a copycat after all

Originally Posted by Wooster

I think I meant Itachi, but it doesn't matter. Besides we all know who burned Sasuke the best. That 's right Danzo.
Thus, we no Danzo really wanted Sasuke dead. He did think it was Itachi biggest failure. Danzo doesn't collect Sharingan that is Madara. We have no proof that Danzo collected sharingan from the massacre. AS he said, he only got them here and there. How would Danzo even use Sasuke's sharingan; he doesn't have Orochimaru around to implant them.

Of course he wanted him dead...doesn't mean it was for the right reasons. Wait, he didn't collect sharingan? so he didn't accumulate lots of them for his incomplete Izanagi? Yeah sure he got that many from lots of Uchiha who died in missions or of natural causes....

Originally Posted by Wooster

I am not critcizing Madara for it; I am only saying Kabuto has the upper hand. He did surprse Madara after all.

ok fine let's leave it at him having the upper hand just because he surprised Madara.

Originally Posted by Wooster

I think it allows them to fight independently. Otherwise, Kabuto has to know how to control a vast array of jutsu from disparate ninja. This method is far better.
I asssume Kabuto would suck the soul out of Tobi into his vessel or somethign like that.

AWESOME, I SAY

That makes no sense whatsoever. Oro didn't need to do ANYTHING at all once he summoned Hashirama and Tobirama. They fought on their own and attacked using their own jutsu...the only thing different with Kabuto's version is the summoned soul talking, making jokes, getting angry etc...it doesn't make them more powerful (like I said that could change depending on the next chapter).

I don't know about that....if the soul is already summoned into this world it wouldn't make sense for Kabuto to be able to summon it under his control. Then wouldn't he be able to basically use anyone's soul even if they're alive?

You and your Danzou fanaticism.

Originally Posted by Wooster

Of course because he is smart. Altough he did confront Naruto that one time and ran away.

Stop playing the lame game.

lol Whatever! I can say he's lame because he is...

[Sina]

Kakashi will stop Zabuza just like who kankuro stopped sasori