Spoiler Chapter 521 Discussion

[RINNEMAN1]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

Its official; the guy behind the mask is NOT Madara Uchiha..The rest of the chapter was awesome and Kishi is again doing some good job...

1. Kabuto may not know who is behind the mask

2. Tobi + Kisame said he was Madara

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by RINNEMAN1

1. Kabuto may not know who is behind the mask

2. Tobi + Kisame said he was Madara

Tobi is a liar and Kisame was manipulated by him..Character statements can not be taken for granted as they are, often, misleading..

We can all continue to have our little theories until he finally takes that damn mask off..

[Semog]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

Tobi is a liar and Kisame was manipulated by him..Character statements can not be taken for granted as they are, often, misleading..

We can all continue to have our little theories until he finally takes that damn mask off..

We have seen him with half of his face with no mask.. it was pretty obvious he was Uchiha Madara

[Parak111]

Great chapter. The cliff hanger was the best.


It looks like there won't be Naruto manga for 2 weeks! So the next Naruto manga could be expected around 4-5th January 2011. *sigh*

[george hyuga]

hinata and neji looked epic doing air palm wall

[Kakuzu]

Did anyone else notice the Zetsu's when they were attacked? It looked like they just regenerated. If that's the case, they will be tough opponents... Black Zetsu is obviously preparing or doing something. I bet his task is to monitor Kabuto and his whereabouts.

This is probably when Kabuto will make them mindless killing machines judging by Zabuza's final words of the chapter. It seemed as if they were parting words. As if Zabuza was being cut-off. Next week should be intresting. I'm ready to finally see Zetsu fight. BRING IT ON.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

Madara is so going to win against Kabuto!! Kabuto is just another egotistical villain just like Oro and just like Oro his arrogance is going to be his demise....at least Madara has that coolness about him as a villain.

WHat the FUBAR? Madara is the most arrogant piece of work ever. He wants to control everyones mind after all. Kabuto is much more cool that Madara. I love his "I don't want to be well known I am a introvert after all."
Heehee. awesome.

What is it with your love affair with the Uchiha, anyway?

I'm glad I was able to see Kakashi but why when it's time to face the "real" Edo Tensei? Kankuro and the others got off easy it seems...I just hope Kakashi doesn't use Kamui or else he'll pass out for sure (in that case at least Sakura would be helpful somehow....)

Because Kakashi is awesome. Who gives a rat's ass about Kankuro. We want to see cool character's fight the hardest enemies.

I think Kabuto isn't really as strong and powerful as he wants everyone to think...I mean it's pretty obvious he went after Anko because he didn't have enough power on his own and Edo Tense wasn't strong enough...that's why the souls were being released on their own.

Yes he is, he was smart enough to get Anko AND have Madara let him keep her. You did notice Madara almost made Kabuto use her for Edo Tensei, but Kabuto wriggled out of that. Kabuto's brains are what make him so awesome.

lol at Kakashi's army..."what? they know each other?"

If only "It's a Small World" played then

Anyway, can't wait for next week. At least this week I didn't have to deal with the newest version of Rasengan...and where the heck is Yamato? Kishi needs to show him in the next couple of chapters...

Hay, rasengan is awesome and unique!!!

Nah, just kidding. It is pretty boring. I guess you can't be wrong about everything.

Originally Posted by deidara330

Anyways, this chapter proves to me that the war is going to be exactly as I thought it would; Tactical brilliance within the generals, Good maneuvers in some personal battles, and for most of the rest large-scale fighting amongst the Zetsu and the Alliance's forces with screentime for ninja here and there whipping out some powerful jutsu.

I'm pretty sure the demon that appeared behind Zabuza was more a depiction of his title than anything. He is called the Demon of the Hidden Mist.

Madara-Kabuto banter is officially what I'm looking forward to now in Naruto. Not that the war doesn't interest me, but Kishi seems to be doing a great job with the conflict between bad guys.

Tatics are indeed fun to watch. I guess we will see how believable Kishi can make a war. Heck, I want War and Peace here!

I hope we see little of the Zetsu fighting that I assume will be for all the filter characters and Kishi will just use that to wrack up causalities.

I like these meeting between characters as well. It is great way to bring in some nostalgia.

That may be the case with Zabuza, but I think it is more than that. We also saw that when he killed Gato. I think Kabuto has given Zabuza some super strength here. Kakashi is going to be hard pressed in the next chapter.

[narulvr]

it was good, my geuss is that kabuto and madara are gona fight and since zetsu's spore can copy a person and there chakra he'll have him turn into a kabuto clone and release the jutsu... but thats just a geuss

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

WHat the FUBAR? Madara is the most arrogant piece of work ever. He wants to control everyones mind after all. Kabuto is much more cool that Madara. I love his "I don't want to be well known I am a introvert after all."
Heehee. awesome.
Oh yeah well Madara is even cooler just because he actually says it out loud that his ultimate goal is world domination even if he rephrases it a little bit. Kabuto on the other hand keeps trying to appear "uncool" and trying to convince others that he's not a threat even though no one is buying it and he knows it and he wants everyone to know it...also perhaps you didn't notice Madara just assumes everyone knows how great he is so he doesn't need to go around showing off like some other characters I don't want to keep mentioning....that's how you know who the cooler villain is
What is it with your love affair with the Uchiha, anyway?
I don't have a love affair with the Uchiha, just Itachi.
Because Kakashi is awesome. Who gives a rat's ass about Kankuro. We want to see cool character's fight the hardest enemies.
I do agree Kakashi is just plain awesome but Kankuro is cool in his own way too and anyway how is Zabuza one of the hardest enemies?
Yes he is, he was smart enough to get Anko AND have Madara let him keep her. You did notice Madara almost made Kabuto use her for Edo Tensei, but Kabuto wriggled out of that. Kabuto's brains are what make him so awesome.
Ok we can't say Kabuto is both powerful and smart just because he got Anko. Anko is Anko after all...not strong enough and not the smartest last time I checked. You did notice is convenient for Madara at the moment to let Kabuto be strong enough to keep control of Edo Tensei right? they're both at a disadvantage but neither one will admit it and they both think as soon as they're done using the other one they'll be able to keep everything under control. Kabuto is not awesome at all...he's creepier than Oro if that's even possible....also I sense a deja-vu coming....Danzou all over again?
If only "It's a Small World" played then
lol
Hay, rasengan is awesome and unique!!!
ah..yeah if you say so.
Nah, just kidding. It is pretty boring. I guess you can't be wrong about everything.

Just kidding too....and right back at you with the last statement lol

[Jutsu Junkie]

LOL!

Zetsucano!

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Wooster

WHat the FUBAR? Madara is the most arrogant piece of work ever. He wants to control everyones mind after all. Kabuto is much more cool that Madara. I love his "I don't want to be well known I am a introvert after all."
Heehee. awesome.
Oh yeah well Madara is even cooler just because he actually says it out loud that his ultimate goal is world domination even if he rephrases it a little bit. Kabuto on the other hand keeps trying to appear "uncool" and trying to convince others that he's not a threat even though no one is buying it and he knows it and he wants everyone to know it...also perhaps you didn't notice Madara just assumes everyone knows how great he is so he doesn't need to go around showing off like some other characters I don't want to keep mentioning....that's how you know who the cooler villain is

Pshaw. Madara is just a bitter old man with a bunch of braggadocio. Um, absolutely no resemblance to me. >.>
Except for the fact that everyone buys Kabuto's act. It's obvious that Madara feel for it once again.
Madara doesn't assume it. He is always bragging about how he defeat this that or the other person. Plus, I think we all know that 'Tobi' isn't exactly Madara after all.

You are right, though, cool characters don't show off and are unassuming, just like Danzo.

What is it with your love affair with the Uchiha, anyway?
I don't have a love affair with the Uchiha, just Itachi.

I guess you do hate Sasuke. I will give you that.

Because Kakashi is awesome. Who gives a rat's ass about Kankuro. We want to see cool character's fight the hardest enemies.
I do agree Kakashi is just plain awesome but Kankuro is cool in his own way too and anyway how is Zabuza one of the hardest enemies?

Kankuro is just so dull. He is just a clone of Kiba, but without the dawg. Word up!
Zabuza is the toughest so far because Kabuto is putting is all behind him. That's all I am saying.

Yes he is, he was smart enough to get Anko AND have Madara let him keep her. You did notice Madara almost made Kabuto use her for Edo Tensei, but Kabuto wriggled out of that. Kabuto's brains are what make him so awesome.
Ok we can't say Kabuto is both powerful and smart just because he got Anko. Anko is Anko after all...not strong enough and not the smartest last time I checked. You did notice is convenient for Madara at the moment to let Kabuto be strong enough to keep control of Edo Tensei right? they're both at a disadvantage but neither one will admit it and they both think as soon as they're done using the other one they'll be able to keep everything under control. Kabuto is not awesome at all...he's creepier than Oro if that's even possible....also I sense a deja-vu coming....Danzou all over again?

He didn't just get Anko. He lured her to Madara's lair and let her inform the Shinobi alliance about it; thus making the battle tougher for Madara. Obviously, these events were all part of Kabuto's plan. Yes, but Madara thinks he knows it's weakness now, but Kabuto has not only what is in the coffin, but a secret jutsu up his sleeve. Yes, they will go after each other soon. It's goingn to be great. I think Kabuto will come out ahead and be the true villian in the series.
Being creepy is great for a villian. Better than emo like Sasuke. How dare you mention Danzo?!

If only "It's a Small World" played then
lol
Hay, rasengan is awesome and unique!!!
ah..yeah if you say so.
Nah, just kidding. It is pretty boring. I guess you can't be wrong about everything.

Just kidding too....and right back at you with the last statement lol
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I miss these back and forths. It has been too long.

Um..next time I will try to quote and instead of edit. D'oh!

[HachibiXSenpai]

madara should just shut up and kill others already instead of letting his army get pwnd one by one

[DeemonFox]

Originally Posted by HachibiXSenpai

madara should just shut up and kill others already instead of letting his army get pwnd one by one

Now that he's done squabbling with kabuto, maybe he'll enter the battlefield.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Doubt it..

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Pshaw. Madara is just a bitter old man with a bunch of braggadocio. Um, absolutely no resemblance to me. >.>
Except for the fact that everyone buys Kabuto's act. It's obvious that Madara feel for it once again.
Madara doesn't assume it. He is always bragging about how he defeat this that or the other person. Plus, I think we all know that 'Tobi' isn't exactly Madara after all.

Who's buying Kabuto's act? Madara? if that were so he wouldn't have asked Zetsu to 1) remain with Sasuke and 2) keep an eye on Kabuto. Everyone else in the alliance was worried about Edo Tense and how to stop it for obvious reasons but the war is still against Madara not Kabuto, meaning Madara is still considered more dangerous than Kabuto. How did he fall for it? that won't be decided until they actually try to take each other out and obviously the one who is able to plan farther ahead will win.

He never brags....if it can be called bragging then it's always about the Uchiha and being related to the Sage etc..

It's not confirmed until it's confirmed ok? personally I don't really mind either way and I don't get why it's so hard to think the poor guy might have been saying the truth all along....

Originally Posted by Wooster

You are right, though, cool characters don't show off and are unassuming, just like Danzo.
I guess you do hate Sasuke. I will give you that.
Kankuro is just so dull. He is just a clone of Kiba, but without the dawg. Word up!
Zabuza is the toughest so far because Kabuto is putting is all behind him. That's all I am saying.

I will agree that Danzou was kind of unassuming but not showing off? He was always bragging about being better than Sarutobi and Tsunade and how he would have never let things happened the way they did.....easy to say since he didn't actually have to live up to it.

Whatever! I like Kiba so I guess there's no helping me liking Kankuro as well
Let's see how long his new power supply lasts for...something could trigger Haku to release himself from Kabuto's control and then soon enough Zabuza would follow....

Originally Posted by Wooster

He didn't just get Anko. He lured her to Madara's lair and let her inform the Shinobi alliance about it; thus making the battle tougher for Madara. Obviously, these events were all part of Kabuto's plan. Yes, but Madara thinks he knows it's weakness now, but Kabuto has not only what is in the coffin, but a secret jutsu up his sleeve. Yes, they will go after each other soon. It's goingn to be great. I think Kabuto will come out ahead and be the true villian in the series.
Being creepy is great for a villian. Better than emo like Sasuke. How dare you mention Danzo?!

You really think Madara wasn't prepared to go into a tough battle? why all the Zetsus then? Kabuto has whatever is in the coffin which we already know affects Madara somehow but his other jutsu could turn out to be crap against Madara depending on what's is used for and where it came from. Remember Madara has been around long enough to recognize a whole bunch of jutsu and he has ways to counter those jutsu.

Unlike Oro, Kabuto still seems weak when it comes to face-to-face combat...why else is he hiding like a rat around the bushes? like I also said before just the fact that he needed Anko for something-anything- proves he's not better than Oro. He might have made Edo Tensei stronger but he still seems to need Oro's power to make it work which says a lot....

Madara was already strong enough with just his sharingan and now he has the Rinnegan. He was also able to survive fighting people like Minato and Itachi who were both very good at planning things in advance even when they wouldn't be alive anymore.

If they have to be creepy then they shouldn't be completely repulsive as well IMO. Oro was both and Kabuto is about to break the record...

Originally Posted by Wooster

I miss these back and forths. It has been too long.

lol yeah I missed them too..

Originally Posted by HachibiXSenpai

madara should just shut up and kill others already instead of letting his army get pwnd one by one

What army exactly? the Edo Tensei summonings basically work for Kabuto and the Zetsus will be ok...they seem to be able to regenerate besides the fact that they were created for this.

If his battle with Minato showed us anything he'll go after what he needs unless something or someone keeps getting in his way...so he'll go after Bee and Naruto since you could say they were left "unprotected". All he has to do is find the place....

[Sina]

It only brings back memories haku,zabuza ...

[Wind Style Naruto]

I noticed that when those 4 guys attacked Sai's team Kakashi's division came in to stop them. Kakashi is holding of Zabuza, Lee is holding off Haku, Guy is holding off Gari, and who the heck is holding off Pakura.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

Who's buying Kabuto's act? Madara? if that were so he wouldn't have asked Zetsu to 1) remain with Sasuke and 2) keep an eye on Kabuto. Everyone else in the alliance was worried about Edo Tense and how to stop it for obvious reasons but the war is still against Madara not Kabuto, meaning Madara is still considered more dangerous than Kabuto. How did he fall for it? that won't be decided until they actually try to take each other out and obviously the one who is able to plan farther ahead will win.

He is spying and Kabuto and doesn't trust him that doesn't mean he has any clue about Kabuto's power. Madara thinks he knows all about Edo Tensei; he does not. Well Kabuto probably is really fighting against them anyway. He doesn't have a vendetta against the Shinobi world after all. He is causing this much havoc just trying to get close to Sasuke that is what is so impressive.

He fell for it in the sense that he thinks he can still use Kabuto and he is safe. Nothing cpould be further from the truth.

He never brags....if it can be called bragging then it's always about the Uchiha and being related to the Sage etc..

Madara most certainly does brag. For a recent example look at his fight against Konan.

It's not confirmed until it's confirmed ok? personally I don't really mind either way and I don't get why it's so hard to think the poor guy might have been saying the truth all along....

I assume he is Madara just not the complete Madara

I will agree that Danzou was kind of unassuming but not showing off? He was always bragging about being better than Sarutobi and Tsunade and how he would have never let things happened the way they did.....easy to say since he didn't actually have to live up to it.

He said his ideas were better than Sarutobi's. He had facts to back him up, such as Orochimaru, Sasuke etc.

Whatever! I like Kiba so I guess there's no helping me liking Kankuro as well

I guess, but why not see Kiba instead of Kankuro.

Let's see how long his new power supply lasts for...something could trigger Haku to release himself from Kabuto's control and then soon enough Zabuza would follow....

They were released before when he was jabbering with Madara and controlling multiple zombies at once. Kabuto is now putting all his efforts into Zabuza. Kakashi is going to have a tough time. I just hope he won't die...again.

You really think Madara wasn't prepared to go into a tough battle? why all the Zetsus then? Kabuto has whatever is in the coffin which we already know affects Madara somehow but his other jutsu could turn out to be crap against Madara depending on what's is used for and where it came from. Remember Madara has been around long enough to recognize a whole bunch of jutsu and he has ways to counter those jutsu.

All the Zetsus that are now stronger due to Kabuto caturing Yamato. Once again we see Kabuto's clever mind producing results. I won't be shocked if this somehow allows Kabuto turn the white Zetsus against Madara.
Madara recognizes old jutsu and he does not know how to do Edo Tensei that's why Kabuto had to show him. Plus, Kabuto keeps perfecting jutsu; he is better than Orochimaru or Tobirama.

Unlike Oro, Kabuto still seems weak when it comes to face-to-face combat...why else is he hiding like a rat around the bushes? like I also said before just the fact that he needed Anko for something-anything- proves he's not better than Oro. He might have made Edo Tensei stronger but he still seems to need Oro's power to make it work which says a lot....

You didn't just say Tobi likes face-to-face combat did you? Besides the fact he is hiding behind a mask Madara is the one that formed the Akastsuki for others would fight battles for him. Of course I think this make Madara better because that makes him like Kabuto and Danzo. Madara got his ass handed to him when he went face-to-face with 1st and Minato.

Kabuto needs Orochimaru's power actually to make a jutsu stronger than any Orochimaru made. How does that make Kabuto weaker? Again he is using his intelligence to solve a problem that brute strenght can not.

Madara was already strong enough with just his sharingan and now he has the Rinnegan. He was also able to survive fighting people like Minato and Itachi who were both very good at planning things in advance even when they wouldn't be alive anymore.

Ture he does have the Rinnegan, but isn't there another one laying around? And doesn't your point that Kabuto needed Orochimaru's power apply just to same to Madara needing the Rinnegan's power? Just sayin.
He barely survived against Minato that was pretty pathetic not to mention Minato had to take care of the Kyuubi as well. Madara never fought Itachi. Itachi just concentrated on saving Sasuke and maybe giving something to Naruo which we have yet to see.

If they have to be creepy then they shouldn't be completely repulsive as well IMO. Oro was both and Kabuto is about to break the record...

Again, creppy is much better than emo.

lol yeah I missed them too..

Indeed.

[Wind Style Naruto]

I wonder how long the fight between Kakashi's unit and Zabuza's unit will last(and yes Im calling it Zabuza's unit).

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Wind Style Naruto

I wonder how long the fight between Kakashi's unit and Zabuza's unit will last(and yes Im calling it Zabuza's unit).

2-3 Chapters.