In Defense of Danzo

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

You go wooster!

[Vornmusion]

Wonderful walls of text in this thread.

/golf clap

[Lady Tsunade]

Regardless of anything. Danzo didn't help Konoha in the Invasion of Pein. When he had a large number of skilled Ninja which could've helped. He wasn't loyal to the Village. And thus would not be a suitable Kage. He was also jealous when Hiruzen became Kage over him. So I wouldn't say his entire purpose of hating Hiruzen and Tsunade was that he didn't like their ways of keeping the Village. But also because he was jealous they got the position and he didn't. It's also likely he used his Sharingan to persuade the Elders to agree with him in debates, like he did in the Kage meeting. Over people like Tsunade, or Hiruzen.

I still hate him xD

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Regardless of anything. Danzo didn't help Konoha in the Invasion of Pein. When he had a large number of skilled Ninja which could've helped. He wasn't loyal to the Village. And thus would not be a suitable Kage. He was also jealous when Hiruzen became Kage over him. So I wouldn't say his entire purpose of hating Hiruzen and Tsunade was that he didn't like their ways of keeping the Village. But also because he was jealous they got the position and he didn't. It's also likely he used his Sharingan to persuade the Elders to agree with him in debates, like he did in the Kage meeting. Over people like Tsunade, or Hiruzen.

I still hate him xD

Libel! There is no proof Danzo used Shisui's eye on the elders. Not to mention all the Byakugan users around would make it dangerous. No, instead instead he used his vast wisdom, his lovely, baritone repartee, and his reasonable arguments. These are things Tsunade should learn how to use.

He didn't help because he was waiting for Pain to leave instead of provoking him into destroying the village unlike some bone head. Besides he knew Tsunade would save must of the villagers lives and then be removed as Hokage. Win-win.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Regardless of anything. Danzo didn't help Konoha in the Invasion of Pein. When he had a large number of skilled Ninja which could've helped. He wasn't loyal to the Village. And thus would not be a suitable Kage. He was also jealous when Hiruzen became Kage over him. So I wouldn't say his entire purpose of hating Hiruzen and Tsunade was that he didn't like their ways of keeping the Village. But also because he was jealous they got the position and he didn't. It's also likely he used his Sharingan to persuade the Elders to agree with him in debates, like he did in the Kage meeting. Over people like Tsunade, or Hiruzen.

I still hate him xD

I completely agree with her.

Regardless of his so called "good" intentions, I hate him.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

I completely agree with her.

Regardless of his so called "good" intentions, I hate him.

At least his intentions get the job done, unlike someone else who gets the village blown up.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Oh Wooster.

Who knew that this was going to end up with you debating more? xD

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Sasori

Oh Wooster.

Who knew that this was going to end up with you debating more? xD

Yeah, thanks a lot. I got rep too! Boooooo!

I guess Danzo is forever, forever, forever.

[Jakropha]

TL;DR

I didnt think Id actually be immensley overloaded by the wirds :O

[Wooster]

Words have power, never forget.

/destroys a city with walls of text

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Libel! There is no proof Danzo used Shisui's eye on the elders. Not to mention all the Byakugan users around would make it dangerous. No, instead instead he used his vast wisdom, his lovely, baritone repartee, and his reasonable arguments. These are things Tsunade should learn how to use.

He didn't help because he was waiting for Pain to leave instead of provoking him into destroying the village unlike some bone head. Besides he knew Tsunade would save must of the villagers lives and then be removed as Hokage. Win-win.

Oh, there is no proof. I said it's likely. However, from what I can see. From all the council meetings showed thus far. There are no Byakugan users who actively take part in those important debates. And even if they did. Activating the Byakugan , while having a friendly talk about Village matters. Would be a bit inappropriate. Don't you think? All hypothetical of course.

So what? What kind of Kage would he be, if he waited for someone else to kill everyone . While he sits and does absoloutly nothing? Knowing someone else would do all the work, is not not him doing anything except being unloyal to his Village. knew Tsunade would save must of the villagers lives and then be removed as Hokage. Win-win. xD You said it yourself. He wanted the position for himself. And he didn't want to get the position the old fashioned way either. Like proving his worth. B say, helping protect Konoha. He wanted to wait for the current Kage to die. So he could step in. Again, he was unloyal. And did not in anyway dserve the position. If the Elders. Homura and Koharu, had known he didn't help. They wouldn't have been as quick as setting him as the Temporary Hokage.

Also, Tsunade shouting at Pein really had little effect on anything. Pein is a ruthless ninja, he has no sympathy for people. Especially people who kill off his entire organisation. And also people, who killed his parents. You really think Tsunade, a woman who Pein really didn't care about. Persuaded him in anyway to nuke Konoha. No. Pein is brutal, he hates major countires like Konoha, Suna etc. Because he disagrees with their methods of peace. One woman shouting at him isn't going to do anything. Furthermore, if Tsunade had simply nodded her hed as Pein explained his view on things saying " Yes, I completely agree. " Lol Well what kind of friggin' Kage would she have been. If you're trying to imply Danzo would've agreed with Pein. Or even tried to avoid the discussion in anyway. Whether it be direct assault, or simple insults. It would've made a hell of a lot less sense, that what Tsunade did. Which was stand up for her Village. Like every good kage should do.

Danzo would never have been a suitable Kage, because he didn't understand loyalty. He only wanted power. And the ability to do things his way. He was only a selfish, jealous old man. Powerful, but still not Kage material.

@Kazumi: <3

[Lone Wolf Of Missouri]

I like the ruthless suppres your emotions way. that is the real way of war!

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Of Missouri

I like the ruthless suppres your emotions way. that is the real way of war!

Yeah! Right on!


By the way are you the same as the user "Lone Wolf" or are you new?

[Shino Hatake]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Oh, there is no proof. I said it's likely. However, from what I can see. From all the council meetings showed thus far. There are no Byakugan users who actively take part in those important debates. And even if they did. Activating the Byakugan , while having a friendly talk about Village matters. Would be a bit inappropriate. Don't you think? All hypothetical of course.

So what? What kind of Kage would he be, if he waited for someone else to kill everyone . While he sits and does absoloutly nothing? Knowing someone else would do all the work, is not not him doing anything except being unloyal to his Village. knew Tsunade would save must of the villagers lives and then be removed as Hokage. Win-win. xD You said it yourself. He wanted the position for himself. And he didn't want to get the position the old fashioned way either. Like proving his worth. B say, helping protect Konoha. He wanted to wait for the current Kage to die. So he could step in. Again, he was unloyal. And did not in anyway dserve the position. If the Elders. Homura and Koharu, had known he didn't help. They wouldn't have been as quick as setting him as the Temporary Hokage.

Also, Tsunade shouting at Pein really had little effect on anything. Pein is a ruthless ninja, he has no sympathy for people. Especially people who kill off his entire organisation. And also people, who killed his parents. You really think Tsunade, a woman who Pein really didn't care about. Persuaded him in anyway to nuke Konoha. No. Pein is brutal, he hates major countires like Konoha, Suna etc. Because he disagrees with their methods of peace. One woman shouting at him isn't going to do anything. Furthermore, if Tsunade had simply nodded her hed as Pein explained his view on things saying " Yes, I completely agree. " Lol Well what kind of friggin' Kage would she have been. If you're trying to imply Danzo would've agreed with Pein. Or even tried to avoid the discussion in anyway. Whether it be direct assault, or simple insults. It would've made a hell of a lot less sense, that what Tsunade did. Which was stand up for her Village. Like every good kage should do.

Danzo would never have been a suitable Kage, because he didn't understand loyalty. He only wanted power. And the ability to do things his way. He was only a selfish, jealous old man. Powerful, but still not Kage material.

@Kazumi: <3

Good lord Jeanie Woman! Give me a day at school to counter this one.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Oh, there is no proof. I said it's likely. However, from what I can see. From all the council meetings showed thus far. There are no Byakugan users who actively take part in those important debates. And even if they did. Activating the Byakugan , while having a friendly talk about Village matters. Would be a bit inappropriate. Don't you think? All hypothetical of course.

So what? What kind of Kage would he be, if he waited for someone else to kill everyone . While he sits and does absoloutly nothing? Knowing someone else would do all the work, is not not him doing anything except being unloyal to his Village. knew Tsunade would save must of the villagers lives and then be removed as Hokage. Win-win. xD You said it yourself. He wanted the position for himself. And he didn't want to get the position the old fashioned way either. Like proving his worth. B say, helping protect Konoha. He wanted to wait for the current Kage to die. So he could step in. Again, he was unloyal. And did not in anyway dserve the position. If the Elders. Homura and Koharu, had known he didn't help. They wouldn't have been as quick as setting him as the Temporary Hokage.

Also, Tsunade shouting at Pein really had little effect on anything. Pein is a ruthless ninja, he has no sympathy for people. Especially people who kill off his entire organisation. And also people, who killed his parents. You really think Tsunade, a woman who Pein really didn't care about. Persuaded him in anyway to nuke Konoha. No. Pein is brutal, he hates major countires like Konoha, Suna etc. Because he disagrees with their methods of peace. One woman shouting at him isn't going to do anything. Furthermore, if Tsunade had simply nodded her hed as Pein explained his view on things saying " Yes, I completely agree. " Lol Well what kind of friggin' Kage would she have been. If you're trying to imply Danzo would've agreed with Pein. Or even tried to avoid the discussion in anyway. Whether it be direct assault, or simple insults. It would've made a hell of a lot less sense, that what Tsunade did. Which was stand up for her Village. Like every good kage should do.

Danzo would never have been a suitable Kage, because he didn't understand loyalty. He only wanted power. And the ability to do things his way. He was only a selfish, jealous old man. Powerful, but still not Kage material.

@Kazumi: <3

Not unlikely, he couldn't take the risk. Not to mention, using it takes a lot out of him. He might as well just argue. After all he is only up against a nitwit like Tsunade.

Not unloyal, only logical. It is unemotional and ruthless, but that is who Danzo is. He wanted the position because he believed the others were making poor decisions and in many cases they were. Well he had the most worth when he was chosen that's why he was picked.

Tsunade did have an effcet. Pain only wanted Naruto. Naruto wasn't in the village, which by the way is what Danzo wanted. Allowing him to leave for the moment would be the right decision. Tsunade goaded him into destroying the village. Danzo would not have even wasted his time trying to talk to Pain.

Danzo understands loyalty, but it is to the village itself. Any individual is expendable depending on whether their sacrifice is to the benefit of the village as a whole.

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Not unlikely, he couldn't take the risk. Not to mention, using it takes a lot out of him. He might as well just argue. After all he is only up against a nitwit like Tsunade.

Not unloyal, only logical. It is unemotional and ruthless, but that is who Danzo is. He wanted the position because he believed the others were making poor decisions and in many cases they were. Well he had the most worth when he was chosen that's why he was picked.

Tsunade did have an effcet. Pain only wanted Naruto. Naruto wasn't in the village, which by the way is what Danzo wanted. Allowing him to leave for the moment would be the right decision. Tsunade goaded him into destroying the village. Danzo would not have even wasted his time trying to talk to Pain.

Danzo understands loyalty, but it is to the village itself. Any individual is expendable depending on whether their sacrifice is to the benefit of the village as a whole.

She's a student of Hiruzen Sarutobi. Had almost as much battle experience, it not more. Than the Elders. And of course, is the Hokage. Argueing with her is difficult. As is winning :L Danzo does anything to gain power, as seen when he tok control of A in the Kage Meeting, to try and become leader of the Ninja Alliance. He doesn't seem to care how much it 'takes out of him'

No. Unloyal. Tsunade , or Hiruzen, or Minato may have known their army of Villagers could've saved a lot of people. Doesn't mean they would've sat back and done nothing would it? Granted he's intelligent, as are all other Kages. Emotions have nothing to do with it. A Kage is supposed to protect his or her Village at all costs. Danzo certainly would not do that .

No, she really didn't, as I already explained. Tsunade could not have have convinced him into doing anything. Since when did Pein start becoming offended by people like Tsunade? And when did he become sympathetic enough to spare lives? Never. He would've destroyed the Village arguement or no arguement. Konoha kiled his parents, Konoha killed his organization. Konoha are the reason capturing Tailed Beasts is so difficult. He dislikes Konoha, or at least - he did. No, he wouldn't talk to Pein, because Danzo would've been underground having tea with Root, while Konoha gets destroyed xD

Danzo tried to kill Sasuke, but from what he said during the manga. It wasn't to defend the Village. It was because he felt allowing Sasuke to live was a waste. Hiruzen was alright with Itachi not killing Sasuke, apparently Danzo was not. He never said anything about wanting to defend Konoha. He also sent ANBU to find Kabuto Yakushi, before Anko Mitarashi? Anko is loyal to the Village. As we know. Even going as far as trying to kill Orochimaru to save Konoha. Danzo doesn't trust her. Or better yet, wants Kabuto for his own purposes. Again, no loyalty. Or faith to his Villagers.
Not a suitable Kage

;]

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

She's a student of Hiruzen Sarutobi. Had almost as much battle experience, it not more. Than the Elders. And of course, is the Hokage. Argueing with her is difficult. As is winning :L Danzo does anything to gain power, as seen when he tok control of A in the Kage Meeting, to try and become leader of the Ninja Alliance. He doesn't seem to care how much it 'takes out of him'

No. Unloyal. Tsunade , or Hiruzen, or Minato may have known their army of Villagers could've saved a lot of people. Doesn't mean they would've sat back and done nothing would it? Granted he's intelligent, as are all other Kages. Emotions have nothing to do with it. A Kage is supposed to protect his or her Village at all costs. Danzo certainly would not do that .

No, she really didn't, as I already explained. Tsunade could not have have convinced him into doing anything. Since when did Pein start becoming offended by people like Tsunade? And when did he become sympathetic enough to spare lives? Never. He would've destroyed the Village arguement or no arguement. Konoha kiled his parents, Konoha killed his organization. Konoha are the reason capturing Tailed Beasts is so difficult. He dislikes Konoha, or at least - he did. No, he wouldn't talk to Pein, because Danzo would've been underground having tea with Root, while Konoha gets destroyed xD

Danzo tried to kill Sasuke, but from what he said during the manga. It wasn't to defend the Village. It was because he felt allowing Sasuke to live was a waste. Hiruzen was alright with Itachi not killing Sasuke, apparently Danzo was not. He never said anything about wanting to defend Konoha. He also sent ANBU to find Kabuto Yakushi, before Anko Mitarashi? Anko is loyal to the Village. As we know. Even going as far as trying to kill Orochimaru to save Konoha. Danzo doesn't trust her. Or better yet, wants Kabuto for his own purposes. Again, no loyalty. Or faith to his Villagers.
Not a suitable Kage

;]

He out argued her with adding Sai to Team Kakashi, even Shizune was on his side. Tsunade didn't use any decent arguments about bringing Naruto back, she just used force.
Why did Danzo do that? Um and it wasn't A it was Mifiune. He needed all the villages to form an alliance. That was his idea remember. Clearly Danzo would have been the best given the other choices, but it was not only that he needed to lead it but that it had to happen. Without Madara busting in, it might not have happened. If Ao didn't see Danzo's sharingan, the alliance would have formed as well. The other Kage seemed to begrudgingly accept Danzo as the leader.

Clearly his actions would have been different if he was Hokage. The people were saved, his calculations were correct.

Really? Pain is offended by everything. His point was to get Naruto. There was no reason to destroy Konoha. Remember he even offered to form an alliance if Tsunade handed Naruto over. Tsunade was arrogant, so Pain decided to teach her a lesson.

Why did Danzo want to exterminate the Uchiha clan in the first place? Because they were a danger to the village. To say that there was any reason beside that for killing Sasuke is silly. Danzo was the first to see it and was well ahead of Tsunade on the need to kill Sasuke once he went rogue.
Yes, because he wanted to pump Kabuto to gain information about the First's DNA no doubt. He was still going to capture him. Danzo doesn't trust Anko because she is an agent of Tsunade. And who in their right mind would trust Tsunade with anything?

[Inuyasha]

Yea I see he just wants things going his shinobi way the way he was brought up knowing that doesnt nessiccerily mean he is evil, i mean think about itachi he experienced war at such a young age and not to mention all the pain and suffering he endured, but even tho he put on a show with his cold darker akatsuki exterior showing hardly any emotions on the inside he was a warm hearted good man with nothing but the best inetentions for young Sasuke

I somewhat agree with you wooster btw Nice job on the first post i can tell it was alot of hard work so Kudos to you

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Yea I see he just wants things going his shinobi way the way he was brought up knowing that doesnt nessiccerily mean he is evil, i mean think about itachi he experienced war at such a young age and not to mention all the pain and suffering he endured, but even tho he put on a show with his cold darker akatsuki exterior showing hardly any emotions on the inside he was a warm hearted good man with nothing but the best inetentions for young Sasuke

I somewhat agree with you wooster btw Nice job on the first post i can tell it was alot of hard work so Kudos to you

Thank you. Much appreciated even if I did this seven months ago.

Yes, Danzo isn't evil only ruthless.

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Thank you. Much appreciated even if I did this seven months ago.

Yes, Danzo isn't evil only ruthless.

lol no prob

and yea he is plus a cranky old man