God doesn't exist... agree or disagree?

[Eeltauy]

Originally Posted by Err

Hmm... it might of been in my God thread which was very similar to this one. That one died a long time ago. Good to see you, I guess. lol

god bless (?! ) that topic then! xD

good too see u too I might say! ^^

[narutosbiggestfan37]

U beleive in the wind dont u? U cant see that but u beleive because u see the effects of it. thats why i beleive in god i see proof of him everywhere around me. and the bible is very sceintifically accuarte. Theres a reason why we suffer now and that will soon end.

[Err]

Originally Posted by narutosbiggestfan37

U beleive in the wind dont u? U cant see that but u beleive because u see the effects of it. thats why i beleive in god i see proof of him everywhere around me. and the bible is very sceintifically accuarte. Theres a reason why we suffer now and that will soon end.

There's one huge difference between God and wind. Wind actually exists and we can prove it. The bible might have true historical facts, but it does not mean miraculous events took place.

So you see your God everywhere. Do you also see your God in the starving children in Africa? Do you see your God when earthquakes kill thousands?

[Eeltauy]

Originally Posted by narutosbiggestfan37

U beleive in the wind dont u? U cant see that but u beleive because u see the effects of it. thats why i beleive in god i see proof of him everywhere around me. and the bible is very sceintifically accuarte. Theres a reason why we suffer now and that will soon end.

I completely agree with Err, but my own answer is...
I can see the wind! you mean you never seen a tornado or gas in the air blowing from somewhere to some place else? even if you don't, there is a logical and defined reason for winds existence and even if I was blind and illiterate enough, not to understand the Scientific reasons, I can feel the wind blowing and sense its existence, but I can't sense god at all! at least not a good one, as many people expect god to be! even if there is such a thing named god, he has too be very dictator, very selfish and way too alone! cause they say he created humans , but he didn't even bother himself ask us that if we want to be created. he just done it on his own cause he thinks of us as toys and pawns and puppets! (even if he do exist, he can't be a perfect one!).

[WindScar22]

You know what, on the topic of God not existing, I remember hearing about a dude who was an avid Atheist and he was so into being an Atheist that he tried to prove that Jesus didn't exist and when he couldn't prove it, he decided to become a Christian. Anyway, as I said before, you have to understand that miracles aren't just miracles. Miracles are something out of the ordinary. A miracle is something that you want to happen that doesn't even have a .000000000000000001% percent chance of happening and it does. My mom had the worst form of placental abruption when she had my last sister and even though they put her out while she was in shock from all of that blood loss, she lived. Her doctor wouldn't get there for four mintues after she got there, and they told him, "We don't have four minutes," so they put her out in shock, which is extremely risky, considering that she might not wake up from the shock. The baby and her were said to have to have blood transfusions and stuff, and they said that the baby would have some defects. My mom and the baby didn't need blood transfusions, and the baby didn't have any defects. My mom litterally died 3 times. She lived. Everyone's fine and dandy. God does that because he loves everyone and because no one else can do it. The reason God doesn't show himself is because he is so mighty that anyone on Earth who saw his face would not be able to stand his extreme almighty gloriness and he doesn't want that to happen to anyone. Also, if you just try to believe, he might show himself, as Christians are more prone to seeing some of his Earthly works as non-Christians don't know what to expect of God and/or are too much of a non-Christian to notice.
Also, if you ask for his help, you can't say that you don't believe in him just because you didn't get what you wanted from him or he didn't do what he said he'd do. He does everything based on his best judgement and what he thinks is best, which is THE best. It may not suit your forte, as in it may not happen the way you want it to happen, but it will, in the way God thinks is best. Sometimes God thinks that saying no to you is the best thing to do as well, and he has the best reasons for that.

[narutosbiggestfan37]

I strongly disagree with both of you. Its not gods fault humans are greedy. theres more than enough food on the earth to feed everyone but ppl dont share or treat others like they should. God isnt stepping in right now to stop that but he will and then no one will be hungry or die anymore. I dont see how anyone could look at creation itself and say there is no god. We are not pawns he created us inhis image he cares about us. I know thats hard to see but he does there are reasons why things are the way they are now. I dont want to fight with u guys thats just how i feel and what i beleive through doing a lot of study

[Err]

Originally Posted by narutosbiggestfan37

I strongly disagree with both of you. Its not gods fault humans are greedy. theres more than enough food on the earth to feed everyone but ppl dont share or treat others like they should. God isnt stepping in right now to stop that but he will and then no one will be hungry or die anymore. I dont see how anyone could look at creation itself and say there is no god. We are not pawns he created us inhis image he cares about us. I know thats hard to see but he does there are reasons why things are the way they are now. I dont want to fight with u guys thats just how i feel and what i beleive through doing a lot of study

This is to both, you and WindScar22.

Both of you are trying for emotional appeal, then you are just speculating. You cannot sway reasoning and facts with what you think God does or will do for us. I have absolutely no reason to believe in this, or any god. Believing that a god cares for us and created us is simply wishful thinking. Until it can be proved that a god exists scientifically, I will not believe in a god. Fun fact: You were born an atheist.

[Eeltauy]

look guys, I will give you an example... you can't see what I'm holding in my hand, but you can imagine that there is something in it and even go further and think that there is something very Valuable in my hand, something that you want and you want it to be there! but it's an illusion! cause you can't be sure! it's just a possibility... there could be nothing in my hand or there could be something (unknown) in it! god is just like that! there could be someone named god, someone merciful, powerful and good, someone that created us and other living or non-living things, but it's just a possibility and the reason that people want god to do exist and be like that is (as I said before) people are weak! so it's your choice to believe or not to believe in god and in my hand! but me... I can't afford to lose everything I have, to believe in something that my or my not exist! even if there is something hiding in my hand, how would you know that it's your most wanted thing (god) or some useless, cheap crap! you can't...

[Kuromaki]

You can't blame god on disasters. That's nature. You also can't blame god on what people do with their free will.

[Eeltauy]

You can't blame god on disasters. That's nature. You also can't blame god on what people do with their free will.

then what's the use of god?!!

[Atheist Kami]

but what if all this world we see...be an illusion?
what if these things are not matter?( i saw your discuss about matter and god!)
what if that way?
then god wont need matter for create matter!
that way...we're in an illusion! aren't we?can you make me out of this sureness of hallucination?

P.s:im not sure! i just think in it at place of a probability!

[itachi_sensei]

well i do belive in god
just read the bible and you will find out that all the prophecies have come true and will come true
its just that you need to know what each symbol means so you could understand
could you understand this

Spoiler:

i saw four angels in the four couners of the earth and they were holding tight the four winds

[itachi_sensei]

plus you must have faith in god

[itachi_sensei]

Originally Posted by narutosbiggestfan37

U beleive in the wind dont u? U cant see that but u beleive because u see the effects of it. thats why i beleive in god i see proof of him everywhere around me. and the bible is very sceintifically accuarte. Theres a reason why we suffer now and that will soon end.

i agree with you

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by Err

This is to both, you and WindScar22.

Both of you are trying for emotional appeal, then you are just speculating. You cannot sway reasoning and facts with what you think God does or will do for us. I have absolutely no reason to believe in this, or any god. Believing that a god cares for us and created us is simply wishful thinking. Until it can be proved that a god exists scientifically, I will not believe in a god. Fun fact: You were born an atheist.

Fun Fact 2: When you were born, you didn't even know what that word means....

Leaving the theatrics aside I just want to say that, being an atheist you are actually a "believer" way beyond the level of a normal "believer". You are ready to accept that life came into existence purely out of chance and you believe and defend it with all you have got. I am not against an atheist or atheism but I just wanted to point out the irony. You believe that there is no creator and all these complex organisms formed through a process of natural selection. The odds of that happening are already considered as "zero probability" event. Which simply means that the chance is so slim that, mathematically it does not exist. And trust me this chance is way slimmer than flipping a coin a million times and getting a head [1/2^(10^6)] every single time. But you still believe that.

[itachi_sensei]

true i totally i agree nice example

[Twilit Lion (Leo)]

haha i have way too many experiences of the impossible happening to believe that god doesn't exist

[Err]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

Fun Fact 2: When you were born, you didn't even know what that word means....

Leaving the theatrics aside I just want to say that, being an atheist you are actually a "believer" way beyond the level of a normal "believer". You are ready to accept that life came into existence purely out of chance and you believe and defend it with all you have got. I am not against an atheist or atheism but I just wanted to point out the irony. You believe that there is no creator and all these complex organisms formed through a process of natural selection. The odds of that happening are already considered as "zero probability" event. Which simply means that the chance is so slim that, mathematically it does not exist. And trust me this chance is way slimmer than flipping a coin a million times and getting a head [1/2^(10^6)] every single time. But you still believe that.

Fun fact: Regardless if you are not aware of the word or not, you were still born an atheist.

There is no irony in it. You are assuming that the belief in supernatural is equal to or less than the belief in science. The two cannot even be compared. You can believe in something stupid for bad reasons, and you can believe in something not stupid for good reasons. Believing in science makes sense because it has given birth to all the technological and medical advancements you see around you today and it is still progressing. Believing in the supernatural does not make sense because it will not create laptops or find cures for diseases, and it will certainly not change no matter how much time passes.

[Twilit Lion (Leo)]

Originally Posted by Err

Fun fact: Regardless if you are not aware of the word or not, you were still born an atheist.

There is no irony in it. You are assuming that the belief in supernatural is equal to or less than the belief in science. The two cannot even be compared. You can believe in something stupid for bad reasons, and you can believe in something not stupid for good reasons. Believing in science makes sense because it has given birth to all the technological and medical advancements you see around you today and it is still progressing. Believing in the supernatural does not make sense because it will not create laptops or find cures for diseases, and it will certainly not change no matter how much time passes.

Ha! Can "science" help someone move someone into a new house at the very and i mean very last second? You'll probably just call this luck though.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Twilit Lion (Leo)

Ha! Can "science" help someone move someone into a new house at the very and i mean very last second? You'll probably just call this luck though.

Going to Mars > God helping you move