Naruto Tier Lists, 1: Hype 2: Feats

[Phoenix Wright]

Great guide. I would have posted earlier but I wanted to see other people's opinions first.

To be honest I barely helped, I just said "Yeah" to NL every time he asked me if he should put someone there unless I truly had an objection.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

We don't know that. Prim Madara could have thing go throw him too.


Minus the moon, and then add to Naruto's side the fact that he is basically is Rikudo in his RS forum plus that he can scenes people's aurora thing

Current Madara is supposed to be a shell of his former self. Onoki was confident Prime Madara could solo the Kage Summit. Plus, during his encounter with Minato he was basically powerless.

RS form is a fan made term. All that is, is Kyuubi control. The Kyuubi's chakra has been stripped from it's will and added to Naruto's chakra and thus combined with Naruto's own will and considering he's a descendant from Rikudou, the chakra most likely takes Rikudou's form because of that. Plus, Rikudou has rinnegan and was the Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Black Shuck: I tried adding the most current versions of characters that we know of so Hiruzen is old like when he died, that's why he's so low.

Thanks for the support everyone

[Black Shuck]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Black Shuck: I tried adding the most current versions of characters that we know of so Hiruzen is old like when he died, that's why he's so low.

Thanks for the support everyone

I think you should mention that in the OP.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by Black Shuck

I think you should mention that in the OP.

Done.

[Yellow Flash]

Post something useless like that again, Zero, and I will infract you.

[Kuromaki]

Great job Nightmare Luffy. Even though you stole my thunder. JK.

Shouldn't Hashirama, and Minato be higher with hype? I'm just sayin, cause I skimmed.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Too lazy to comment on all the details but I have a few objections.

Why is Yoroi above Misumi and Shigure? Yoroi can't stop Shigure from using his Senbon Shower and Chakra Absorption only works if you can grab your opponent, and Misumi can easily restrain him and snap his neck.

Kotetsu and Izumo shouldn't be above Haku, their feats are heavily lacking in power and versatility by comparison and with hype, Haku was supposedly Jonin level and Izumo and Kotetsu are Chunin IIRC. Together, Kotetsu and Izumo can be trouble, but solo, they don't really have any superiority to Haku.

I believe Sakura should be below Kiba and Choji. Kiba can easily use Dual Wolf Fang to kill her and Choji has Super Multi-Size. She isn't on Tayuya's level either, since genjutsu can easily deal with Sakura and the Dokis would overpower her.

Shikamaru should be lower, I don't see how he can take out Kidomaru, who has webs and arrows, or Sakon/Ukon, who can easily invade Shikamaru's body with that Parasite technique, and Shikamaru can't counter him.

The former Ino-Shika-Cho trio should be lower. Even through powerscaling they are basically just more experienced versions of their children. While formidable, they do not deserve to be as high as they are.

There are probably more but that's all I can think of at the moment. Nice job.

[Kuromaki]

'Sit okay if I link your tier list to mine, NL?

Also, I don't really get Zetsu's placement. Yes it's true that he can make clones of others but they can't fight.

[321zigzag3]

Interesting list there NL.

[Phoenix Wright]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Interesting list there NL.

Holy crap! Is that you!? Or just another troll =(

@ Kuro, Imma leave this up to him but I'm sure he wouldn't care >_>

Oh well I didn't read the rest of your post and there are a couple reasons Zetsu is so high.
1, He asked me if we forgot anyone I told him Zetsu and he was pissed and we both agreed we had to do massive renumbering. I did it (figures)
2, We had to do the renumbering and he's placed so high because of the point of the list in general. Kishi's gonna have a lot to do with him in the future.

@Lee discussing your objections in IM at the moment.

[Akatsuki X]

I'm thinking it's a troll Wright. =/

And again, great list I say.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

Too lazy to comment on all the details but I have a few objections.

Why is Yoroi above Misumi and Shigure? Yoroi can't stop Shigure from using his Senbon Shower and Chakra Absorption only works if you can grab your opponent, and Misumi can easily restrain him and snap his neck.

Kotetsu and Izumo shouldn't be above Haku, their feats are heavily lacking in power and versatility by comparison and with hype, Haku was supposedly Jonin level and Izumo and Kotetsu are Chunin IIRC. Together, Kotetsu and Izumo can be trouble, but solo, they don't really have any superiority to Haku.

I believe Sakura should be below Kiba and Choji. Kiba can easily use Dual Wolf Fang to kill her and Choji has Super Multi-Size. She isn't on Tayuya's level either, since genjutsu can easily deal with Sakura and the Dokis would overpower her.

Shikamaru should be lower, I don't see how he can take out Kidomaru, who has webs and arrows, or Sakon/Ukon, who can easily invade Shikamaru's body with that Parasite technique, and Shikamaru can't counter him.

The former Ino-Shika-Cho trio should be lower. Even through powerscaling they are basically just more experienced versions of their children. While formidable, they do not deserve to be as high as they are.

There are probably more but that's all I can think of at the moment. Nice job.

Well I guess Yoroi could be moved down to the other tier.

Haku was never jonin level with hype. If yo're referring to when Zabuza said he was stronger then him I'm sure that was a mistranslation. Plus, all his hype came from the mirrors he'd need a water source too use. Otherwise, he has base genin level speed who Kotetsu and Izumo should be faster through hype.

Not the point of this list. Sakura has been given enough hype to be above Kiba and Choji who are basically treated as your average chuunin at this moment. As for Tayuya, the whole sound 4 were pushed to their limits when dealing with 2 special jonin. Not even real jonins.

Again, not the point of this list. I put Shikamaru up there because he got some good hype in the immortals arc combined with his speed, and strength of his shadow.

They are much stronger then their children and have made jonin unlike their children. Shikaku himself is considered an important part of the village. He was one of the few people who made it to the Hokage selections. I suppose I could put them below Fuu and Torune.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

'Sit okay if I link your tier list to mine, NL?

Also, I don't really get Zetsu's placement. Yes it's true that he can make clones of others but they can't fight.

Sure and Phoenix already explained that part.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Holy crap! Is that you!? Or just another troll =(

@ Kuro, Imma leave this up to him but I'm sure he wouldn't care >_>

Oh well I didn't read the rest of your post and there are a couple reasons Zetsu is so high.
1, He asked me if we forgot anyone I told him Zetsu and he was pissed and we both agreed we had to do massive renumbering. I did it (figures)
2, We had to do the renumbering and he's placed so high because of the point of the list in general. Kishi's gonna have a lot to do with him in the future.

@Lee discussing your objections in IM at the moment.

I am real.
I wonder how long my 2nd dupe will last.

Originally Posted by Akatsuki X

I'm thinking it's a troll Wright. =/

And again, great list I say.

ditto

[Shikamaru Nara]

Shouldn't Shikamaru be under Chuunin?

EDIT: I just read, "Hype" Sorry.

[321zigzag3]

His level of Narutoverse prep time and intelligence demands he is special jounin.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Well I guess Yoroi could be moved down to the other tier.

Haku was never jonin level with hype. If yo're referring to when Zabuza said he was stronger then him I'm sure that was a mistranslation. Plus, all his hype came from the mirrors he'd need a water source too use. Otherwise, he has base genin level speed who Kotetsu and Izumo should be faster through hype.

Not the point of this list. Sakura has been given enough hype to be above Kiba and Choji who are basically treated as your average chuunin at this moment. As for Tayuya, the whole sound 4 were pushed to their limits when dealing with 2 special jonin. Not even real jonins.

Again, not the point of this list. I put Shikamaru up there because he got some good hype in the immortals arc combined with his speed, and strength of his shadow.

They are much stronger then their children and have made jonin unlike their children. Shikaku himself is considered an important part of the village. He was one of the few people who made it to the Hokage selections. I suppose I could put them below Fuu and Torune.

Is there proof it was a mistranslation? Many things could easily have been mistranlsations too if that was the case.

I don't recall anything specifically pointing to Haku requiring a water source for mirrors. It's possible, but not definite.

Let's suppose Izumo and Kotetsu are faster. How do they do anything to Haku? In no way are they going to blitz Haku, they don't have that capability, hype or not. Also, Izumo lacks offensive techniques, and Kotetsu's is close range and heavy, making it hard to use solo.

When has Sakura really been given any decent hype? People say she could surpass Tsunade, but that has been blabbered about really every character about their senseis so that would make the Jonin leaders much lower than they should be.

That's because they used CS1, and also, that was an offscreen fight. For all we know they could have won with no trouble, but they were clearly exhausted, which was most likely from the CS draining their energy.

He didn't do much of anything besides immobilize Hidan while using talk no jutsu (and time always seems to slow down when that happens) and watch Asuma die. Until he was given prep time, he was essentially useless. Immobilizing Hidan for a limited amount of time was all he has been shown to do without prep. That's not much hype, he basically relied on his team leader. Also, his speed was not that impressive.

Stronger than their children yes, but undeserving to be as high up as they are.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

Is there proof it was a mistranslation? Many things could easily have been mistranlsations too if that was the case.

I don't recall anything specifically pointing to Haku requiring a water source for mirrors. It's possible, but not definite.

Let's suppose Izumo and Kotetsu are faster. How do they do anything to Haku? In no way are they going to blitz Haku, they don't have that capability, hype or not. Also, Izumo lacks offensive techniques, and Kotetsu's is close range and heavy, making it hard to use solo.

When has Sakura really been given any decent hype? People say she could surpass Tsunade, but that has been blabbered about really every character about their senseis so that would make the Jonin leaders much lower than they should be.

That's because they used CS1, and also, that was an offscreen fight. For all we know they could have won with no trouble, but they were clearly exhausted, which was most likely from the CS draining their energy.

He didn't do much of anything besides immobilize Hidan while using talk no jutsu (and time always seems to slow down when that happens) and watch Asuma die. Until he was given prep time, he was essentially useless. Immobilizing Hidan for a limited amount of time was all he has been shown to do without prep. That's not much hype, he basically relied on his team leader. Also, his speed was not that impressive.

Stronger than their children yes, but undeserving to be as high up as they are.

Zabuza never said Haku was stronger then him and even if that where the case. Zabuza was on Kakashi's level, Kakashi was on another entire tier then Sasuke. Sasuke was keeping up with Haku. Really, Zabuza was much more stronger that it's so illlogical to think Haku could've been stronger. Get the raws for that page and present it to a translator and I'm pretty sure they'll identify it as well.

Considering Haku's speed he's going to have difficulty doin anything to Chuunin. A lot of the rookies in the chuunin exams weren't even strong enough to be considered for chuunin and Izumo and Kotetsu made it.

In the Sasori fight she was hyped a lot by Chiyo and Sasori himself, then Kiba and Choji haven't gotten any hype at all signifying their all that strong. Then with her sleep bombs and poisoned Kunais she took down Lee and Kiba. Even if by surprise they didn't escape it.

Like I keep saying, this list is based on hype. It doesn't matter if it's offscreen. They were pushed to their limits either way. It seemed to be more then CS draining their energy and I'm pretty sure they used CS2. The sound 4 were never hyped to be anything more then chuunin level, maybe barely special jonin.

Hidan's has like a 5 in stamina and a good score for strength in the databook too so immobilizing him was pretty impressive. Then he dodged Kakuzu's punch and even if his intelligence is treated like a non factor here in the manga it would matter and this is what the list is about not what you seem to be trying to get at.

Certainly better hype then the characters they are under. Plus, the gap seems to be quite high from their children. If we go by that argument Fuu and Torune shouldn't be too high because their basically just more experienced versions of their family.

[SimpleGenin]

i kinda dont agree with oro's placing on this. he has so much going for him. i think he should be above sasori/kakuzu/diedara. considering oro's hype about forbidden jutsus and stuff.. not to mention impureworld summoning. at first i thought he belong right next to jiraiya but considering A/Onoki's hype, i kinda agree oro's below..

otherwise i think this is pretty accurate..

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Zabuza never said Haku was stronger then him and even if that where the case. Zabuza was on Kakashi's level, Kakashi was on another entire tier then Sasuke. Sasuke was keeping up with Haku. Really, Zabuza was much more stronger that it's so illlogical to think Haku could've been stronger. Get the raws for that page and present it to a translator and I'm pretty sure they'll identify it as well.

Considering Haku's speed he's going to have difficulty doin anything to Chuunin. A lot of the rookies in the chuunin exams weren't even strong enough to be considered for chuunin and Izumo and Kotetsu made it.

In the Sasori fight she was hyped a lot by Chiyo and Sasori himself, then Kiba and Choji haven't gotten any hype at all signifying their all that strong. Then with her sleep bombs and poisoned Kunais she took down Lee and Kiba. Even if by surprise they didn't escape it.

Like I keep saying, this list is based on hype. It doesn't matter if it's offscreen. They were pushed to their limits either way. It seemed to be more then CS draining their energy and I'm pretty sure they used CS2. The sound 4 were never hyped to be anything more then chuunin level, maybe barely special jonin.

Hidan's has like a 5 in stamina and a good score for strength in the databook too so immobilizing him was pretty impressive. Then he dodged Kakuzu's punch and even if his intelligence is treated like a non factor here in the manga it would matter and this is what the list is about not what you seem to be trying to get at.

Certainly better hype then the characters they are under. Plus, the gap seems to be quite high from their children. If we go by that argument Fuu and Torune shouldn't be too high because their basically just more experienced versions of their family.

When did I ever say Haku was stronger than Zabuza? IIRC Zabuza may have stated Haku was, it may have been more "talented" because of his Kekkei Genkai, but never did I say that Haku was "stronger than Zabuza". If anything I said that by hype he was stated to be Jonin level, not above.

So in that case, why are Iruka and Mizuki so low? Mizuki and Iruka are both Chunin, so with that logic they should be higher as well. Also, there is absolutely nothing that shows that Izumo and Kotetsu had to face the same competitor levels and challenges that the Part 1 Genin did.

She was not hyped to be as strong, only to be arguably around Tsunade's medicine skill. Medical ninjutsu does not equate to fighting ability. Also, it's a bit difficult to counter when your own freaking ally who you've known for years did a sneak attack on you. If you honestly think that Lee and Kiba are truly below Sakura, then reread the manga, it doesn't matter what hype there is, they are not below her.

No, they said they used CS1, never did they ever mention that they used CS2. Also, it would only prove that they are too low if they did so well against their respective Sasuke Retrieval opponents despite being "pushed to the limit" by the Special Jonins. One of them won solely due to a huge power boost that would have killed him afterward, one won due to plot, and the others were all rescued before being killed themselves.

Stamina doesn't prove anything about resisting Shadow Possession. Also, Kakuzu hasn't demonstrated himself to be such an agile taijutsu user, he may have good reactions but he's not a taijutsu master.

I didn't bother to look at their positions, but they're too high too in fact, although their hype as Danzo's agents is better than Ino-Shika-Cho parents.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

When did I ever say Haku was stronger than Zabuza? IIRC Zabuza may have stated Haku was, it may have been more "talented" because of his Kekkei Genkai, but never did I say that Haku was "stronger than Zabuza". If anything I said that by hype he was stated to be Jonin level, not above.

So in that case, why are Iruka and Mizuki so low? Mizuki and Iruka are both Chunin, so with that logic they should be higher as well. Also, there is absolutely nothing that shows that Izumo and Kotetsu had to face the same competitor levels and challenges that the Part 1 Genin did.

She was not hyped to be as strong, only to be arguably around Tsunade's medicine skill. Medical ninjutsu does not equate to fighting ability. Also, it's a bit difficult to counter when your own freaking ally who you've known for years did a sneak attack on you. If you honestly think that Lee and Kiba are truly below Sakura, then reread the manga, it doesn't matter what hype there is, they are not below her.

No, they said they used CS1, never did they ever mention that they used CS2. Also, it would only prove that they are too low if they did so well against their respective Sasuke Retrieval opponents despite being "pushed to the limit" by the Special Jonins. One of them won solely due to a huge power boost that would have killed him afterward, one won due to plot, and the others were all rescued before being killed themselves.

Stamina doesn't prove anything about resisting Shadow Possession. Also, Kakuzu hasn't demonstrated himself to be such an agile taijutsu user, he may have good reactions but he's not a taijutsu master.

I didn't bother to look at their positions, but they're too high too in fact, although their hype as Danzo's agents is better than Ino-Shika-Cho parents.

Again. Nothing points to him being jonin level when he had trouble against wave arc Sasuke and even then he needs a water source to be effective. Yes, his talent was above Zabuza's, too bad he died before he could use it to become jonin level.

I would've put Iruka and Mizuki higher had they been chuunin later on in the manga and not beaten by chapter 1 Naruto. Kishi retconned Kage Bushin later on and how strong chuunin were. Izumo and Kotetsu have enough hype by being chuunin and in the Zombies arc that puts them against someone who struggled against Wave arc Sasuke and needs a water source.

Yes she's hyped now. Why are you treating this like if it's something you analyze every feat then use that too determine the winner? I made it very clear it wasn't. Going by hype Sakura could beat Lee and Choji in the manga. If you want debate what would happen using the feats in topic pertaining them but like I keep saying this isn't what the is is about. Like you said, "It doesn't matter what hype there is". Clearly, you aren't looking at this list the way I'm talking about.

They had enough time to rest after the fight to regain their chakra back so that shouldn't have been an issue. I'm sure on one on one either of the special jonin would have beat then. Even then, the other characters like Sakura have enough hype to be above them. Also, I don't think you understand. It's not only about if say Tayuya can beat Sakura, but how well they do against other opponents overall.

Yes, that's a factor in resisting the jutsu. Actually, it may have been chakra, but either way it was a factor in resisting the jutsu. Kakuzu has been shown to be one of the better taijutsu masters in the manga. Among Akatsuki only Kisame, Maybe Asura, could beat him in a taijutsu match.

They certainly have better hype then then people below them for the most part and you haven't proved otherwise yet.